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I would blow Dane Cook posted:EVERY Australian would be forced to apply for an identity card – unlocked by their fingerprint – under Pauline Hanson’s plan to crackdown on welfare fraud. How is Family Tax Benefit a form of welfare? I support 5 people on one persons salary. I don't see it as welfare, simply a refund for supporting people out of my own sweat. Also, how does a card prevent fraud? Fraud is caused by lying, cards can't detect liars.
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Konomex posted:How is Family Tax Benefit a form of welfare? I support 5 people on one persons salary. I don't see it as welfare, simply a refund for supporting people out of my own sweat. Its a school of thought, coming from the idea that its "your fault" for being in that position in the first place, and it conveniently ignores social benefit/obligation.
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Konomex posted:How is Family Tax Benefit a form of welfare? I support 5 people on one persons salary. I don't see it as welfare, simply a refund for supporting people out of my own sweat. Because "god drat breeder parasites sucking at mah tax dollars". "Supporting 5 people on one salary is a lifestyle choice. Get a job that pays better." mentality. etc etc
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Anidav posted:Only internal polls are happening at the moment. Galaxy and Newspoll usually come back in February. Queensland is only good when it has an authoritarian premier running the place. It makes the rest of Australia feel good. I would blow Dane Cook posted:EVERY Australian would be forced to apply for an identity card – unlocked by their fingerprint – under Pauline Hanson’s plan to crackdown on welfare fraud. Oh wait, it's just more bashing of the poor and underclass, party on Pauline.
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Jan 12, 2017 22:13
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You have to admit, having a single identifier for all government services would be an efficiency.
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Jan 12, 2017 22:57
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Doesn't MyGov basically do that?
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open24hours posted:Doesn't MyGov basically do that? Yes but not everyone has easy access to the internet
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Jan 12, 2017 23:40
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If only we had some sort of national internetwork available.
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Jan 12, 2017 23:52
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IMO at this rate people on welfare will be required to wear badges identifying them as leaners in 6 months.
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I look forward to the day that Australian of the Year awards go to whoever tops the Annual National Lifters index.
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Magog posted:IMO at this rate people on welfare will be required to wear badges identifying them as leaners in 6 months. badges can be removed, tattoo's on their forearms imo
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quote:One Nation leader Pauline Hanson has sidestepped talk about a preference deal with the Liberal National Party at the upcoming Queensland election, saying she's confident the party can win government in its own right. False alarm someone hosed up negotiations it seems. Good luck LNP Lmao.
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Anidav posted:False alarm someone hosed up negotiations it seems. more like good luck queensland you inbred loving hicks
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ewe2 posted:the word from on high today is forbidding actual people helping with it DATA-MATCHING PROGRAM (ASSISTANCE AND TAX) ACT 1990 - SECT 11 posted:(1) Subject to subsections (1A), (1B) and (4), where, solely or partly because of information given in Step 1, 4 or 6 of a data matching cycle, an assistance agency considers taking action: welp
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Actually Queensland is the Canary in the mine showing where the rest of Australia is heading so good luck to all of you
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Night Shade posted:welp The data matching act only covers where a TFN is used for matching, though- Centrelink does a ton of matching just using personal identifiers like name and DOB. Chances are this new debt stuff isn't under that legislation.
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open24hours posted:Doesn't MyGov basically do that?
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Anidav posted:Actually Queensland is the Canary in the mine showing where the rest of Australia is heading so good luck to all of you lol nope. Nice try though.
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You Am I posted:lol nope. Nice try though. Buh buh buh *holds back tears* Brisbane Strong!
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Night Shade posted:welp Precisely. Can't have a paper trail that contradicts the narrative. First rule of bureaucracy: CYA. But ordering people to do the opposite is breaking the law, as if that matters to a Liberal Minister these days. Resident Idiot posted:The data matching act only covers where a TFN is used for matching, though- Centrelink does a ton of matching just using personal identifiers like name and DOB. Chances are this new debt stuff isn't under that legislation. Technically its regulation which doesn't have to reference the Act, but doesn't mean it's not subject to it. You can't simply write different regulations and contradict an Act. Mr Chips posted:That's the obvious role for it, but it doesn't do that very well at all. If you have variations of your name with different departments, you can't link services without first individually contacting each department to update your name. Ideally, MyGov would be the identity provider that does this for you. (And for extra fun, once you've given the ATO, centrelink etc the same name, you'll need to unlink and re-link each service with mygov to update the name that these services provide mygov.) I had to get my doctor's help to finally get access to my eHealth record and link it. Turns out they tried to fit my address all into a couple of lines and it got cut off part way. So I could never satisfy their proof of identity. This is the kind of broken poo poo everyone's dealing with. ewe2 fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Jan 13, 2017 |
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ewe2 posted:Precisely. Can't have a paper trail that contradicts the narrative. First rule of bureaucracy: CYA. But ordering people to do the opposite is breaking the law, as if that matters to a Liberal Minister these days. I never was able to link centrelink to mygov because it claimed my name was wrong 
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I had to get my Medicare linking sorted out recently. I've had my short name registered with Medicare for as long as I can remember because the full version doesn't fit on the card.Resident Idiot posted:The data matching act only covers where a TFN is used for matching, though- Centrelink does a ton of matching just using personal identifiers like name and DOB. Chances are this new debt stuff isn't under that legislation. I figured I was missing something  ewe2 posted:Technically its regulation which doesn't have to reference the Act, but doesn't mean it's not subject to it. You can't simply write different regulations and contradict an Act. Yeah but sadly if they are explicitly not matching on TFNs then this isn't subject to that Act. Anyone know what they're actually matching on for this dragnet?
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If the MyGov experience wasn't a cautionary lesson in how poo poo government data matching is at present then nothing would convince you of it's crappeditude. Also note how the process is to sell the debt to private enterprise at the earliest opportunity. Ladies and gentlemen (and others) the LNP! Shitlords of private enterprise.
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ewe2 posted:
Well, you can if the legislation doesn't apply to what you're doing. The data matching act only applies to some fairly specific work, not matching between Centrelink and other departments generally - general data matching like this (and the usual matching with tax declaration forms) is done under the Privacy Commissioner's guidelines here: https://www.oaic.gov.au/privacy-law/other-legislation/government-data-matching Whether *those* rules are being applied I have no idea. [Edit: those are voluntary guidelines but I'd expect they're intended to be applied in cases like this] Resident Idiot fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Jan 13, 2017 |
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Queensland State MP Steve Dickson has left the LNP for PHON.
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adamantium|wang posted:Queensland State MP Steve Dickson has left the LNP for PHON. lol, member for Buderim e: also I wonder if this will accelerate the inevitable merger of LNP with PHON The Before Times fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Jan 13, 2017 |
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adamantium|wang posted:Queensland State MP Steve Dickson has left the LNP for PHON. This state election is gonna kill me.
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I was a bit worried since I had dramas with Centrelink a few years ago while I was studying. Logged into MyGov and the service isn't linked and I've long since forgotten my Centrelink login details. Guess I'll know something's up if they try sending letters to a house I lived in several moves ago, don't get a response, and send hired goons to track me down.
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DancingShade posted:Because "god drat breeder parasites sucking at mah tax dollars". Yeah, but they're not 'your' tax dollars. They're my tax dollars being given back to me, literally. And I still pay a butt load of money to pensioners for some reason, because 'saving for my own future' isn't their responsibility? The government had to do it, but then they didn't have the good grace to die when the government thought they would.
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You know what I love the best about mygov? The way it randomly doesn't work at times!
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Konomex posted:Yeah, but they're not 'your' tax dollars. They're my tax dollars being given back to me, literally. And I still pay a butt load of money to pensioners for some reason, because 'saving for my own future' isn't their responsibility? The government had to do it, but then they didn't have the good grace to die when the government thought they would. agreed, the only good welfare is my welfare.
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quote:My reasons for charter flights along capital city routes were legitimate: Sussan Ley http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...112-gtqq2w.html
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Mr Chips posted:That's the obvious role for it, but it doesn't do that very well at all. If you have variations of your name with different departments, you can't link services without first individually contacting each department to update your name. Ideally, MyGov would be the identity provider that does this for you. (And for extra fun, once you've given the ATO, centrelink etc the same name, you'll need to unlink and re-link each service with mygov to update the name that these services provide mygov.) Yeah names can be fun. "Oh I'm sorry we can't do this for you because your license says <first> <middle> <last> whereas we have you down as <first> <last>." loving...
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I don't see why they don't get all this stuff sorted out at the same time they issue birth certificates. Could register people to vote too.
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Cartoon posted:Also note how the process is to sell the debt to private enterprise at the earliest opportunity. It's agile, disruptive and innovative.
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https://twitter.com/7NewsQueensland/status/819733542552801282
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Higsian posted:Yeah names can be fun. "Oh I'm sorry we can't do this for you because your license says <first> <middle> <last> whereas we have you down as <first> <last>." loving... Western Union hosed me over with this. They didnt bother to enter my middle name when the funds were sent, so that when I rocked up with my passport to claim the money, they said they couldnt release it. Pissed me right off.
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In the event that someone had to completely resign (unlikely, they will all defend each other over this to protect themselves) how is that period waiting for a new member to be elected handled? In situations like now when the government only has a super slim majority I assume there is some system in place to stop them getting defeated in votes in the time between an MP resigning and their replacement entering parliament.
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There has long been tension between often white, more affluent feminists calling for greater police powers, greater state intervention and incarceration as a primary response to the issue of violence against women, and those feminists that recognise the police, state intervention and incarceration as sources of violence themselves. Disproportionately, this is violence against Aboriginal people, as well as against poorer people, people of colour, queer people, and other marginalised groups. Carceral feminism represents a critical misunderstanding of the real-world consequences of deploying the police; that they do not serve to ‘protect’. Ms Dhu was 22 years old when she died in custody in August 2014, in excruciating pain, after being repeatedly refused medical treatment. She had been held in custody for two days, after being arrested for unpaid fines. According to a March 2016 ABC article, a Senior Constable testified in relation to this death that Sergeant Rick Bond told her Ms Dhu was a junkie who was faking illness; Sergeant Bond was frustrated and she wanted to appease him because "his word was law" and he was known to "verbally attack" people who questioned him. This is not a case of ‘one bad apple’ - the police as an institution is harmful and violent; violence against minorities is business-as-usual, not an outlier. Ms Dhu’s case is just one tragic case out of numerous deaths in custody, overwhelmingly of Indigenous people. Given the numerous instances of police violence towards women, it is dangerously wrong for carceral feminists to promote incarceration and state intervention as solutions to violence against women. As Victoria Law writes, “Casting policing and prisons as the solution to domestic violence both justifies increases to police and prison budgets and diverts attention from the cuts to programs that enable survivors to escape, such as shelters, public housing, and welfare. Positioning police and prisons as the principal antidote discourages seeking other responses, including community interventions and long-term organising.” To use an example from NSW, while already underfunded rape & domestic violence frontline services, women’s shelters and community legal centres - some of the primary free services in the areas of domestic violence and family law - are facing massive funding cuts, the NSW Government is pouring billions of dollars into new prison projects, which will undoubtedly increase and perpetuate instances of violence. Violence against women is an immense and serious problem, but greater state intervention is neither the appropriate nor the non-violent response.
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Is that in response to anything in particular? Are there seriously feminists out there who push a tough-on-crime approach as a singular solution to domestic violence?
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