|
look out, hot take coming through:
|
# ? Jan 13, 2017 14:59 |
|
|
# ? May 20, 2024 17:54 |
|
The look of man running so hard from the present he ran straight into a rehash of history. Clearly nothing to whine about the ABC's coverage of the political class ripping everyone else off.
|
# ? Jan 13, 2017 15:04 |
|
quote:It is unreasonable to expect that the Kelly Gang be expunged from Australian history. But it is only proper that Kelly’s crimes be accurately acknowledged at historic sites and on websites. This is all the more important as we await the publication of Grantlee Kieza’s Mrs Kelly: The Astonishing Life of Ned Kelly’s Mother next month, which may or may not perpetuate the Kelly myth. Ellen Kelly was also a convicted criminal. I for one have cleared my schedule.
|
# ? Jan 13, 2017 15:15 |
|
Early Australian colonists - criminals? Say it isn't so.
|
# ? Jan 13, 2017 15:19 |
|
"it is only proper that Kelly’s crimes be accurately acknowledged at historic sites and on websites" Is it as important as acknowledging the genocide of the Aboriginal people, our country's greatest crime? Oh nvm, I see that it was technically not genocide. Whew, glad we cleared that up. Wouldn't want to get in the way of damning the actions of some random dude who never had any real power and has been dead for over a century. I didn't even know about the above article's existence before I googled it. But sometimes you just know something's gonna exist if you look for it.
|
# ? Jan 13, 2017 15:31 |
|
Reminder than Henderson's chief criticism of Windschuttle was that he was trying too hard to prove he'd recanted from Marxian leftism. He didn't dare qualify himself to criticize him on historical grounds, after all he agreed with the angle. Thing is, the frontier wars and bushrangers were a fact of life in early colonial Australian history. The rule of law was tenuous outside the main settlements, sometimes not far within them. People who had been through the convict system typically settled as far away from the law as possible. It's easy for the culture war to focus on the Kelly gang, there's heaps of contemporary writing; also it's at the end of the bushranger era, when the rule of law did extend throughout a state, and the dictates of governors were giving way to democratic institutions. Its easier to argue about convicted criminals when you have a working justice system (however unfair it might be). It's easier to rail about the "romance" when a hard look at early Australia finds little to be romantic about. Above all, it's a target because the public remembers it, and it's easy for a lazy columnist to bang out a few hundred pointless words. Even Windschuttle worked harder than Henderson, and he was hilariously wrong.
|
# ? Jan 13, 2017 15:48 |
|
Nibbles! posted:Isn't the Switch running a not terrible graphics card? Battery life gonna be like an hour. 3 hours, they actually managed to best the Vita and go back to Game Gear/Lynx levels of poo poo battery. I would blow Dane Cook posted:look out, hot take coming through: Oh, word?
|
# ? Jan 13, 2017 15:58 |
|
I would blow Dane Cook posted:look out, hot take coming through: Oh, look, it's Anne Henderson's husband, spewing forth another tedious article. Again.
|
# ? Jan 13, 2017 17:20 |
|
WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Like that's a pretty huge wilful misinterpretation there. No it's an interpretation based on a lifetime of scars and bitterness and anger from being a survivor of abuse and a system which didn't care in the slightest. And, no matter what you think, it's also a very accurate reading for what the Left Renewal scum fucks are actually saying. I grew up in the 70s with a violently sadistic father who hospitalised my mother and myself on more than one occasion and simply beat us senseless more times than I could ever count. Having the police care just the once would have made a world of difference. Having them actually arrest him just once would have made an even bigger one. Just enough time for my mother to have fled somewhere he wouldn't have been able to find us and drag us back before he finally managed to totally destroy her soul. Hearing ignorant pieces of poo poo like Left Renewal go on about how bringing the police into things doesn't help makes me want to scream, because YES IT loving DOES HELP. It can save lives. When this country actually has the infrastructure and intent to help abused women and children, then I'll give a poo poo about those misunderstood men and their inability to not smash their partner's head through a wall. The poor things, they had a hard day at work, don't you go and make it worse by calling the police now. Let's look at the very first line of the Left Renewal platform update which Lid quoted: quote:There has long been tension between often white, more affluent feminists calling for greater police powers, greater state intervention and incarceration as a primary response to the issue of violence against women, and those feminists that recognise the police, state intervention and incarceration as sources of violence themselves. These things are not equal. Police and state intervention and incarceration may well be "sources of violences" but they only exist as a response to the violence of those men brutalising their partners. Moreover, it all but blames rich white women for having men arrested and put in jail as if the domestic violence was their fault. As if men attacking women is something the women should be ashamed of. quote:Carceral feminism represents a critical misunderstanding of the real-world consequences of deploying the police; that they do not serve to ‘protect’. Ms Dhu was 22 years old when she died in custody in August 2014, in excruciating pain, after being repeatedly refused medical treatment. She had been held in custody for two days, after being arrested for unpaid fines. According to a March 2016 ABC article, a Senior Constable testified in relation to this death that Sergeant Rick Bond told her Ms Dhu was a junkie who was faking illness; Sergeant Bond was frustrated and she wanted to appease him because "his word was law" and he was known to "verbally attack" people who questioned him. A drug addict died in custody therefore any women who calls the police on the man who just knocked out her teeth and stubbed his cigarette out on their three year old child is just as bad as a murderer? What? No. That's loving wrong. And where did this mention of minorities and Aborigines come from? Now they're just going for Leftist bingo. Say enough of the magic words and you'll automatically be right. A woman in an abusive relationship bears absolutely no loving blame for any bullshit the police may pull and how dare anyone try and put that weight on their head. They suffer enough just trying to survive. Oh my, there's a faint chance the man who has beaten you every night for the past decade might stub his delicate little toes when in jail Fix the police. Fix the jails. Don't blame abused women for trying to protect themselves. quote:As Victoria Law writes, “Casting policing and prisons as the solution to domestic violence both justifies increases to police and prison budgets and diverts attention from the cuts to programs that enable survivors to escape, such as shelters, public housing, and welfare. Positioning police and prisons as the principal antidote discourages seeking other responses, including community interventions and long-term organising.” Blaming the women again. Increases to prison and police budgets are not necessarily bad things in and of themselves. But the next part, "diverts attention from the cuts to programs that enable survivors to escape, such as shelters, public housing, and welfare". Well whose loving fault is that? It's not the abused women's fault. Oh, so some piece of poo poo politician might try and cut back on social services because [reasons]? Welp, better blame the woman lying on the floor bleeding from her ears, I guess. Whore called the loving police. Doesn't she know, a man might suffer somewhere down the road because of her selfish actions! If politicians are cutting back social services, then blame the politicians. Not enough money? Then fight for more! Don't blame the victim. Ever. quote:Violence against women is an immense and serious problem, but greater state intervention is neither the appropriate nor the non-violent response. No, gently caress this poo poo. That entire post Lid found is 100% blame the victim bullshit. If abused women cannot call the police? If abused women cannot rely on the courts? Then what, tell me, can abused women do? The Left Renewals are loving idiots and the contempt I already had for the trot scum has increased a thousandfold after reading that. I agree with the views held by anyone who has worked with abused women and children that more needs to be done in every single area, but making a political platform out of "bitches should keep their mouths shut because it might affect men and we can't be having with that now" is bullshit of the highest order. Saying it's "huge wilful misinterpretation" is equally bullshit. Lid posted:A few factors: the Ms Dhu case is a stretch Or, more coherently, this. Left Renewal is morality as seen by wealthy white male trots. Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Jan 13, 2017 |
# ? Jan 13, 2017 17:40 |
|
I would blow Dane Cook posted:look out, hot take coming through: Yes but was he a communist Gerard?
|
# ? Jan 14, 2017 00:03 |
|
I wrote a big o' wall of text, but basically it boils down to lol if you think that people/women of colour have equality of access/treatment with police. I mean, this even extends to LGBTQIA people, where there's extreme amounts of difficulty for victims of DV to access services etc. if they are in a same-sex couple. I'm not excusing whatever the gently caress that "Left Renewal" screed is, I think it's extreme and pretty wowzers. There's more than enough ammo to stick it to old school white feminism, which ignores intersectionality etc., without having to conflate it with domestic violence. Also Gorilla Salad, you can go gently caress yourself with that "drug addict" comment. I'm really glad you think you can reduce someone to a perjorative label, I mean who cares lol she's just a drug addict haha
|
# ? Jan 14, 2017 00:51 |
|
Gorilla Salad posted:Hearing ignorant pieces of poo poo like Left Renewal go on about how bringing the police into things doesn't help makes me want to scream, because YES IT loving DOES HELP. It can save lives. Gorilla Salad posted:I grew up in the 70s with a violently sadistic father who hospitalised my mother and myself on more than one occasion and simply beat us senseless more times than I could ever count. Having the police care just the once would have made a world of difference. Having them actually arrest him just once would have made an even bigger one. Just enough time for my mother to have fled somewhere he wouldn't have been able to find us and drag us back before he finally managed to totally destroy her soul. So if reality was different than it actually is they'd be wrong then? Okay.
|
# ? Jan 14, 2017 02:11 |
|
of the two options, make the police better or abolish the police altogether, i think the first one is slightly more realistic but
|
# ? Jan 14, 2017 02:32 |
|
BBJoey posted:of the two options, make the police better or abolish the police altogether, i think the first one is slightly more realistic but But capitalism
|
# ? Jan 14, 2017 02:49 |
|
Recoome posted:I wrote a big o' wall of text, but basically it boils down to lol if you think that people/women of colour have equality of access/treatment with police. I mean, this even extends to LGBTQIA people, where there's extreme amounts of difficulty for victims of DV to access services etc. if they are in a same-sex couple. I'm a drug addict for sex (streetname: sex) but supply has been down lately and I'm covered in scabs and police brutality E: and I deserve every bit of it
|
# ? Jan 14, 2017 03:33 |
|
Recoome posted:I wrote a big o' wall of text, but basically it boils down to lol if you think that people/women of colour have equality of access/treatment with police. I mean, this even extends to LGBTQIA people, where there's extreme amounts of difficulty for victims of DV to access services etc. if they are in a same-sex couple. Here ill quote the article left renewal are basing everything on quote:Cherie Williams, a thirty-five-year-old African-American woman in the Bronx, just wanted to protect herself from her abusive boyfriend. So she called the cops. But although New York requires police to make an arrest when responding to domestic violence calls, the officers did not leave their car. When Williams demanded their badge numbers, the police handcuffed her, drove her to a deserted parking lot, and beat her, breaking her nose and jaw, and rupturing her spleen. They then left her on the ground.
|
# ? Jan 14, 2017 03:41 |
|
Why is domestic violence treated any differently to other forms of assault that may occur in the street or at a party?
|
# ? Jan 14, 2017 03:45 |
starkebn posted:Why is domestic violence treated any differently to other forms of assault that may occur in the street or at a party? Because it is different. Someone randomly assaulted in a car park probably wont hesitate to press charges. Someone who has spent years being belittled and blamed for every slight until they feel like they are the cause of it is much less likely to stand up to their abuser when another male authority figure comes into the situation. Add kids into the mix and you would be amazed at what some women will put up with to keep their kids safe.
|
|
# ? Jan 14, 2017 03:49 |
|
starkebn posted:Why is domestic violence treated any differently to other forms of assault that may occur in the street or at a party? Mostly in terms of the follow up I imagine. You don't normally cohabitate with the random person in the street who thumps you or the person you glassed in a party.
|
# ? Jan 14, 2017 03:50 |
|
starkebn posted:Why is domestic violence treated any differently to other forms of assault that may occur in the street or at a party? Depends how you mean, if you mean why is there such a massive media focus on street violence compared to DV it's because women are the property of men and they must have done something to provoke the violence. If you're asking why it should be treated differently in an ideal system it's because the motivations, causes and effects on the victim, and difficulty reporting it are vastly different
|
# ? Jan 14, 2017 03:51 |
|
Minimisation is another big issue in DV. Part of it is psychological, making things seem less bad so it's possible to survive another day, but it obviously makes it harder for those same people to recognise how bad things are. It can be very hard to avoid minimising your experience or shouldering the blame for what has happened when you relay what has happened to others, which includes court staff and police officers.
|
# ? Jan 14, 2017 04:15 |
|
I am a Carceral feminist. I want more prisons and more people in them and that's all
|
# ? Jan 14, 2017 04:51 |
|
I just came by to laugh at how the outrage over this Australia Day lamb ad is apparently because it's too politically correct, ok bye.
|
# ? Jan 14, 2017 05:12 |
|
I can see where someone might come from with the argument that there are various more effective ways to address domestic violence than criminalisation, but this is hard to separate from "instead of punishing abusers, we need to help victims to not get abused. "Solemn Sloth posted:Depends how you mean, if you mean why is there such a massive media focus on street violence compared to DV Is this really true though? Historically maybe, but currently nothing gets the media worked into a frenzy more than a lurid family murder case, and I doubt anybody in Australia can name anybody with the vaguest connection to street violence with as high a profile as Rosie Batty.
|
# ? Jan 14, 2017 05:22 |
|
Look I think there's a lot of strawmanning going on ITT, I don't think there's a legit opinion which is victim blaming DV victims beyond blaming white feminism for not considering non white cis women.
|
# ? Jan 14, 2017 05:40 |
|
eXXon posted:I just came by to laugh at how the outrage over this Australia Day lamb ad is apparently because it's too politically correct, ok bye. I thought last year the campaign manager was talking up how great the ads were. So I guess instead of doubling down on political incorrectness, they've decided to flip the script and do an edgy politically correct ad. That way they can still cause controversy and drive 'engagement', while avoiding allegations of exploiting something sacred for personal gain (while still doing exactly that).
|
# ? Jan 14, 2017 06:12 |
|
Fill the blank: PAULINE HANSON SAYS _____________________________________ IS UNDERMINING THE AUSTRALIAN WAY OF LIFE
|
# ? Jan 14, 2017 06:14 |
|
Recoome posted:Fill the blank: PAULINE HANSON SAYS _____________________________________ IS UNDERMINING THE AUSTRALIAN WAY OF LIFE Excuse me exam supervisor - I can't fit the entire dictionary in the space provided. May I please have additional paper?
|
# ? Jan 14, 2017 06:27 |
|
Recoome posted:Fill the blank: PAULINE HANSON SAYS _____________________________________ IS UNDERMINING THE AUSTRALIAN WAY OF LIFE Queensland
|
# ? Jan 14, 2017 06:28 |
|
Apparently it's the most inclusive ad yet! Edgy jokes about boat people and the First People at a bbq of lamb (ohh because that's what you did with the land you stole hahaha I get it) probably sound as funny as a Dutton bon mot to ad people. Reminder that John Howard invented jan 26th and no it wasn't the loving hot 100 that inspired him. That should do it.
|
# ? Jan 14, 2017 06:31 |
|
I would blow Dane Cook posted:Queensland Sadly rampant corruption and racism is highly appropriate for Australia. I mean it's wrong but it's basically totally appropriate for the culture.
|
# ? Jan 14, 2017 06:32 |
|
ewe2 posted:
While Howard probably pumped more importance into Australia Day, like he did with ANZAC day, he didn't invent it. Australia day hss been nationally celebrated on Jan 26th since 1935. Change the date to May 8 IMHO
|
# ? Jan 14, 2017 06:45 |
|
ModernMajorGeneral posted:I can see where someone might come from with the argument that there are various more effective ways to address domestic violence than criminalisation, but this is hard to separate from "instead of punishing abusers, we need to help victims to not get abused. " They Batty case is illustrative as there were numerous times intervention could have occurred before the murder occurred.
|
# ? Jan 14, 2017 06:46 |
|
Guys, stop falling for clickbait advertising.
|
# ? Jan 14, 2017 07:02 |
|
Freudian Slip posted:While Howard probably pumped more importance into Australia Day, like he did with ANZAC day, he didn't invent it. Australia day hss been nationally celebrated on Jan 26th since 1935. It's only been a public holiday since 1994. Some reading material
|
# ? Jan 14, 2017 07:06 |
|
BBJoey posted:of the two options, make the police better or abolish the police altogether, i think the first one is slightly more realistic but You're expecting realistic solutions from student politicians? wat
|
# ? Jan 14, 2017 11:05 |
|
ewe2 posted:It's only been a public holiday since 1994. Some reading material Yeah - When Paul Keating was our prime minister. I was just pointing out that you can't lay blame for everything at Howard's feet. He did plenty to be upset about as it is.
|
# ? Jan 14, 2017 11:46 |
|
starkebn posted:Why is domestic violence treated any differently to other forms of assault that may occur in the street or at a party? Until very recently, it was cool and normal to beat and rape your wife and children
|
# ? Jan 14, 2017 12:29 |
|
Freudian Slip posted:Yeah - When Paul Keating was our prime minister. I was just pointing out that you can't lay blame for everything at Howard's feet. He did plenty to be upset about as it is. Fair enough, I was relying on something said in a podcast, I guess they got the ANZAC thing mixed up with this. Lets nuke Canberra anyway.
|
# ? Jan 14, 2017 12:38 |
|
|
# ? May 20, 2024 17:54 |
|
The Peccadillo posted:Until very recently, it was cool and normal to beat and rape your wife and children I'm not sure it was ever cool and normal to rape your children.
|
# ? Jan 14, 2017 12:43 |