Schadenfreude Thread: What did they think would happen?

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Megillah Gorilla: Sep 22, 2003; If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.; Bread Liar

ranbo das posted:

It's amazing how many people who totally aren't into hate speech are mad at hate speech laws :thinking:

In Australia our born-to-rule party is currently trying to weaken our hate speach laws because, to quote Attorney-General Senator George Brandis, "Australians have a right to be bigots".

In truth, they just hate the idea that, as wealthy white men, anyone would loving dare to tell them they can't do something, even if that's hating on the gays or the browns.

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ekuNNN: Nov 27, 2004; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

# ? Jan 13, 2017 03:31

Bates: Jun 15, 2006

oldpainless posted:

Passing laws that prohibit hate speech will cut down on hate speech and the negative baggage that goes along with it just like outlawing murder has meant there have been no recorded murders for the last 25 years.

It's subjective what is or isn't hate speech and it will inevitably be defined by the majority. Lots of Christians get mad if you mock religion - the pope even said assault was an understandable reaction to it. The same people are A-OK with preachers saying people of other faiths or the irreligious are amoral and deserve to be tortured in eternity. It's not not hateful at all, just central to their beliefs.

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Snowglobe of Doom: Mar 30, 2012; sucks to be right

Gorilla Salad posted:

In Australia our born-to-rule party is currently trying to weaken our hate speach laws because, to quote Attorney-General Senator George Brandis, "Australians have a right to be bigots".

In truth, they just hate the idea that, as wealthy white men, anyone would loving dare to tell them they can't do something, even if that's hating on the gays or the browns.

But it did give us the hilarious case where an Australian politician tried to prove that the laws were dumb and vexatious and a waste of time when he got angry at a journalist calling him an angry white male so he tried to sue her under the hate crime laws to prove his point and the case got thrown out before going to trial, proving that the laws actually had robust checks and balances which weeded out lovely pointless complaints.
He responded by saying that the Human Rights Commission which had rejected his claim didn't understand the law. :nallears:

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Warm und Fuzzy: Jun 20, 2006

FuhrerHat posted:

MRW Shelly Duvall grinds on me

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canyoneer: Sep 13, 2005; I only have canyoneyes for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2jMKjjowhM

Two Australian news ladies fight about how one of them should wear a jacket.

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marshmallow creep: Dec 10, 2008; I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me

Phanatic posted:

It's cute that you think hate speech laws are about protecting the powerless. They're not. Let's take a look at what hate speech laws are actually used for.

1. Poland convicted a heavy metal musician for ripping up a Bible onstage. They also fined another musician over $1,000 for merely "offending religious feelings."
2. Coptic Christians in Egypt are routinely punished for violating that nation's laws prohibiting 'defamation against religion.'
3. Turkey routinely tries people for "insulting religious values."
4. The story of Pussy Riot in Russia is well-known.
5. This dude in Belgium was jailed for 4 months for ripping up a Koran.
6. Kenya uses its hate speech laws to selectively prosecute people who criticize powerful politicians.
7. The UK has arrested teenagers for things like angrily denouncing British military involvement in Afghanistan: "he didn�t make his point very well and that is why he has landed himself in bother," said the cops. What a surprise that that country's hate speech laws are so frequently used against Muslims.
8. France (where it's illegal for Muslims to wear headscarves, by the way, and the ECHR has upheld that law when it was challenged), treats anti-Semitic hate speech very different than it treats anti-Muslim hate speech. I wonder why that is.

Get into a rent dispute with your landlord in Pakistan? He might just report you to the authorities for hate speech at which point you enter a world of poo poo. Anger a local politician over some trivial bullshit? Hope you've never said anything in front of witnesses that he can go after you for. These laws don't have anything to do with preventing genocide. They're about giving the powerful another tool to selectively persecute their enemies. When you stand up to defend hate speech laws, do you really understand what you're supporting and what you suggest America should abandon?

By the way, true threats are unprotected speech in the US, as is speech that is intended to and likely to incite an immediate breech of the peace.

I just want to say that I really like your posts.

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GolfHole: Feb 26, 2004

FuhrerHat posted:

In case someone misses it, look at the drink.

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FCKGW: May 21, 2006

RareAcumen posted:

this is the perfect goatkcd

:nws:

https://goatkcd.com/1357/ :nws:

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Some of the Sheep: May 25, 2005; POSSIBLY IT WOULD BE SIMPLER IF I ASKED FOR A LIST OF THE HARMLESS CREATURES OF THE AFORESAID CONTINENT?

FuhrerHat posted:

In case someone misses it, look at the drink.

Holy poo poo, she nearly spilled her drink!

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ekuNNN: Nov 27, 2004; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

marshmallow creep posted:

I just want to say that I really like your posts.

I just want to say that his posts are bad, and he should feel bad.

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canyoneer: Sep 13, 2005; I only have canyoneyes for you

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fullroundaction: Apr 20, 2007; Drink beer every day

FCKGW posted:

this is the perfect goatkcd

Every goatkcd is perfect

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Bunni-kat: May 25, 2010; Service Desk B-b-bunny...
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I loving love hate speech talk, because people are "criminalizing ideas arglebargle". Canadian hate speech laws don't outlaw ideas, because, if I was a lovely person I can still say "I hate Chinks, they're ruining the country," for example. The line is crossed then I say to people, "Hey, those Gypsies over there steal everything, including kids, we should kill them." It's the incitement to cause the actions of others that makes it hate speech." It's a two-part test. The hatred, then the incitement.

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U.T. Raptor: May 11, 2010; Are you a pack of imbeciles!?

ekuNNN posted:

That cat flying headlong into a chair... it's Multifreude :allears:

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Snowglobe of Doom: Mar 30, 2012; sucks to be right

Let's gently caress poo poo up!

http://i.imgur.com/S9vlf78.gifv

Oh no, there was a security camera! Don't worry, I know what to do ...

http://i.imgur.com/uE32p2w.gifv

The perfect crime!!!!

quote:

They were arrested yesterday and fined with 1500 euros each.

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Proteus Jones: Feb 28, 2013

Avenging_Mikon posted:

I loving love hate speech talk, because people are "criminalizing ideas arglebargle". Canadian hate speech laws don't outlaw ideas, because, if I was a lovely person I can still say "I hate Chinks, they're ruining the country," for example. The line is crossed then I say to people, "Hey, those Gypsies over there steal everything, including kids, we should kill them." It's the incitement to cause the actions of others that makes it hate speech." It's a two-part test. The hatred, then the incitement.

There are very narrow exceptions to freedom of speech, and incitement is already one of them. And if it's motivated by race/religion/sexual orientation it's also gets classified a hate crime.

I guess there may be a misunderstanding of the phrase "hate speech". In the US I'd consider racist speech, homophobic speech, and holocaust denial as "hate speech". Repugnant, but not illegal. Incitement however is different legally in the US and is real crime that does get prosecuted.

However, the case does have to pass the Brandenburg Test to be considered a crime. It must be intended, likely and imminent.

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RareAcumen: Dec 28, 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOeVQzOtN70

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Woodburger: Dec 5, 2004; ...Like a thousand other commanders on a thousand other battlefields, I wait for the dawn.

Phanatic posted:

It's cute that you think hate speech laws are about protecting the powerless. They're not. Let's take a look at what hate speech laws are actually used for.

1. Poland convicted a heavy metal musician for ripping up a Bible onstage. They also fined another musician over $1,000 for merely "offending religious feelings."
2. Coptic Christians in Egypt are routinely punished for violating that nation's laws prohibiting 'defamation against religion.'
3. Turkey routinely tries people for "insulting religious values."
4. The story of Pussy Riot in Russia is well-known.
5. This dude in Belgium was jailed for 4 months for ripping up a Koran.
6. Kenya uses its hate speech laws to selectively prosecute people who criticize powerful politicians.
7. The UK has arrested teenagers for things like angrily denouncing British military involvement in Afghanistan: "he didn�t make his point very well and that is why he has landed himself in bother," said the cops. What a surprise that that country's hate speech laws are so frequently used against Muslims.
8. France (where it's illegal for Muslims to wear headscarves, by the way, and the ECHR has upheld that law when it was challenged), treats anti-Semitic hate speech very different than it treats anti-Muslim hate speech. I wonder why that is.

Get into a rent dispute with your landlord in Pakistan? He might just report you to the authorities for hate speech at which point you enter a world of poo poo. Anger a local politician over some trivial bullshit? Hope you've never said anything in front of witnesses that he can go after you for. These laws don't have anything to do with preventing genocide. They're about giving the powerful another tool to selectively persecute their enemies. When you stand up to defend hate speech laws, do you really understand what you're supporting and what you suggest America should abandon?

By the way, true threats are unprotected speech in the US, as is speech that is intended to and likely to incite an immediate breech of the peace.

lol i've never put someone on ignore before.

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Andrast: Apr 21, 2010

Anybody who has posted about free speech in the last few pages is a terrible poster

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syscall girl: Nov 7, 2009; by FactsAreUseless; Fun Shoe

fullroundaction posted:

Every goatkcd is perfect

It's weird how that works out

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Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
sl�gt skal f�lge sl�gters gang

lmao wtf is wrong with america's lack of free speech? you can't threaten someone & you can't yell fire in a crowded theatre & you can't lie in court

this is bullshit

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Stex T: Mar 7, 2005; Shut the fuck up and get out. Have fun being a slave of the rich and powerful.

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your friend a dog: Nov 2, 2016; by Nyc_Tattoo

Woodburger posted:

lol i've never put someone on ignore before.

*person gives counter examples in a debate*

"Haha, nice troll. Welcome to my ignore list"

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bossy lady: Jul 9, 1983

Stex T posted:

Why does LA have more football teams than airports?

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du -hast: Mar 12, 2003; BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT GENTOO

bossy lady posted:

Why does LA have more football teams than airports?

It doesn't? There's Burbank, SaMo, LAX, Ontario, and like 10 more.

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Platystemon: Feb 13, 2012; BREADS

du -hast posted:

It doesn't? There's Burbank, SaMo, LAX, Ontario, and like 10 more.

If you get to count those dinky things, I get to count college teams.

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Railing Kill: Nov 14, 2008; You are the first crack in the sheer face of god. From you it will spread.

Phanatic posted:

It's cute that you think hate speech laws are about protecting the powerless. They're not. Let's take a look at what hate speech laws are actually used for.

1. Poland convicted a heavy metal musician for ripping up a Bible onstage. They also fined another musician over $1,000 for merely "offending religious feelings."
2. Coptic Christians in Egypt are routinely punished for violating that nation's laws prohibiting 'defamation against religion.'
3. Turkey routinely tries people for "insulting religious values."
4. The story of Pussy Riot in Russia is well-known.
5. This dude in Belgium was jailed for 4 months for ripping up a Koran.
6. Kenya uses its hate speech laws to selectively prosecute people who criticize powerful politicians.
7. The UK has arrested teenagers for things like angrily denouncing British military involvement in Afghanistan: "he didn�t make his point very well and that is why he has landed himself in bother," said the cops. What a surprise that that country's hate speech laws are so frequently used against Muslims.
8. France (where it's illegal for Muslims to wear headscarves, by the way, and the ECHR has upheld that law when it was challenged), treats anti-Semitic hate speech very different than it treats anti-Muslim hate speech. I wonder why that is.

Get into a rent dispute with your landlord in Pakistan? He might just report you to the authorities for hate speech at which point you enter a world of poo poo. Anger a local politician over some trivial bullshit? Hope you've never said anything in front of witnesses that he can go after you for. These laws don't have anything to do with preventing genocide. They're about giving the powerful another tool to selectively persecute their enemies. When you stand up to defend hate speech laws, do you really understand what you're supporting and what you suggest America should abandon?

By the way, true threats are unprotected speech in the US, as is speech that is intended to and likely to incite an immediate breech of the peace.

Those are good examples, but the application of hate speech laws isn't binary. It's not like they're only used to persecute people. Just because they can do that doesn't mean they can't also be used to protect innocent people. If anything, these examples are evidence that we might need hate speech laws, but heavily-regulated use of them. (And also impartial, independent judiciaries, which a lot of these examples glaring lack).

But I don't want to contribute any more to this boring derail, so here's some children getting hurt:

...And a baby being traumatized:

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Solice Kirsk: Jun 1, 2004; .

bossy lady posted:

Why does LA have more football teams than airports?

Because we need to see two teams struggle financially for 10-15 years before they move from LA. Just like the last time they tried this.

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Dr. Phildo: Dec 8, 2003; Except the heaven had come so near,
So seemed to choose my door,The distance would not haunt me so; Soiled Meat

bossy lady posted:

Why does LA have more football teams than airports?

I don't know, why does LA have more football teams than airports?

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Gynocentric Regime: Jun 9, 2010; by Cyrano4747

Solice Kirsk posted:

Because we need to see two teams struggle financially for 10-15 years before they move from LA. Just like the last time they tried this.

I know the NFL is just salivating to get money out of that media market but LA is just not a football town, and they should know it by now.

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ElGroucho: Nov 1, 2005; We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane; Fun Shoe

FuhrerHat posted:

He was doing so good too

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Flash Gordon Ramsay: Sep 28, 2004; Grimey Drawer

Serves him right for having that stupid chin beard

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mcbexx: Jul 4, 2004; British dentistry is
not on trial here!

Poor thing...
It got cut out by a forest ranger and is now serving as a warning display for humans (and maybe some really clever animals) to not go out on a frozen river.

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Basebf555: Feb 29, 2008; The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!; Fun Shoe

Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:

Serves him right for having that stupid chin beard

Chin beards are cool when you're like 19 or 20 and its impossible to convince a dude around that age otherwise. Trust me, a lot of my family members tried.

I say family and not friends because like 80% of my male friends had that stupid thing.

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Outrail: Jan 4, 2009; www.sapphicrobotica.com

mcbexx posted:

Poor thing...
It got cut out by a forest ranger and is now serving as a warning display for humans (and maybe some really clever animals) to not go out on a frozen river.

Is that a boar? Dog?

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Skippy McPants: Mar 19, 2009

Looks like a fox.

I wonder what the warning sign hanging off the back half says.

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Stringbean: Aug 6, 2010

Outrail posted:

Is that a boar? Dog?

Fox

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Dick Trauma: Nov 30, 2007; God damn it, you've got to be kind.

Skippy McPants posted:

Looks like a fox.

I wonder what the warning sign hanging off the back half says.

SEND HEL

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Some of the Sheep posted:

This is an argument for free speech. If everyone's trapped inside their own heads because discussion is illegal, then there's no way those lovely beliefs will ever be challenged or changed.

you aren't going to change a racists mind just like the guy pointing out the westboro guy was breaking gods law wont change the westboro guy's mind. hate speech laws are used lovely in some countries as you pointed out but those are more letter of the law vs spirit of the law issues. I would rather have hate speech laws so when some racist / homophobic gently caress says some racist / homophobic poo poo that he can be locked up before he burns down a church or lynches a teenager.

not that we have been perfect with our hate speech laws for example this case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.A.V._v._City_of_St._Paul the edgelords doing this deserved their time because edgelords don't grow out of cross burnings and drift to the left they grow into white hoods. The supreme courts but they broke other laws charge them with that has a point though. they should of had both charges of arson and hate speech levied against them.

and this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snyder_v._Phelps shows. The westboros homophobia being given a pass is definitely showing people that they can be homophobic shitlords who incite hatred and violence as long as they use their religion as their excuse.

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