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Bleach has some strong hate because it had a decent start as an enjoyable monster of the week sort of thing, had one decent ish arc, and then rehashed that arc until it got cancelled.
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Both have very strong starts. Naruto takes a lot longer to run out of steam. Bleach jumps the shark over and over. I actually finished Naruto.
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Jan 13, 2017 17:14
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eonwe posted:i need to read some bleach just to get the jokes . Bleach and Naruto are the two most popular anime I've never read or looked into period. Tbf, you're really not missing anything. Bleach at it's best was a sort of slice of life supernatural show that was pretty great and at least helps understand just how it declined in quality so rapidly. Naruto at its best was a bad attempt at copying Jojo's. Give people specific niche powers which require clever use and have smart play counter them. Have the protagonist win by... punching really, really hard.
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Jan 13, 2017 17:45
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eonwe posted:i need to read some bleach just to get the jokes . Bleach and Naruto are the two most popular anime I've never read or looked into period. Nah neither are worth starting to read.
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Jan 13, 2017 17:47
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Dragonatrix posted:Naruto at its best was a bad attempt at copying Jojo's. Give people specific niche powers which require clever use and have smart play counter them. Have the protagonist win by... punching really, really hard. http://i.imgur.com/TElg5WV.mp4
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Dragonatrix posted:Tbf, you're really not missing anything. Bleach at it's best was a sort of slice of life supernatural show that was pretty great and at least helps understand just how it declined in quality so rapidly. Eh it's closer to copying HXH. The Chuunin Exam is pretty clearly inpired by the Hunter Exam.
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Jan 13, 2017 18:24
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Kild posted:Eh it's closer to copying HXH. The Chuunin Exam is pretty clearly inpired by the Hunter Exam. Also Sasuke is just a combination of the worst aspects of Killua and Kurapika.
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Jan 13, 2017 18:44
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Naruto is fine until it turns out the under achieving protagonist who has been getting ahead through pure hard work is actually Ninja royalty and the demon inside him was specifically designed to help him out. It wasn't the greatest or anything, but it was ok fun until the story goes down the Sharingan hole and Naruto turns out to be Double Ninja Jesus. Lazy Batman is still great. Gyges fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Jan 13, 2017 |
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Jan 13, 2017 18:46
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Kild posted:Eh it's closer to copying HXH. The Chuunin Exam is pretty clearly inpired by the Hunter Exam. I had to look this up just to double check and Naruto started in 1997 while HxH started in 1998 so this would be some really on the spot copying if so
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Jan 13, 2017 18:50
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It's not like Tournament Arcs weren't a shonen staple well before Naruto or HxH or anything.
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Jan 13, 2017 19:11
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Neo_Crimson posted:It's not like Tournament Arcs weren't a shonen staple well before Naruto or HxH or anything. I wouldn't call either of them tournaments arcs.
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Jan 13, 2017 19:34
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Just for the record the big three of shonen jump is a western thing, so I doubt it was a deliberate reference. That shopped pic is great though. Props to the /a/ dude who made it.
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Jan 13, 2017 19:35
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quote:ADTRW › My Hero Academia: Someone is sauske after all Kek.
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Jan 13, 2017 19:37
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Yeah hasn't Bleach been irrelevant for years?
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Eej posted:Yeah hasn't Bleach been irrelevant for years? They ceased production of the manga in August 2016, ending on a bit of a somber personal note from the author. The anime stopped in 2012.
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Jan 13, 2017 19:42
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Gyges posted:Naruto is fine until it turns out the under achieving protagonist who has been getting ahead through pure hard work is actually Ninja royalty and the demon inside him was specifically designed to help him out. the sharingan hole sucked until it got to the guy who used an arm covered in eyes to rewrite reality at will, but it went back to sucking after that scene
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Venuz Patrol posted:the sharingan hole sucked until it got to the guy who used an arm covered in eyes to rewrite reality at will, but it went back to sucking after that scene Sharingarm was just stupid enough to actually be kind of cool.
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Jan 13, 2017 22:29
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Vengarr posted:I wouldn't bother, frankly. They're real bad and most references to them are very shallow surface-level stuff. Counterpoint: One Piece is actually very good. Edit: (by WSJ standards)
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Jan 13, 2017 23:24
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Crazyeyes posted:Counterpoint: One Piece is actually very good. I think he was talking about Naruto and bleach? Maybe? I'm not too sure, actually. IGNORE ME.
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Jan 13, 2017 23:25
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Fabricated posted:We have in SMASH. That's pretty much what I expected. 
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Jan 14, 2017 00:15
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ok, I will not read bleach or naruto i got like past skypeia for one piece and I got really bored and stopped caring about the plot
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eonwe posted:ok, I will not read bleach or naruto Well, you've probably had enough of the big 3, then. The rest of us had too much.
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Jan 14, 2017 00:31
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one piece is good naruto is okay but has some real bad rough patches bleach is bad after the soul society arc but has occasional bright spots that's my take thanks for reading
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Jan 14, 2017 00:38
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eonwe posted:ok, I will not read bleach or naruto Yeah, I dropped off One Piece during Skypia for pretty much the same reason. Then, years later, I saw a GIF of Luffy gently pushing a zombie back into his grave and saying "There, there..." and I jumped back on so I could see that in context. And buddy? Let me tell you, One Piece is good. You and I seriously dropped off right before the best arc of the series, and the "drop off" after that can hardly be called a drop off. It stays real drat good up until - arguably - the Dressrosa arc. I highly recommend getting back into it. Preferably the manga.
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Jan 14, 2017 00:58
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Mordaedil posted:They ceased production of the manga in August 2016, ending on a bit of a somber personal note from the author. The anime stopped in 2012. What did the author say? What could he say?
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Jan 14, 2017 00:59
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Bleach is the only manga that ended with me feeling genuinely angry at the author for wasting my time.
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Jan 14, 2017 01:00
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One Piece is good for a really long time then basically hits the top of the rollercoaster at Enies Lobby and continues downhill from there at varying speeds. Bleach opens strong and has a spectacular major arc in the Soul Society arc and then it is really really bad after that. Naruto readers will debate when it fell off but IMO it became garbage at the Sasuke Retrieval Arc. There's a reason that everyone keeps joking about "Who's the Sasuke?" with BnHA because basically that's the manga world's "Jump The Shark" event: Going Sasuke. So far, BnHA has not hit its nadir, and I dread the inevitable dud arc we'll get at some point because pretty much all manga have a bad arc or two.
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lowercase16 posted:Yeah, I dropped off One Piece during Skypia for pretty much the same reason. Then, years later, I saw a GIF of Luffy gently pushing a zombie back into his grave and saying "There, there..." and I jumped back on so I could see that in context. I wasn't a fan of dressrosa, but I'm a fan of this current arc. It's great.
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CubeTheory posted:Bleach is the only manga that ended with me feeling genuinely angry at the author for wasting my time. People talk about Naruto being bad, but Naruto is actually pretty decent/normal for a shounen series and wasn't really anything I'd call bad (by those standards) until the last arc (and I'd actually say it was significantly above average for its first few arcs). Bleach, on the other hand, became genuinely all-around bad, even when measured against other shounen battle manga. Everything post-Aizen (and even a lot of stuff before that) was genuinely terrible, and the last arc was so bad I was amazed that it even managed to be published.
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:I wasn't a fan of dressrosa, but I'm a fan of this current arc. It's great. Agreed. It's arguably the closest Oda has come to topping Enies Lobby.
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yea skypiea is like right before the best segment of one piece. it's awesome for a long time after that until it finally stumbles, but its been great again for the past year. naruto goes off the rails but bleach never had any to begin with. it's like the author runs out of steam and gives up. the ending is such an incredible shitshow, but honestly it's probably better for being cancelled than it would have been if kubo'd been allowed to drag it out for another year. it's incredible how little actually happens in a chapter of bleach mha isn't as far in as either naruto or bleach were when they started dropping in quality, but I think it's been better about most things than either of those were at this point of the story. reading early bleach in particular makes you see a lot of problems with the writing and how kubo just doubled down instead of getting better
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Jan 14, 2017 01:11
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I have no idea what Bleach guy was thinking when he made hollows pretty cool and then basically ignored them forever. Soul Society was a good enough arc but it was the beginning of the end for hollows being interesting and then after the shitshow of the hueco mundo arc they were basically not even relevant anymore.
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Bleach is pretty bad, but Tite Kubo had a really antagonistic relationship with Jump and I really don't blame him for checking out after Soul Society.
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Neo_Crimson posted:Bleach is pretty bad, but Tite Kubo had a really antagonistic relationship with Jump and I really don't blame him for checking out after Soul Society. This is new to me. I've heard that Togashi got locked in his hotel room by his editor or something, but never about anything between Jump and Kubo. What happened?
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Roland Jones posted:This is new to me. I've heard that Togashi got locked in his hotel room by his editor or something, but never about anything between Jump and Kubo. What happened? This video explains it better than I can: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACq7tgjHdGA
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Jan 14, 2017 02:59
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I'm just going to leave this here:
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Jan 14, 2017 03:11
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Neo_Crimson posted:This video explains it better than I can: I just discovered Eyepatch and devoured all his videos. He's pretty good. Maybe he should do a MHA vid HINT HINT
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lowercase16 posted:Yeah, I dropped off One Piece during Skypia for pretty much the same reason. Then, years later, I saw a GIF of Luffy gently pushing a zombie back into his grave and saying "There, there..." and I jumped back on so I could see that in context. well balls. ill pick it up then.
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It's kinda nice to read Naruto / Bleach because you read this manga and you see all the lessons (or just good writing in general, sure) the author got from watching those trainwrecks. It builds an appreciation for how shonen can be entertaining or incredibly, truly miserable.
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One Piece had a slow start, a truly stupendous arc, and then it's been all the same level of pretty decent. Bleach was amazing, and then it was dumb and samey for the rest of its run. Naruto is the one that went on a roller coaster. From good to great to mediocre to a multiyear death plunge where it actively got worse and worse without recourse. My Hero Academia is better than all three.
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