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Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

It's pretty interesting that Australia has like a whole unique class of vehicle not really seen anywhere else in the world. It's like if SUV's were only in Newzealand or hatch backs only existed in Japan.

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Guy Axlerod
Dec 29, 2008
Are there any OSHA violations that exist only in Australia? Like forgetting to use Kangaroo repellent?

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

I suspect first aid kits have to contain a collection of various antivenoms.

C.M. Kruger
Oct 28, 2013

Baronjutter posted:

It's pretty interesting that Australia has like a whole unique class of vehicle not really seen anywhere else in the world. It's like if SUV's were only in Newzealand or hatch backs only existed in Japan.

They've also got agricultural motorcycles.
http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycles/honda-ctx-200/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OOg7vL3rNY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lyp0AtsODx4

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Guy Axlerod posted:

Are there any OSHA violations that exist only in Australia? Like forgetting to use Kangaroo repellent?


An asbestos-shovelling competition at Wittenoom in 1962.

Say Nothing
Mar 5, 2013

by FactsAreUseless


Needs more height.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Guy Axlerod posted:

Are there any OSHA violations that exist only in Australia? Like forgetting to use Kangaroo repellent?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50MbPACZF-4

It’s as dangerous as it looks.

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?
At work they have been replacing all of the vans and trucks with electric vehicles because they realized we didn't need huge rigs for intra-site transportation.

Whenever someone references "taking the truck" I roll my eyes because it's literally a weird golf cart now.

Chard
Aug 24, 2010




Platystemon posted:



An asbestos-shovelling competition at Wittenoom in 1962.

...why? Even before we knew how awful that poo poo is that just looks like it would suck to be near.

REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS
Oct 3, 2003

What do you think it means, bitch?

Mozi posted:

Or a used Subaru Baja.

But then no one would take you seriously ever again.

The US has kind of covered the "perks of a car + truck utility space" with all the crew cabs and such where the passenger compartment is about the same size as the bed (will hold 5 adults easily).

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS posted:

But then no one would take you seriously ever again.

The US has kind of covered the "perks of a car + truck utility space" with all the crew cabs and such where the passenger compartment is about the same size as the bed (will hold 5 adults easily).

The difference is that El Caminos and Rancheros were based on sedans, so you get the driving comfort and characteristics of a car with the utility of a truck. A crew cab truck is still a truck and drives and rides like one.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS posted:

But then no one would take you seriously ever again.

The US has kind of covered the "perks of a car + truck utility space" with all the crew cabs and such where the passenger compartment is about the same size as the bed (will hold 5 adults easily).

I need my F250 luxury truck to haul all the goods to and fro Costco lemme tell ya.

Dr.Smasher
Nov 27, 2002

Cyberpunk 1987

Chard posted:

...why? Even before we knew how awful that poo poo is that just looks like it would suck to be near.

I think it's been mentioned before but everyone in that picture died from exposure to asbestos.

Splode
Jun 18, 2013

put some clothes on you little freak

Baronjutter posted:

It's pretty interesting that Australia has like a whole unique class of vehicle not really seen anywhere else in the world. It's like if SUV's were only in Newzealand or hatch backs only existed in Japan.

Japan has an obsession with microvans and weird three wheeled scooters that aren't particularly popular anywhere else.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Dr.Smasher posted:

I think it's been mentioned before but everyone in that picture died from exposure to asbestos.

And the company did know how dangerous it was.

Jet Jaguar
Feb 12, 2006

Don't touch my bags if you please, Mr Customs Man.




Holy gently caress, like 10 seconds in and I'm wondering how many of these guys make it through a single flight.

"Yep, gonna flight below treetop level and nearly bury the rotor in the ground when I turn to harass a cow."

Atticus_1354
Dec 10, 2006

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Jet Jaguar posted:

Holy gently caress, like 10 seconds in and I'm wondering how many of these guys make it through a single flight.

"Yep, gonna flight below treetop level and nearly bury the rotor in the ground when I turn to harass a cow."

I did a deer capture where they netted them from helicopters. It was basically that with a guy hanging out the side with a net gun. Plus a bunch of guys with 4wheelers and trucks chasing them to secure and transport the animals. If you don't get to the animal withing 20 seconds the chopper pilots start yelling at you on the radio. Even if they flew over 3 fences and jumped pastures while you had to go a mile out of the way to get there. Those guys are mental but absolutely amazing to watch up close.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Jet Jaguar posted:

Holy gently caress, like 10 seconds in and I'm wondering how many of these guys make it through a single flight.

"Yep, gonna flight below treetop level and nearly bury the rotor in the ground when I turn to harass a cow."

A friend of mine does helicopter mustering and his flying skills are amazing and scary. He also does tourist flights for extra money and has to consciously remember that he has people in the chopper and not fly like an insane person (also that he is not in a Robby and in something bigger).

I was one of his motorbike out-riders for a few seasons and each day was loving amazing - I kinda wanna get back into it now the world has gopros but I have a self imposed ban on riding bikes after some lucky escapes.

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

They're still suuuuuper popular in Australia. We even have ute festivals: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ute_muster


Goddmanit, is that a Confederate flag? Is that how Australians announce they're racists too?

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Even more confusingly the one in the middle is flying underneath the flag of Aboriginal Australia so :psyduck:

The cross on blue is also the equivalent of the confederate flag here.

DiHK
Feb 4, 2013

by Azathoth

Platystemon posted:

No it's not? Film the people while the tank waits down the road.

Move them off the road and film the tank stunt moments later.

Boom, perfect lighting match. It was an overcast day. A couple of minutes of change is imperceptible.

One solution takes software, expertise and money, the other solution takes either a measuring tape and an extra 20 minutes and/or a lens the DP probably already has in his kit.

You're not just matching up the lighting, you also have to do mask out the area behind the people. So you'd need a sizable green/blue curtain... oh and there's green/blue in the background so you better have a decent effect artist.


hth.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Splode posted:

Japan has an obsession with microvans and weird three wheeled scooters that aren't particularly popular anywhere else.

They're really popular in my little corner of Canada too, well not the 3 wheeled poo poo which I think is pretty rare in Japan too. The US has much stricter used car import laws vs Canada, so we're flooded with 20ish year old japanese micro vans and trucks that you can't really get in the US since I think the law is like 30 years or something extreme. I have no idea how safe they are, but they seem quite ideal for city driving. In fact I really wish that general scale of vehicle was the norm.

Chard
Aug 24, 2010




Dr.Smasher posted:

I think it's been mentioned before but everyone in that picture died from exposure to asbestos.

Gorilla Salad posted:

And the company did know how dangerous it was.

:(

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

食べちゃダメだよ

Dr.Smasher posted:

I think it's been mentioned before but everyone in that picture died from exposure to asbestos.

I'm not sure if this video will work for people outside Australia, but there's a very good report on it:
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2011/08/08/3288499.htm

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

It's too bad about the cancer because asbestos is really fuckin' useful. I could see why it was seen as such a cheap miracle material.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Jet Jaguar posted:

Holy gently caress, like 10 seconds in and I'm wondering how many of these guys make it through a single flight.

"Yep, gonna flight below treetop level and nearly bury the rotor in the ground when I turn to harass a cow."

Sometimes the cow wins.

DiHK posted:

One solution takes software, expertise and money, the other solution takes either a measuring tape and an extra 20 minutes and/or a lens the DP probably already has in his kit.

You're not just matching up the lighting, you also have to do mask out the area behind the people. So you'd need a sizable green/blue curtain... oh and there's green/blue in the background so you better have a decent effect artist.


hth.

It’s a static camera position. It’s the twenty‐first century. A curtain is a luxury.

One solution takes a copy of iMovie and five minutes. The other is similarly fast but risks the lives of a couple dozen people.

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

食べちゃダメだよ
Wittenoom is just all sorts of hosed up. Not only did the company know that it was incredibly dangerous, the mine wasn't even profitable*. As far as I can tell, it was kept open mainly as an excuse to engage in moustache-twirling.

* "For most of the years CSR mined asbestos, the operation lost money. It struggled into profit for the five years from 1956, and then only by making its workforce work two and even three shifts a day. When the mine closed it had an accumulated debt of around $2.5 million."

Ignimbrite
Jan 5, 2010

BALLS BALLS BALLS
Dinosaur Gum
And it's had it's name removed from maps and roadsigns removed off the roads. You really don't want to go there. Blue Asbestos (Riebeckite and Crocidolite) is actively loving malevolent. It's a one-way ticket to the wonderful world of Mesothelioma.

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

GotLag posted:

Wittenoom is just all sorts of hosed up. Not only did the company know that it was incredibly dangerous, the mine wasn't even profitable*. As far as I can tell, it was kept open mainly as an excuse to engage in moustache-twirling.

* "For most of the years CSR mined asbestos, the operation lost money. It struggled into profit for the five years from 1956, and then only by making its workforce work two and even three shifts a day. When the mine closed it had an accumulated debt of around $2.5 million."

I'm pretty sure in the year 2017 Canada still has an asbestos mining town and exports the poo poo at a loss while being massively subsidized by the government.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Baronjutter posted:

I'm pretty sure in the year 2017 Canada still has an asbestos mining town and exports the poo poo at a loss while being massively subsidized by the government.

quote:

Until recently, Canada was one of the world’s largest exporters of asbestos, with the vast majority of Canadian asbestos going to developing countries such as Bangladesh, India, Indonesia, and Thailand, where workers often lack the capacity and knowledge to use the mineral safely (Figure 2).

quote:

In 2011, the last two remaining asbestos mines in Canada, both located in the province of Quebec, halted production. With the commitment of a $58 million dollar loan from the Quebec government in 2012, one of the mines was set to reopen. However, following a provincial election that resulted in a change of leadership, the new Premier of Quebec promised to cancel the loan and instead use the funds for economic diversification in the asbestos mining communities of Quebec.[1] At this time, the federal government Industry Minister announced that they would no longer oppose international efforts to list asbestos as a hazardous substance under the Rotterdam Convention, which aims to protect those living in developing countries from hazardous substances.[2] The Canadian government also committed financial support for economic development in the asbestos mining regions.[1]

While the Canadian government has backed down on its support of the asbestos industry, asbestos mining and export is not banned in Canada. A number of researchers, public health officials, and health organizations have called upon governments to ban the production, export, and use of asbestos.[3][4][5]

http://www.ehatlas.ca/asbestos/trends/asbestos-production-canada-0

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

AreWeDrunkYet posted:

Goddmanit, is that a Confederate flag? Is that how Australians announce they're racists too?
Ha ha no. Australians don't need to announce that they're racists, it's already assumed. Flying that flag is how they brag about being racists.

Synthbuttrange posted:

The cross on blue is also the equivalent of the confederate flag here.

The Eureka flag was designed in 1854 so it predates the Confederate battle flag by almost a decade but they're pretty darn similar:


The extreme right wing political group Australia First Party (whose policies include opposing "African savagery") recently tried to register the Eureka flag as their official party logo which pissed off a lot of people. There was actually a whole bunch of PoC immigrants* who took part in the original Eureka Rebellion so it's a bit weird that it's become a symbol of anti-immigration racists.



* But not Vietnamese immigrants. The miners back in the 1850s were only somewhat tolerant

uvar
Jul 25, 2011

Avoid breathing
radioactive dust.
College Slice
A little OSHA-related puzzle for the weekend

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

uvar posted:

A little OSHA-related puzzle for the weekend



My best guesses:


Surfer’s ear (Cold water causes bone growth. People scare their kids with this one.)
Tennis elbow (still a problem)
Writer’s cramp (ditto)
Chimney sweep’s carcinoma (One of the scrotal ailments. It’s important in the history of medicine.)
Hatter’s shakes (mercury damage to the nerves)
Matchmaker’s jaw (I only know about this because radium causes a similar disease.)
Glassblower’s cataract (from infrared radiation off hot glass)
Fiddler’s neck (from squeezing the instrument against the shoulder)
Flock worker’s lung (airborne fibres)
Mule spinner’s lung (ditto)
Coal miner’s pneumoconiosis (also a lung disease, but the odd one out—caused by dust, not fibres)
Painter’s colic (None of the others have cause to ingest toxins. Painters lick brushes.)
Farmer’s cancer (I can only assume this is the other scrotal disease.)


fakedit: I swapped farmer and mule spinner. Sneaky machine oils.

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.


Splode posted:

Japan has an obsession with microvans and weird three wheeled scooters that aren't particularly popular anywhere else.

I always thought that those were a French thing as you'd see old guys trying to get them up steep hills in rural France whilst transporting a load of chickens or something.

I suspect there was some sort of tax dodge for using them like they didn't count as cars becauae that's usually how stuff like this gets started.

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

食べちゃダメだよ
Yeah, kei trucks. They have reduced taxes and are exempt from certain parking requirements.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

GotLag posted:

Wittenoom is just all sorts of hosed up. Not only did the company know that it was incredibly dangerous, the mine wasn't even profitable*. As far as I can tell, it was kept open mainly as an excuse to engage in moustache-twirling.

* "For most of the years CSR mined asbestos, the operation lost money. It struggled into profit for the five years from 1956, and then only by making its workforce work two and even three shifts a day. When the mine closed it had an accumulated debt of around $2.5 million."

And the poo poo cherry on top of the cancer sundae is what the company did once it all went public and it turned out several thousand of its employees had lethal mesothelioma.

They decided that if they had to pay out, it was cheaper to pay out to a family after the employee's death than it was to pat out when they were alive. After all, that way they didn't have to worry about hospital bills or suffering or any of that.

So they delayed. And delayed. And delayed.

They pulled every nasty trick in the book to make the proceedings take longer - changes in venues, changes in dates, paperwork errors, missing paperwork, incorrectly filed paperwork.

And the employees died. One after another they died. Slowly and in incredible agony they died. Despairing that they would never see justice, they died.

And when the time finally came that the company was forced to pay, they saved a little bit of money.


And another interesting bit of trivia, one of the heads of CSR's legal team, the person who was rumoured to have been behind their delaying tactics was a woman named Julie Bishop.

Most Australians know her better as Minister for Foreign Affairs and the Deputy Leader of the governing Liberal Party.

:australia:



EDIT: Current tally of cancer deaths from CSR's asbestos mining operations sits at just over 2000 people.


Double edit: This week has really been good at bringing up horrible loving memories from my past. I had an uncle at CSR, he took his own life rather than die of mesothelioma. His family never saw a cent from CSR.

Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Jan 15, 2017

Nuevo
May 23, 2006

:eyepop::shittypop::eyepop::shittypop::eyepop::shittypop::eyepop::shittypop::eyepop::shittypop::eyepop::shittypop::eyepop::shittypop::eyepop::shittypop:
Fun Shoe

Platystemon posted:

My best guesses:


Matchmakers jaw (I only know about this because radium causes a similar disease.)


Phossy jaw is horrifying. However, it and the radium are only related because the latter had watchmakers sucking on paint brushes covered in radium paint, causing the cancer to be localized in the mouth.

White phosphorus had a totally different, but equally horrifying method of action.

https://strangeremains.com/2015/03/01/the-horrific-disease-that-causes-jaw-bones-to-glow-in-the-dark-and-rot-away/

The industrial revolution was loving nuts.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

Powerful Two-Hander posted:

I always thought that those were a French thing as you'd see old guys trying to get them up steep hills in rural France whilst transporting a load of chickens or something.

I suspect there was some sort of tax dodge for using them like they didn't count as cars becauae that's usually how stuff like this gets started.
What you saw in France were probably Italian triporteurs with a moped engine. They should be set alight at the first opportunity.
They're taxed as mopeds and don't require a permit last time I checked. Their drivers are as skillful and respectful you'd expect.

Ambaire
Sep 4, 2009

by Shine
Oven Wrangler

Gorilla Salad posted:

And the poo poo cherry on top of the cancer sundae is what the company did once it all went public and it turned out several thousand of its employees had lethal mesothelioma.

They decided that if they had to pay out, it was cheaper to pay out to a family after the employee's death than it was to pat out when they were alive. After all, that way they didn't have to worry about hospital bills or suffering or any of that.

So they delayed. And delayed. And delayed.

They pulled every nasty trick in the book to make the proceedings take longer - changes in venues, changes in dates, paperwork errors, missing paperwork, incorrectly filed paperwork.

And the employees died. One after another they died. Slowly and in incredible agony they died. Despairing that they would never see justice, they died.

And when the time finally came that the company was forced to pay, they saved a little bit of money.

Why the gently caress can't the people in charge of companies be charged for crimes like these? Why is it always 'they just are forced to pay money'. Perhaps if we saw the CEO/etc of that company and companies like them be sent to prison for inhuman treatment of employees / delayed murder / whatever, we might see them actually pay more attention. ...

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evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

Brattan let me tell you about this thing called lobbying.

If a parent had died young from that poo poo I would have probably done something illegal. Guck these people

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