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uh I'm not a physicist but I don't think sound waves work that way
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if that isnt named the scone of silence they are loving idiots
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Agile Vector posted:if that isnt named the scone of silence they are loving idiots
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fishmech posted:no, i'm pretty sure showing up to court int he US with no clue about local law tends to work lovely I took that post to mean that if the courts function properly then the legal system is blind to whether you have consulted the correct experts or how much homework you didn't do before showing up. Doesn't mean you'll prevail but it's possible for the law and precedent to nevertheless be on the side of the clueless dilz who showed up.
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Mister Sinewave posted:I took that post to mean that if the courts function properly then the legal system is blind to whether you have consulted the correct experts or how much homework you didn't do before showing up. when one side of the dispute has no idea about local laws and the other side has a couple of lawyers who actually do, it's very hard for the clueless ones to win. even if they're completely in the right.
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fishmech posted:when one side of the dispute has no idea about local laws and the other side has a couple of lawyers who actually do, it's very hard for the clueless ones to win. even if they're completely in the right. see also: us prison system
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fishmech posted:no, i'm pretty sure showing up to court int he US with no clue about local law tends to work lovely if i make a contract with a manufacturer in the u.s. i can count on its fair and equitable enforcement whether or not i have any local allies in the area. worst case scenario: i have to hire a local lawyer the situation just aint that pretty in guangzhou. you need extensive expertise and advice, local and overseas, just to avoid being ripped off from the outset edit: gently caress, fart simpson appears to be one of these people who actually does scm or contracts management and still denies there is a problem?
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Synthbuttrange posted:
lol it's literally just a speaker that blasts out white noise or birds and waves and poo poo
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:if i make a contract with a manufacturer in the u.s. i can count on its fair and equitable enforcement whether or not i have any local allies in the area. worst case scenario: i have to hire a local lawyer if you make a lovely contract on the other hand, and don't bother to get someone local to go over it and verify it's actually asking for everything you want, you're not going to be able to enforce it. this is true in america just as in china. especially if we're talking some random small us company or kickstarter group, who are likely to just kind of rough a contract out and expect everything to go right. and guess which group of people has the most problem with "violations"?
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duTrieux. posted:lol it's literally just a speaker that blasts out white noise or birds and waves and poo poo gosh mom its an exciter not a speaker! 
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Synthbuttrange posted:gosh mom its an exciter not a speaker! you want a loudspeaker membrane to be as light as possible. the ideal membrane would be masless, just moving air around without dampening anything with its own inertia what do you think happens to audio quality when you use, for example, a 100 lb wooden tabletop as a membrane? i remember people trying this poo poo with window glass, and it kinda worked. i can't imagine it works worth poo poo with a table or a wall or whatever
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:if i make a contract with a manufacturer in the u.s. i can count on its fair and equitable enforcement whether or not i have any local allies in the area. worst case scenario: i have to hire a local lawyer no im not. i dont do any sort of contract management stuff i just work in china. i'm not denying that the situation is worse than it is in america, i'm just saying it's not as bad as a lot of people seem to think (like the guy who says contracts will not help you in china. that's just false)
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:in countries where the courts work properly, showing up and shooting from the hip actually works lmao, that's a belter even for you. Agile Vector posted:if that isnt named the scone of silence they are loving idiots Mmmm scones
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I pre-ordered a Vessyl because I'm dumb, then asked for a refund last July. They promised me one within two weeks that never came, and also they don't answer my e-mails anymore.
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Lmao what the hell were you thinking
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Jan 20, 2017 12:08
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I'll have one of whatever you're drinking.
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Synthbuttrange posted:Lmao what the hell were you thinking How exactly were they claiming this thing worked? I like the idea that someone had to guess what they were drinking in the past, but now the device helpfully tells you "coffee" or "piss" or whatever.
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Chalks posted:How exactly were they claiming this thing worked? How Does Vessyl Work? Although the company doesn’t tell us much about the technology behind it, Vessyl is a 13oz cup made of a non-stick, scratch resistant, glass-like material that features “sophisticated sensors that can analyze the content at the molecular level,” and that’s within “the same realm of technology as quality control in the food industry.” Because of this, Vessyl is claimed to not only work with traditional beverages, but also with alcohol, smoothies, and yogurt, and can even differentiate between your drink and the water from melting ice. After this data has been analyzed, Vessyl contains a built-in display (known as Pryme, which is indicated by small facets on the cup’s exterior) that will active once it’s picked up and tilted, and will provide actionable data that you can use to make healthier beverage choices. In fact, the manufacturer claims that because Vessyl “knows and aggregates the makeup of everything you drink,” it can even help you sleep better by learning how to choose and time your beverage intake.
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Jan 20, 2017 12:19
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look guys it had a Skype demo ok
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Synthbuttrange posted:ITS A loving MOLECULAR SCANNER?!? Hahaha. I wonder what they were actually planning on doing with this or if they literally dreamt up this idea and ran with it. Even if they were able to manufacture a tiny, efficient and highly accurate molecular scanner and fit it alongside a tiny IoT computer, how exactly are you going to get accurate nutritional information about a drink based on a sample of random molecules floating around at the bottom of a glass?
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Chalks posted:, how exactly are you going to get accurate nutritional information about a drink based on a sample of random molecules floating around at the bottom of a glass? well obviously you hold up the scanner and some blue wireframe molecules appear on the screen /drowns in VC influx
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Synthbuttrange posted:How Does Vessyl Work? Synthbuttrange posted:ITS A loving MOLECULAR SCANNER?!? It could be a near infrared sensor which measures a spectrum and compares it against a mathematical model. Such an instrument can be as small as ... three coffee cups? I'm having a hard time quantifying the size needed but more than whatever is at the button of a cup. Could also be a color sensor going "GREEN = TEA, BROWN = COFFEE, CLEAR = WATER" which means fooling it and yourself would require food dye. Also wouldn't work with cola I guess. edit also they should've called it vessl but that's already a lovely powerbank manufacturer 2ed edit: Apparently NIR spectrometers can come in sizes down to the size of a wristwatch. The price of these: I don't know, but likely enough to make a 200dollar cup unprofitable very quickly. champagne posting fucked around with this message at 12:53 on Jan 20, 2017 |
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Synthbuttrange posted:Their stupid staged demo had them differentiating pepsi from coke. This can easily be done though, price for instrument for measuring is 250 dollars though.
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Boiled Water posted:This can easily be done though, price for instrument for measuring is 250 dollars though. A cheaper solution is presumably a screen on the side of the glass that says "Have you considered looking at what is written on the side of the can?" I suppose it's the perfect product for health concious people who are in the habit of drinking unidentified brown liquid.
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wonder if one wouldn't be able to make a facsimile good enough to have people go "oh, neat" by measuring two or more of acidity, electroconductivity, transparency, and color and just training a model to do a guess. there is a lot of sensors which aren't super-expensive which may be good enough to give you a clue of what is what more fundamentally: it seems really really pointless
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:wonder if one wouldn't be able to make a facsimile good enough to have people go "oh, neat" by measuring two or more of acidity, electroconductivity, transparency, and color and just training a model to do a guess. there is a lot of sensors which aren't super-expensive which may be good enough to give you a clue of what is what It's probably very likely a combination of these, mainly the pointless component which is weighed heavily.
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Wizardnetic Vermin posted:wonder if one wouldn't be able to make a facsimile good enough to have people go "oh, neat" by measuring two or more of acidity, electroconductivity, transparency, and color and just training a model to do a guess. there is a lot of sensors which aren't super-expensive which may be good enough to give you a clue of what is what microphone so it can differentiate between coke and pepsi by listening for "is pepsi ok?" before betting filled up with mystrey cola (or "cola" for short)
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https://twitter.com/crushingbort/status/477507715711791104
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but i can tell the difference between pepsi and coke and im worthless
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Theranos is still kicking and has drowned in VC cash, the only difference between vessyl (beverages) and theranos (blood testing) is that theranos went huger. vessyl should have shot for the stars, because the sky is the limit apparently
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Lazyhound posted:I pre-ordered a Vessyl because I'm dumb, then asked for a refund last July. They promised me one within two weeks that never came, and also they don't answer my e-mails anymore.
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Jan 20, 2017 17:39
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Every expert can be lined up to say poo poo like "this has hella problems and even if it did work (which it does not currently) there are some serious implementation concerns like whether you can actually infer X or Y from such a small sample - what you're looking for might not actually statistically exist in such a small sample, etc" "So, you're saying it's disruptive?"  *begins shoveling cubic meters of money*
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I don't know why I work a real job when I could just get VC money thrown at me by making up some fantastical bullshit.
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Yeah but just like how some people figure that all you need is a great idea and then just somehow start cashing checks, you can't just make something up. That's not enough. You also need to sell it to the right people. Or it *is* that simple and you just dont because you have ethics and virtue and would never stoop, etc.
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Fear of the law catching up really. But look, if the Theranos lady had just set her sights lower, would she have gotten away from it without an FBI investigation? Like if some point she was like "Alright, I had no background in this poo poo and I was just freestyle bullshitting everyone. Time to just tell the public it's not working," she would have walked away with a ton of money she socked away, right? Or if she'd just done a small lie like these smart Thermos guys?
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