Unironic use of the word Omake outside of its proper context. Weeaboo! Weeaboo!
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# ? Jan 9, 2017 09:26 |
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# ? Jun 8, 2024 07:24 |
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For a while it was pretty popular as a term for bonus material for fanfics, but honestly I am pretty sure it fell out of popular usage not long after the 90s.
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# ? Jan 9, 2017 09:30 |
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neongrey posted:For a while it was pretty popular as a term for bonus material for fanfics, but honestly I am pretty sure it fell out of popular usage not long after the 90s. Still common on fanfiction.net and of course on SpaceBattles, which is ahhh weeaboos from shore to shining shore.
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# ? Jan 9, 2017 09:47 |
divabot posted:Still common on fanfiction.net and of course on SpaceBattles, which is ahhh weeaboos from shore to shining shore. Spacebattles actually used to have fairly high standards, back when it was more about the fictional versus debates than the fanfiction (Hollewanderer, who I think is the fanfiction mod, was basically taught fluent English by many of the members, for example). It nosedived sometime around 2005-2006 (the admin team even put up a big WE ARE NOT 4CHAN, STOP POSTING IMAGE MACROS announcement) but it never really recovered. It astounds me that the place still exists, really.
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# ? Jan 9, 2017 09:53 |
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Milky Moor posted:Spacebattles actually used to have fairly high standards, back when it was more about the fictional versus debates than the fanfiction (Hollewanderer, who I think is the fanfiction mod, was basically taught fluent English by many of the members, for example). It nosedived sometime around 2005-2006 (the admin team even put up a big WE ARE NOT 4CHAN, STOP POSTING IMAGE MACROS announcement) but it never really recovered. It astounds me that the place still exists, really. Got revived by Worm, I think. For obscure historical first-mover reasons it became the epicentre of Worm fanfic, and now most of the popular threads on Creative Writing are Worm. The mods hate Worm because the characters are teenagers and the site's ephebophilic weeaboos keep trying to write porn of them. The founder of SB offshoot Sufficient Velocity (which formed when SB's owner was AWOL and the site was literally not working properly) proposed banning Worm fic altogether after one particularly appalling story was put up there.
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# ? Jan 9, 2017 09:58 |
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divabot posted:Still common on fanfiction.net and of course on SpaceBattles, which is ahhh weeaboos from shore to shining shore. Oh yeah, I guess ff.net still exists, huh.
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# ? Jan 9, 2017 10:01 |
divabot posted:(which formed when SB's owner was AWOL and the site was literally not working properly) Happened many times through SB.com history.
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# ? Jan 9, 2017 10:06 |
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Yudkowksy posted:Some other readers have been saying a very silly thing, so let me state the following: It is possible that the human species has gotten through its entire history to date without a single professional editor ever sending back a story with a comment reading "This villain is too strong and needs to be weakened." Please bear this in mind when writing your own stories.
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# ? Jan 9, 2017 10:08 |
Tiggum posted:What the gently caress does this mean? I think he's saying that a professional editor has never told an author that an antagonist is too much of a threat to the protagonist of any given story.
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# ? Jan 9, 2017 10:10 |
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I think this thread needs a constant "how thing actually works IRL vs how Yudkowsky thinks it works" section. Specifically one for the bullying theme, which is wrong on... I don't even know how many levels, but also in general.
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# ? Jan 9, 2017 10:12 |
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Xander77 posted:I think this thread needs a constant "how thing actually works IRL vs how Yudkowsky thinks it works" section. Specifically one for the bullying theme, which is wrong on... I don't even know how many levels, but also in general. There's a post tracking all science stuff that's updated through chapter 14. Please feel free to contribute, the current pace is hard to keep up with. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3702281&pagenumber=32&perpage=40#post449678916 i81icu812 fucked around with this message at 10:19 on Jan 9, 2017 |
# ? Jan 9, 2017 10:15 |
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quote:Are you truly so incapable of understanding your classmates, Potter, or do you dislike them too much to try? If only Yud listened to his side characters when they try to tell him things...
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# ? Jan 9, 2017 15:00 |
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inflatablefish posted:If only Yud listened to his side characters when they try to tell him things... I figure Yud is repeating or paraphrasing things that normal people have said to him in real life with lines like those. Since the main character is the author, they both misunderstand or dismiss the criticism of their behavior or genuinely helpful advice. They both retreat to a fortress of smug when some plebe says something that rattles their worldview.
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# ? Jan 9, 2017 17:26 |
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What was the point of Snape asking about James' bullying and then getting mad when Harriezer answer? He doesn't like that Harry called Lilly a gold digger? I don't understand the point of that conversation.
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# ? Jan 10, 2017 00:36 |
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OctaviusBeaver posted:What was the point of Snape asking about James' bullying and then getting mad when Harriezer answer? He doesn't like that Harry called Lilly a gold digger? I don't understand the point of that conversation. I think Snape just wanted to feed Harry enough info so he would come to the realization that his birth father was tool. It's more painful if it seems like Harry's opinion rather than just being told the guy was a jerk. Classic manipulator poo poo. You're right, Snape is mad. He wasn't expecting Harry to "realize" both his parents were dicks. Snape is upset that a 12 year old dared impugn the honor of his dead creepy obsession-waifu. I expect this is how Yud reacts when things don't go as planned; shutting down, getting angry and lashing out. Like Stephen King said, "write what you know." That's why most of his books are about authors getting run over by vans.
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# ? Jan 10, 2017 08:01 |
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divabot posted:Got revived by Worm, I think. For obscure historical first-mover reasons it became the epicentre of Worm fanfic, and now most of the popular threads on Creative Writing are Worm. The mods hate Worm because the characters are teenagers and the site's ephebophilic weeaboos keep trying to write porn of them. The founder of SB offshoot Sufficient Velocity (which formed when SB's owner was AWOL and the site was literally not working properly) proposed banning Worm fic altogether after one particularly appalling story was put up there. According to a friend of mine, there's a ton of drama snared up in those communities - she said there are a couple space battles splinter boards, and the admin of the one that isn't explicitly pornographic is a way bigger pervert than the one who is. Tiggum posted:What the gently caress does this mean? Yud has previously said that when writing a crossover fanfic you need to match the any powerup in the protagonist with a proportionate power up in the antagonist, because writing is just like RPG Challenge Ratings.
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# ? Jan 10, 2017 11:09 |
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Tunicate posted:According to a friend of mine, there's a ton of drama snared up in those communities - she said there are a couple space battles splinter boards, and the admin of the one that isn't explicitly pornographic is a way bigger pervert than the one who is. This is approximately correct. The explicitly pornographic one is Questionable Questing and if you read it you get everything you deserve (you can't read the NSFW section without being logged in). The other one is Sufficient Velocity, which forked from SB in 2014 when SB was literally not working properly. All three now run XenForo with approximately the same extensions, and the community floats between the three. All three are dominated by Worm fans. The anti-porn rules on SB were originally directed against MLP:FIM fans who just wouldn't loving stop it with the underage porn, and got into iterative exploration of the edges of the rules. This led to the mods going "gently caress it, we're fascists now, we knows it when we sees it" and all the examples in the rules being MLP (though not in the latest iteration). This led to QQ existing. Tunicate posted:Yud has previously said that when writing a crossover fanfic you need to match the any powerup in the protagonist with a proportionate power up in the antagonist, because writing is just like RPG Challenge Ratings. Which is a world of facepalm in Worm, given literally the point is there are three levels of "you are utterly outclassed" (normals < parahumans < endbringers < Scion) and the literary point is how to win well outside your class. So of course there are still fuckwits who bring it up in Worm fanfic.
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# ? Jan 10, 2017 13:05 |
divabot posted:This is approximately correct. The explicitly pornographic one is Questionable Questing and if you read it you get everything you deserve (you can't read the NSFW section without being logged in). The other one is Sufficient Velocity, which forked from SB in 2014 when SB was literally not working properly. All three now run XenForo with approximately the same extensions, and the community floats between the three. All three are dominated by Worm fans. I thought I was going completely mental when I saw that SB.com has, like, upvotes now on posts.
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# ? Jan 10, 2017 13:12 |
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People familiar with this fic know large sections are derivative of Ender's Game, a classic novel about a child genius who is forced into military wargame training. What I recently realized is that the borrowing started last chapter. A major structural feature of Ender's Game is a group of completely psychotic and unreasonable bullies set against the protagonist for unclear reasons. This allows the protagonist to succeed through violent means while remaining sympathetic. Here's a link to a great essay on the subject. Creating the Innocent Killer Chapter 28: Reductionism HPMOR posted:"Okay," Harry said, swallowing. "Okay, Hermione, it's enough, you can stop." This plan is still stupid, but it's at least sweet. Harry is finally using his power to try to help others and do good in the world. Maybe he's learned some compassion and thought for others. quote:Earlier, Harry had very secretly - he hadn't even told Hermione - tried to Transfigure nanotechnology a la Eric Drexler. (He'd tried to produce a desktop nanofactory, of course, not tiny self-replicating assemblers, Harry wasn't insane.) It would have been godhood in a single shot if it'd worked. drat YOU HARRIEZER! Eric Drexler is the guy who first hypothesized grey goo nanobots. One last experiment does succeed in creating carbon nanotubes, but Hermione is unenthusiastic. quote:"Harry, I don't think this is working out." Harriezer, tormenting the one person who will willingly spend time with him in order to become famous faster. He chases her off by acting like a spoiled little monster, then sits down to plan. quote:The wizarding world was tiny, they didn't think like scientists, they didn't know science, they didn't question what they'd grown up with, they hadn't put protective shells on their time machines, they played Quidditch, all of magical Britain was smaller than a small Muggle city, the greatest wizarding school only educated up to the age of seventeen, silly wasn't challenging that at eleven, silly was assuming wizards knew what they were doing and had already exhausted all the low-hanging fruit a scientific polymath would see. This is done so much better in the Arthimancer series. In that story Hermione follows her interests and explores what's possible. None of this petty, patriarchal guff about knowing better than everyone. Harry keeps on with Transfiguration, figuring a modern understanding of particles will offer new avenues. Prepare for a load of SCIENCE to the face. quote:You could only Transfigure whole objects as wholes. You couldn't Transfigure half a match into a needle, you had to Transfigure the whole thing. Back when Harry had been trapped in that classroom by Draco, it had been the reason he couldn't just Transfigure a thin cylindrical cross-section of the walls into sponge, and punch out a chunk of stone large enough for him to fit through the hole. He would have needed to impose a new form on the whole wall, and maybe a whole section of Hogwarts, just in order to change that little cross-section. Hermione bursts back into the room and undoes all their work, having remembered that Transfiguration is supposed to be super dangerous. quote:"Right..." Harry said slowly. "That's probably one of those things they don't even bother telling you not to do because it's too obvious. Don't test brilliant new ideas for Transfiguration by yourselves in an unused classroom without consulting any professors." I bet I know exactly what Harriezer is thinking right now. He's thinking it wasn't the work of others that he studied that helped him succeed, it was his personal devotion to the ideals of Rationalism. That would be a great big Attribution Error right there. Also, timeless physics is the usual kind of speculative bunk that Quantum Physics attracts. Harry now has a third power to abuse to solve all his problems, and it's all based on technobabble nonsense. quote:"All right," Harry said. "How about this. We study, and if I think of anything that seems really worth trying, we'll try it after I ask a professor." These moments of caring really make Harriezer much more awful of a person. He's not a remorseless psychopath who doesn't understand how he's tormenting others. He can be nice. It's that he chooses not to be so much more frequently. Harry actually does go to Minerva and Dumbledore to explain the idea he had and totally didn't already attempt. Minerva's thoughts and words pound over and over how impossible this idea is and how them Duke boys will never make it over that ravine. quote:The two of them started setting up the wards and detection webs. The most important web was the one that checked to make sure no Transfigured material had entered the air. Harry would be enclosed in a separate shell of force with its own air supply just to be certain, only his wand allowed to leave the shield, and the interface tight. They were inside Hogwarts so they couldn't automatically Apparate out any material that showed signs of spontaneous combustion, but they could launch it out a skylight almost as fast, the windows all folded outward for exactly that reason. Harry himself would go out a different skylight at the first sign of trouble. I'm surprised she can tell the difference from his resting smug face. Once again, no fussy old lady is a match for our Boy Genius! They are duly impressed by his success. quote:"Congratulations, Mr. Potter!" said Professor McGonagall, and meant it. She would have bet almost anything against that working. And now Harry is thinking that he's not the first famous eleven year old after all. Harry is allowed to practice with Hermione, but they have to keep this a secret. Now he's keeping a secret from Draco, he's keeping the Wizard Gene a secret from Hermione and Dumbledore - do you see the problem yet? Of course not, as long as Harriezer is at the center of the web all these secrets won't hamper progress at all. quote:Just before Harry left the workroom, with his hand on the doorhandle, the boy turned back and said, "As long as we're here, have either of you noticed anything different about Professor Snape?" Dear god, have one loving ounce of humility and you won't have to keep sniveling about your rash actions later. Harriezer reminds me of the 80s incarnation of Starscream. Always going own about his own power and cleverness and how he should lead, coming up with hare-brained schemes to gain power over others, and then on his knees apologizing when they inevitably fail. For some reason we now have an interlude where a young girl is making googly eyes at Professor Snape. quote:After class, Alissa approached the desk. Part of her wanted to stand there meekly with her face abashed and her hands clasped penitently behind her back, just in case, but some quiet instinct told her this might be a bad idea. So instead she just stood there with her face neutral, in a posture that was very proper for a young lady, and said, "Professor?" That's it - wait, I missed the foreword. quote:This should again go without saying, but views expressed by Severus Snape are not necessarily those of the author. Big Yud would totally get some of that schoolgirl action. Added Space fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Jan 12, 2017 |
# ? Jan 12, 2017 00:26 |
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oh of course he would. anyways the arithmancer really does all this better, but kinda gets boring and goes off the rails in the sequel. I mean I hesitate to use the term Mary Sue, but... that's basically what Hermione turns in to.
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# ? Jan 12, 2017 00:40 |
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Of course, Harry's super transfiguration power works fine with his pop-sci understanding of physics. No need to actually put in the effort learning how to solve the equations (or even to know what the equations are). It's not an isolated incident - later on in the fic he gets another superpower because magic rewards ~rationality~ without requiring him to actually know how to do anything. I think maybe the author has too high an opinion of what rationality can let people do....
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# ? Jan 12, 2017 00:47 |
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EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM BERNIE BOTTS EVERY FLAVOR BEANS INTO MY MOUTH. IT’S GRASS FLAVOR AND PEPPER AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I START DRYHEAVING ALONGSIDE WITH THE CHARACTER ON MY FROG CARD, DUMBLEDORE. I DO EVERY MOVE AND I DO EVERY MOVE HARD. MAKIN WHOOSHING SOUNDS WHEN I SLAM DOWN SOME IMPERIUS CURSE OR EVEN WHEN I MESS UP TECHNIQUE. NOT MANY CAN SAY THEY ESCAPED AZKABAN, THE WORLDS MOST DANGEROUS PRISON. I CAN. I SAY IT AND I SAY IT OUTLOUD EVERYDAY TO PEOPLE IN MY MAGIC CLASS AND ALL THEY DO IS PROVE PEOPLE IN O.W.L. CLASSES CAN STILL BE IMMATURE JEKRS. AND IVE LEARNED ALL THE SPELL LINE AND IVE LEARNED HOW TO MAKE MYSELF AND MY SLEEPING CHAMBER LESS LONELY BY SHOUTING EM ALL. 2 HOURS INCLUDING WIND DOWN EVERY MORNIng
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# ? Jan 12, 2017 00:58 |
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The Iron Rose posted:oh of course he would. I'd mostly disagree. There is an unfortunate block of chapters where the same plot of "Umbridge is a horrible bitch, she changes the rules to mess with the main characters, and Hermione fails at metallurgy" is repeated again and again, but for the most part it's solid. OctaviusBeaver posted:What was the point of Snape asking about James' bullying and then getting mad when Harriezer answer? He doesn't like that Harry called Lilly a gold digger? I don't understand the point of that conversation. I think the point was to make the reader question Snape's loyalty. Something like, "Onoz, he only sided with Dumbledore because he loved Lily, now that love is broken and he'll be evil!" Of course Snape is too smart to listen to a little poo poo like Harriezer. I think that's also why we have this little sidestory about a schoolgirl crush.
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# ? Jan 12, 2017 01:01 |
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Some manner of timeless physics is one of Yud's pet theories, if I recall.
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# ? Jan 12, 2017 01:40 |
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Qwertycoatl posted:Of course, Harry's super transfiguration power works fine with his pop-sci understanding of physics. No need to actually put in the effort learning how to solve the equations (or even to know what the equations are). Yud really, really wants this to be true and so writes a fictional world where it is, I think.
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# ? Jan 12, 2017 01:45 |
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I know fanfic is by definition allowed to change elements of canon but it's worth pointing out that Transfiguration in HPMOR works nothing like it does in the books / movies (including Partial Transfiguration being a thing that happens multiple times).Night10194 posted:Yud really, really wants this to be true and so writes a fictional world where it is, I think. And he latched onto Harry Potter despite having beliefs which are fundamentally at odds with the main moral of the series and despite not reading half the series. He's not a Harry Potter fan, he's a Harry Potter fanfic fan. Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Jan 12, 2017 |
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Qwertycoatl posted:Of course, Harry's super transfiguration power works fine with his pop-sci understanding of physics. No need to actually put in the effort learning how to solve the equations (or even to know what the equations are). I feel compelled to point out that a normal understanding of physics would suggest the molecular mismatches in the partially transfigured object would cause something very weird to happen at the interface between the two materials. Something between the item falling apart and the item exploding due to the steric mismatches, depending on exactly how transfiguration works and what the materials are. Of course this is all foreshadowing for how yud's new superpower will defeat voldemort im sure.
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# ? Jan 12, 2017 01:53 |
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The Iron Rose posted:oh of course he would. You have a weird definition of mary sue.
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# ? Jan 12, 2017 01:53 |
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I think I read the first two books worth of Arithmancer and remember getting annoyed at how Hermione had to be centrally involved in absolutely everything. To me, it fell into the typical fanfic trap where one character overshadows all the other characters, steals their lines, triumphs, etc. Also that recurring joke about her hitting Voldemort in the face sure got old quick.
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# ? Jan 12, 2017 02:11 |
In It For The Tank posted:I think I read the first two books worth of Arithmancer and remember getting annoyed at how Hermione had to be centrally involved in absolutely everything. To me, it fell into the typical fanfic trap where one character overshadows all the other characters, steals their lines, triumphs, etc. Also that recurring joke about her hitting Voldemort in the face sure got old quick. To me, part of the whole point of the Arithmancer is that Hermione probably could have overshadowed Harry a lot more than she ever actually did in the books. It's a retelling where Hermione is the brilliant protagonist, with Harry being her stalwart best friend who's good in a fight and has a prophecy hanging over his head, rather than the reverse. There's a big difference between the 99.999% of fanfics and the tiny percentage that are of at least semi-literary quality in terms of what they're safely able to do to the source material IMO. If you're good enough you can do things like sideline the main character in favor of another and pull it off.
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# ? Jan 12, 2017 02:24 |
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I mean don't get me wrong I still read every update of the Arithmancer and its sequel that I'm forgetting the name of, but it does feel like Hermione kinda overshadows everyone else? Which is half the point, but it gets a little bit grating when she's tutoring Dumbledore and Professor Sinestra. Still millions of times better than this abomination mind you. But I prefer things like Renegade Cause or Starnlicht. Especially the latter, because its portrayal of 1590s Magical Britain is really really unique and really really cool.
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# ? Jan 12, 2017 02:27 |
The Iron Rose posted:I mean don't get me wrong I still read every update of the Arithmancer and its sequel that I'm forgetting the name of, but it does feel like Hermione kinda overshadows everyone else? They aren't modern mathematicians She's learned a lot more from Dumbledore than she's given to him in return. It doesn't feel all that much different to me from the interaction between a prodigious graduate student and their mentor from a slightly different discipline that might happen in real life. Anyway from my understanding timeless physics isn't total hokum. Time isn't really a fundamental property of the universe but an emergent property of object interaction under some fairly well-respected models of quantum physics.
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# ? Jan 12, 2017 02:35 |
Doctor Spaceman posted:I know fanfic is by definition allowed to change elements of canon but it's worth pointing out that Transfiguration in HPMOR works nothing like it does in the books / movies (including Partial Transfiguration being a thing that happens multiple times). I'm trying to dredge up a series of posts I made in, I think, GBS with Crows or Pick about the generational shift in fan works where older fanfic writers would try to change as little as possible whereas the younger generation seems to have no qualms about upending everything and 'fixing' things. Self-Inserts used to be laughed at but now SI AU is a term used by a lot of fanfic writers and you get more writers, like Yud, who openly admit they don't know much, if anything about the universe beyond names and character traits, so they set it in a high school or something. Unfortunately, the posts are all gone, it looks like.
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# ? Jan 12, 2017 03:13 |
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I wasn't around for it but apparently in the early days of internet fanfics there was a shitload of ranma fanfic done by people who hadn't ever seen the original, since there was never an official english release, and lol@downloading anime over dialup.
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# ? Jan 12, 2017 03:29 |
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The section of Harry figuring out partial transfiguration seriously needs to be cut way, way down. I don't mind the concept behind it, but it's too long and there is an obvious flaw. If partial transifguration is impossible for most people for the reason given, the example of the castle wall is dumb and wrong. Any wizard should be able to conceptualise a brick or stone as a single object distinct from the entire wall. That would still leave Harry's new variation as different and useful without completely blowing the concept. And all the technical detail that Yudkowsky included to try to look smart is just tedious to read and unnecessary. You can explain it all conceptually without bringing up quantum physics or the stupid poo poo about Buddhism and living inside your skull. All that does is obfuscate the idea.
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# ? Jan 12, 2017 06:12 |
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Dorotea Senjak is a Black Company reference, which is weird because I didn't think Yud actually read anything prior to writing this story.
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# ? Jan 12, 2017 14:05 |
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Velius posted:Dorotea Senjak You can't fool me fantasy author! I know the name Dorothy Smith when I see it!
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# ? Jan 13, 2017 02:41 |
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I really like The Arithmancer and Lady Archimedes, but my god do I get tired of scenes with her parents or ~~~Septima~~~.
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# ? Jan 13, 2017 04:19 |
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The Arithmancer (and pretty much all of White Squirrel's stuff) is pretty decent but has a lot of scenes that devolve into wanking over how great Hermione is at solving all of everybody's problems and magically making all the bad poo poo that happens in canon not happen by being Smart.
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# ? Jan 13, 2017 04:22 |
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The Shortest Path posted:The Arithmancer (and pretty much all of White Squirrel's stuff) is pretty decent but has a lot of scenes that devolve into wanking over how great Hermione is at solving all of everybody's problems and magically making all the bad poo poo that happens in canon not happen by being Smart. so, this story (and this thread)
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# ? Jan 13, 2017 09:55 |