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HorseRenoir posted:I don't think it's particularly impressive that Ellison can win his deep blue district repeatedly but he's the only major Dem figure that seems to have a plan with regards to raising turnout and winning seats What's his plan?
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:What's his plan? to win
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Grognan posted:It was really funny at my county demo party where the biggest issues were training people to post on twitter and trying to understand the barbarians outside the city limits. Also they were really concerned with making sure we knew that all party doctrine came from the DNC and that we lived and died on their support no matter what we thought (said committee is being now blitzed with 3-1 bernie people now). One of the big reasons why Hillary and DNC did so poorly is they never tailored the message for local needs.
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Ace of Baes posted:Everyone should listen to this. Listening to this, the takeaway, beyond feeling despondent, is that modern political parties, and by extension, their voters, don't stand for anything. Instead of articulating their vision for a better tomorrow they fixate on the perceived horrors of today. So we need to become a party with a premise. Full communism now? Does that sound okay?
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Donkwich posted:What's more humiliating, losing against every GOP candidate or actively helping the one candidate who could beat you lmao *looks at the results* both.
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Grognan posted:It was really funny at my county demo party where the biggest issues were training people to post on twitter and trying to understand the barbarians outside the city limits. Also they were really concerned with making sure we knew that all party doctrine came from the DNC and that we lived and died on their support no matter what we thought (said committee is being now blitzed with 3-1 bernie people now). But here's the important question - has the county swore off yard signs for Super Mookputer 2008? It's the only way to win elections
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i don't see ellison winning, between obama's great stabbing Israel in the back (which wasn't much of anything at all) and that billionaire calling him an anti-semite and the upcoming paris accord where something more is coming of a UN/Israel vote, and Obama backing Perez it's going to be too much
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I'm looking forward to the Ellison vote because if the centrists can't even put someone that isn't one of their own up for a sacrificial lamb position for the 2018 midterms I'll just join the DSA and never vote for a dem again
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Mnoba posted:i don't see ellison winning, between obama's great stabbing Israel in the back (which wasn't much of anything at all) and that billionaire calling him an anti-semite and the upcoming paris accord where something more is coming of a UN/Israel vote, and Obama backing Perez it's going to be too much He's already getting the Bernie treatment, strange how bad centrist dems would rather fight Ellison and his progressive message than the republicans.
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Jan 14, 2017 15:41
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Most Dems have fairly safe seats where getting primaried from the left is way more of a threat than actually losing to a Republican. The same goes double for the GOP, which is partially why it is full of crazy people.
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Mnoba posted:i don't see ellison winning, between obama's great stabbing Israel in the back (which wasn't much of anything at all) and that billionaire calling him an anti-semite and the upcoming paris accord where something more is coming of a UN/Israel vote, and Obama backing Perez it's going to be too much you mean that drama that nearly instantly was smothered in the crib when guys like Schumer who actually matter in the party more than Saban do came to Ellison's side saying 'no I don't know what that guy's saying he's not an antisemite'
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haha he's scared about his sons mortality in the immediate future, fuckin bitch, owned!!!! Like, poo poo there's better things to get all horned up over than 'someone in a bad place kinda doesn't give a poo poo about what I do' but whatever
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HailHorrorHail posted:haha he's scared about his sons mortality in the immediate future, fuckin bitch, owned!!!! I am actually consulting my insurer's network docs list right now because I think I strained my eyes from rolling them too hard at your post. Expect a letter from my attorney.
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HailHorrorHail posted:haha he's scared about his sons mortality in the immediate future, fuckin bitch, owned!!!! Actually lusting for the death and suffering of your enemies is a tradition as old as man
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if he had been too poor for sex he wouldn't be in this situation put me on the ticket debbie, im ready
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If Ellison doesn't win, I'm allowed to forsake the Democratic Party forever, right?
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Mordiceius posted:If Ellison doesn't win, I'm allowed to forsake the Democratic Party forever, right? you're allowed to do whatever you want. it's a free country.
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Mordiceius posted:If Ellison doesn't win, I'm allowed to forsake the Democratic Party forever, right? "Encouraged" is the word I'd use.
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Mordiceius posted:If Ellison doesn't win, I'm allowed to forsake the Democratic Party forever, right? Free JO crystals for the first 100 green party members
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Free 2 hours of child labor for libertarian party members
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I'm probably also done with Dems if their lesson learned from this year is double down on what they are currently doing.
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nothing will meaningfully change regardless of who is elected as dnc chair, hth.
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The first person to actually get good progressives, good moderates, and good centrists in the Democratic Party to actually work together for the common good of Opposing Paul Ryan (and I suppose also Donald Trump), indeed the first person to acknowledge that all three groups actually exist and that all of them are good for something other than guillotine calibration or target practice, only that person shall be worthy of drawing Socialist Excalibur from the Stone of Progress and shall become the First Citizen Of America.
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Concerned Citizen posted:nothing will meaningfully change regardless of who is elected as dnc chair, hth. You keep saying that, but it isn't true.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:You keep saying that, but it isn't true. ok so tell me how the party will be different after ellison is elected. what deep, meaningful change do you think will occur? i mean the reality is the dnc chair is just not a powerful position!
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Concerned Citizen posted:ok so tell me how the party will be different after ellison is elected. what deep, meaningful change do you think will occur? i mean the reality is the dnc chair is just not a powerful position! i agree with concerned citizen. the democratic party is a tool to serve the bourgeois state and cannot be meaningfully reformed and must be destroyed.
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jarofpiss posted:i agree with concerned citizen. the democratic party is a tool to serve the bourgeois state and cannot be meaningfully reformed and must be destroyed. this is true of all political parties that exist within a democratically elected framework in a capitalist state. only revolution can affect true change
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Concerned Citizen posted:ok so tell me how the party will be different after ellison is elected. what deep, meaningful change do you think will occur? i mean the reality is the dnc chair is just not a powerful position! I guess we don't need a DNC then. It doesn't do anything that actually matters according to the guy who is wrong about yard signs.
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Concerned Citizen posted:nothing will meaningfully change regardless of who is elected as dnc chair, hth. Welp guess we better not do anythign at all then.
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docbeard posted:The first person to actually get good progressives, good moderates, and good centrists in the Democratic Party to actually work together for the common good of Opposing Paul Ryan (and I suppose also Donald Trump), indeed the first person to acknowledge that all three groups actually exist and that all of them are good for something other than guillotine calibration or target practice, only that person shall be worthy of drawing Socialist Excalibur from the Stone of Progress and shall become the First Citizen Of America. Centrists have no genuine interest in helping progressives since progressives want to cut off their supply of lobbyist money from wall street and pharma companies.
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etalian posted:Centrists have no genuine interest in helping progressives since progressives want to cut off their supply of lobbyist money from wall street and pharma companies. Guess you won't be getting that sword then
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I guess we don't need a DNC then. It doesn't do anything that actually matters according to the guy who is wrong about yard signs. so i take it you have no idea what the dnc chair does, then
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