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I can't really speculate on possible trade scenarios. The Panthers have the entire local press on lock, and they don't really do their negotiating through the press like oh I dunno Dallas, so we don't know what was and wasn't offered. My main point is Gettleman is pretty outspoken about taking whomever the best SPARQ athletes are no matter what. Maybe the collapse this year doesn't happen if they hadn't spent their last two first rounders on depth at their strongest positions. Now again maybe it's unfair because Vernon got turf toe, and maybe Davis is just a strong breeze away from collapse. But maaaaaaaaan this would be a better team with Landon Collins and oh I dunno, Hunter Henry.
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I liked Henry too and I think that was the pick if Vernon didn't fall (as I recall), but it could still be argued that that would have just been depth. Especially since coming out of college he, like Olsen, didn't run block particularly well. I don't know that they could have had both of them on the field at the same time. I'm not as crazy on Shaq either but for some reason I remember that being someone Rivera really pushed for. Not sure that size queen gettleman would have gone all in on an undersized LB.
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nah gettleman loved Shaq because he's an athletic freak who can play 3 or 4 positions. Apparently his SPARQ was average though so uh never mind https://twitter.com/JoshNorris/status/580836065914785793
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Spoeank posted:If the Niners take a QB in the first without trading back I am going to scream and yell and it will be quite upsetting to me. I hope we trade back but I really am not counting on it.
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FizFashizzle posted:nah gettleman loved Shaq because he's an athletic freak who can play 3 or 4 positions. A few things about SPARQ. It's ran by Nike, the actual formula is protected but a fansite deduced that it's a multiplication of five factors, and I believe it docks you significantly if you don't run all the drills or perform poorly on one or more drills. Stands to reason, of course, but sometimes an athlete can still display elite ability even if not all facets of their game are elite. For instance, Shaq ran a 4.64 40, but had a 4.08 shuttle and 6.99 three cone. This mean's he's quick but not fast. Would you rather your linebacker have elite speed or elite agility? I support SPARQ since it's based in sound logic and doesn't weight everything towards the 40 yard dash. It's just that you have to look at the meaning behind the numbers when calculating athleticism for all these formulas that companies and pundits come up with.
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MrSargent posted:I hope we trade back but I really am not counting on it. Who would trade up?
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I just want an offensive tackle. Dont give a poo poo where they go after that but they gotta protect cam. I wouldnt mind seeing a late round h-back type either to give some two tight end set versatility if they can catch worth a poo poo. What am I thinking... shula is a retard.
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FizFashizzle posted:I can't really speculate on possible trade scenarios. The Panthers have the entire local press on lock, and they don't really do their negotiating through the press like oh I dunno Dallas, so we don't know what was and wasn't offered. Thankfully you guys didn't get Collins. I don't like that scenario at all. What ever happened to Funchess? Thought he was supposed to break out this year.
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Really it's just bad luck that the places Carolina had little/no depth (O-line & secondary) got wrecked by injuries while the places with depth (DL, LB, WR) were relatively healthy.
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Carolina's tackles were bad last year. Gettleman overlooked it during the draft. I think they really need to pick up a linebacker soon as well Davis is old and Luke's brain may not hold out much longer.
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No Butt Stuff posted:Who would trade up? I don't think anyone would be dumb enough to move up because it would have to be for a QB. Unless a team just falls in love with a guy...these are teams that are QB needy in my opinion: Bears - really can't see them moving up 1 spot but Barkley is not the answer with Cutler likely gone Jets - Fitz gone, Geno blows, Hack is somehow even worse. Bills - They should keep Taylor but who knows it's the Bills. Browns - They need a lot of pieces and can't see them moving up. Pretty long odds but NFL teams are dumb...then again the 49ers have been leading in that category.
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Carolina's tackles were bad last year. Gettleman overlooked it during the draft. I think they really need to pick up a linebacker soon as well Davis is old and Luke's brain may not hold out much longer. Luke will be fine. Shaq will end up taking davis' spot when hes done. They also have a monster trio of defensive tackles. You could plug any rear end in a top hat in at linebacker and theyd be ok. They need tackle, safety, defensive end and running back help. In that order.
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Safety. Please safety.
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I'm seeing a ton of Cam Robinson would be a huge reach in the top half of the first talk. That disappoints me.
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No Butt Stuff posted:Who would trade up? Jets are the most likely candidate to trade with the Niners (assuming they don't trade up with the Browns).
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Doltos posted:Would you rather your linebacker have elite speed or elite agility? i want it all
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MrLogan posted:Jets are the most likely candidate to trade with the Niners (assuming they don't trade up with the Browns). I would be shocked if the Jets trade up.
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mcmagic posted:I would be shocked if the Jets trade up. He did try to trade up for Laremy Tunsil when he started dropping but the Giants backed out.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Same. Not for a QB he wont. I mean he does have a history of falling in love with terrible QB's so never say never but it seems dumb.
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mcmagic posted:I mean he does have a history of falling in love with terrible QB's so never say never but it seems dumb. This. I suspect the Jets will fall in love with a terrible QB.
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Diva Cupcake posted:I'm seeing a ton of Cam Robinson would be a huge reach in the top half of the first talk. That disappoints me. I know. He had one bad NCG game, and not even bad considering how elite that front seven of Clemson is. He spent all year perfectly handling top tier DEs and DTs like they were kids. I still have him pegged as an early candidate for the best player in the draft. An award I like to call the Leonard Williams Award in honor of a man who unfortunately went 6th overall to the New York Jets despite clearly being the best prospect in the draft.
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MrLogan posted:This. I suspect the Jets will fall in love with a terrible QB. Are they falling in love with Christian Hackenberg again? Doltos posted:I know. He had one bad NCG game, and not even bad considering how elite that front seven of Clemson is. He spent all year perfectly handling top tier DEs and DTs like they were kids. I still have him pegged as an early candidate for the best player in the draft. An award I like to call the Leonard Williams Award in honor of a man who unfortunately went 6th overall to the New York Jets despite clearly being the best prospect in the draft. I think there were only 2 other teams ahead of the Jets who could have drafted him and those teams were the Jags and Redskins. Wiccan Wasteland fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Jan 13, 2017 |
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I genuinely don't think Hackenberg is on an NFL roster next season. NFL GMs generally have a hard time accepting when their players should become sunk costs, but the chatter around him seems exceptional.
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fsif posted:I genuinely don't think Hackenberg is on an NFL roster next season. NFL GMs generally have a hard time accepting when their players should become sunk costs, but the chatter around him seems exceptional. He'll be the Jets 3rd stringer next year. he's probably out of the league by 18.
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BlindSite posted:Luke will be fine. Shaq will end up taking davis' spot when hes done. I meant that the OT's were bad in 2015 and if I'm not mistaken Gettleman still extended them despite it.
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Doltos posted:I know. He had one bad NCG game, and not even bad considering how elite that front seven of Clemson is. He spent all year perfectly handling top tier DEs and DTs like they were kids. I still have him pegged as an early candidate for the best player in the draft. An award I like to call the Leonard Williams Award in honor of a man who unfortunately went 6th overall to the New York Jets despite clearly being the best prospect in the draft. Is he a LT or RT in the NFL? Isn't there a lot of chatter that he'll be an RT at the next level. That'll impact his stock for sure.
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Ches Neckbeard posted:I meant that the OT's were bad in 2015 and if I'm not mistaken Gettleman still extended them despite it. He extended Oher to a reasonable contract after he performed very well in run blocking. Can't really blame gettleman that ohers brain won't stop bleeding.
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Even remmers was mostly serviceable for a lot of the year. Of course he had a few atrocious games but overall he was better than you'd expect him to be.
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Sataere posted:Is he a LT or RT in the NFL? Isn't there a lot of chatter that he'll be an RT at the next level. That'll impact his stock for sure. LT for sure. Wiccan Wasteland posted:I think there were only 2 other teams ahead of the Jets who could have drafted him and those teams were the Jags and Redskins. Of course, the award simply exists for the consensus #1 who isn't picked #1. It's not awarded every year either.
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Which QB has a chance of dropping to 25 for the Texans? Brad Kaaya?
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Man that dropped TD was the turning point
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Amy Pole Her posted:Man that dropped TD was the turning point Which one? 
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Kirios posted:Which QB has a chance of dropping to 25 for the Texans? Brad Kaaya? Hard to tell before the combine because some small school QB puts in a great workout and climbs while thinly coded assessments about "mobile" QB's make them drop. In short, yeah, Kaaya will probably be available there.
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I thought the Texans best plan was draft a QB somewhere in the middle rounds, 2-4 or so depending on who you see, as the clear backup, and if they outplay Brock in the preseason or after a few games of Brock sucking, put them in. That last throw was so bad that man... maybe 25th overall is okay.
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Kirios posted:Which QB has a chance of dropping to 25 for the Texans? Brad Kaaya? Don't get your hopes up man, just don't
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Dude I would be a-OK with Kaaya at 25. I've kind of liked him all year.
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zimbomonkey posted:Even remmers was mostly serviceable for a lot of the year. Of course he had a few atrocious games but overall he was better than you'd expect him to be. I think i supress those performances because the obvious issue is shula who we're stuck with forever. Well until the team implodes again and the big cat fires everyone and we have to rebuild again.
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Honestly I wouldn't even mind taking someone like Nathan Peterman in the 2nd or 3rd. He kind of reminds me of Kirk Cousins coming out.
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