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JohnGalt
Aug 7, 2012
Do you happen to know where your HR staff got their degree from?

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DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

Hyrax Attack! posted:

We also have education discounts. You can get 5% off at Western Governors University, which looks to be a legitimate school not set up to scam the GI Bill. You can also get 10% off at University of Phoenix, Capella, and Kaplan. This was egregious enough I complained to our HR dept about these being scam schools under investigation and it was horrible to nudge employees into an abyss of debt for a worthless degree. They forwarded me a site that appeared to have been made with Geocities affirming that these were in fact, excellent schools.
It's actually fairly popular over in SH/SC as the recommended source of online-only bachelor's and master's degrees in computer science and related fields. Not something I'm in the market for myself, but if a geek with no degree and a helpdesk job or something happens to be reading this, based on what feedback I've read, you could do a hell of a lot worse than WGU.

pr0zac
Jan 18, 2004

~*lukecagefan69*~


Pillbug

Krispy Kareem posted:

The Tesla broke Consumer Report's rating system. As in they had to put a disclaimer on there because it scored so well. Consumer Report's doesn't take money from automakers.

They do acknowledge it's build quality is meh for a luxury car and the interior isn't great. But driving performance buried the needle.

They did come back later and slam Tesla for reliability, though only the Model X is still rated super badly, with the Model S having improved to average.

Teslas are good cars with their own strengths and weaknesses and are a good buy if you're rich enough to afford one. They just also have the tech bubble hype machine talking about them as the perfect vehicle designed and built single handedly by the second coming of Jesus and the requisite backlash saying they're the worst car since the Pontiac Aztek that will definitely kill you if you get with 300 meters of one so its impossible to have a sane conversation about them.

quote:

Um...it's the best iPhone.

Or at least it's the best 4 inch phone on the market. Battery life is right in the middle for a current iPhone and it has all the same radio frequencies as the iPhone 6s. If you want a smaller phone it's pretty much the only option that's not nerfed all to hell.

It regularly drives me nuts when I'll borrow my wife's SE near the end of the day and she'll have the screen brightness turned all the way up with bluetooth, location services, cell, and wifi all turned on and still have 85% battery left while I literally keep my Nexus 5x with cellular off and battery saver mode on 100% of the time in order to not run out of juice. Really miss having a 4inch screen, though the thing does feel tiny to me now. At least being forced to switch to Google Fi and using wifi constantly means my phone bill is cheap as hell now. (I guess that makes this on-topic cause I just realized this is the BWM thread and not the tech bubble one)

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you

pr0zac posted:

It regularly drives me nuts when I'll borrow my wife's SE near the end of the day and she'll have the screen brightness turned all the way up with bluetooth, location services, cell, and wifi all turned on and still have 85% battery left while I literally keep my Nexus 5x with cellular off and battery saver mode on 100% of the time in order to not run out of juice. Really miss having a 4inch screen, though the thing does feel tiny to me now. At least being forced to switch to Google Fi and using wifi constantly means my phone bill is cheap as hell now. (I guess that makes this on-topic cause I just realized this is the BWM thread and not the tech bubble one)

Google Fi is indeed cheap and cool.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

DACK FAYDEN posted:

It's actually fairly popular over in SH/SC as the recommended source of online-only bachelor's and master's degrees in computer science and related fields. Not something I'm in the market for myself, but if a geek with no degree and a helpdesk job or something happens to be reading this, based on what feedback I've read, you could do a hell of a lot worse than WGU.

You're right, sorry I didn't phrase that well. I meant that it was odd that WGU is listed next to those other places, as it would be a good use of time/money.

The Butcher
Apr 20, 2005

Well, at least we tried.
Nap Ghost

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Oh no...

One of my coworkers apparently read somewhere that biotechnology is the hot new stock to get into right now. He took a cash advance on his credit card (didn't get an exact number for how much though) and borrowed some money from his mom (he's in his 40's) to buy a bunch of biotech sector funds and wanted to use dividends to pay off the initial cash advance and have extra money to live off of each month.

He was complaining over lunch about :

1) That cash advances have a fee associated with them outside of the interest. They don't advertise that and it is unfair.
2) That he thought that dividends were a payment each month of how much the stock is worth (i.e. the fund he was invested in is about $280 dollars a share and he thought that meant he got $280 a month)
3) He just realized that the fund only pays dividends once a year.
4) His mom needs the money back soon.

Every aspect of your plan was faulty. Just... why? He has a college degree, is in his 40's, and works with money. I don't know how he did no research or made any of those assumptions.

I'm way back on this thread working my way back, so apologies if someone has already dredged this one up to revisit. Just wanted to share this while it was still fresh in my mind.

Obviously there's almost no way to make money on something like this with the CC interest taken into account, but assuming he had bought a biotech ETF in early October (original post was Oct 10), he would have been staring down about a 15% loss by the beginning of November, watching it drop every day after he'd bought it.

With that stunning level of investing experience and financial acumen, I'd bet the odds are pretty good he would have lost his nerve and bailed near a low pre-election (did you ever get a followup from him Leon?), making this incredibly stupid idea even worse.

If he was brave/stubborn+stupid and is still holding today, he would be less badly off then an earlier panic sell, currently looking at a 3.5% paper loss. But say he bought $10k worth, is currently incurring ~$150 in interest every month. So at that theoretical $10k, $800 loss if sold today (not counting fees), $1500 loss if panic sold near a low earlier.

The only winning move in this case was not to play at all.




edit: oh wait I forgot (cause I don't fuckin' use em) CC cash advances have even higher interest rates then regular purchases, so it's even worse than that. Lordy.

The Butcher fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Jan 14, 2017

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/5nsypm/can_i_quit_my_job_and_use_a_hardship_distribution/ posted:

Can I quit my job and use a "hardship distribution" to cash out my 401k? (self.personalfinance)

Basically the stress from my job is becoming too much and I'd like to give my two weeks notice and look for a new one. Once I'm unemployed can I use that as grounds to cash out my 401k? I currently have $20,000 in an employee matching 401k which has been vested. I already cashed out my stock option so which was around $4000. The exception I'm hoping would apply to me is the need to pay for my permanent residence as I am a home owner. I'm under 26 so I do not think I can use the health insurance exception because I refused my company's health insurance and remained on my parents'.

I realize how big of a risk I am taking but I am unhappy with where I am right now and want to do something to change it. I appreciate any advice to limit any combination of; 10% penalty/state tax/federal tax. Is there any benefit to moving my balance to a rollover IRA first?

https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/5nrh0p/i_am_a_22_year_old_who_is_attending_college_and/ posted:

I am a 22 year old who is attending college and would like to get involved in real estate. Is it feasible? (self.personalfinance)

Some basics-

Current debt- $20,000

Current total savings- $4,000

Total Income- $500 per month

Credit Score-700

These are all rough numbers but with these numbers, would it even be possible to buy property? If so, how expensive of a property could I obtain?

Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender

monster on a stick posted:

Can I quit my job and use a "hardship distribution" to cash out my 401k? (self.personalfinance)
Why does it never occur to these people that they can look for a new job while employed in their current, lovely one? And that they should, since it's a lot easier to get a job while you're still employed.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Haifisch posted:

Why does it never occur to these people that they can look for a new job while employed in their current, lovely one? And that they should, since it's a lot easier to get a job while you're still employed.

Work suxx and I wanna leave right goddamn now yeah gently caress u boss

Spring Heeled Jack
Feb 25, 2007

If you can read this you can read
BWM: whatever this is.

Rolo
Nov 16, 2005

Hmm, what have we here?

Haifisch posted:

Why does it never occur to these people that they can look for a new job while employed in their current, lovely one? And that they should, since it's a lot easier to get a job while you're still employed.

It's a terrible idea to quit on a limb and I'm glad I never did but man I completely agree that some jobs can be literal torture mentally and physically. I was interviewing for my current job while 100% burned out on my last one from being on call 24/7 every single day for a year. People asked how I managed to drive 30 hours from coast to coast for a new job, the answer is "with a smile."

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


canyoneer posted:

Google Fi is indeed cheap and cool.

My BWM thought today was that I could get a second, data-only sim from Google Fi, and a $700 Pixel C (tablet) to put it in.

But you see, this would be smart, because it could replace my laptop! Kinda. Maybe.

Sic Semper Goon
Mar 1, 2015

Eu tu?

:zaurg:

Switchblade Switcharoo
A tale of Bitcoin used in compulsive gambling:

https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/5niza2/80000_in_debt_no_savings_dont_know_what_to_do_next/

Some Reddit Dope posted:

The title pretty much sums up my situation.
For the past year or so I've struggled with a gambling problem that has manifested itself in day-trading Bitcoin.

As a result, I've done the following:
Maxed out 4 credit cards totalling around $40,000.
Taken out three personal loans totaling around an additional $40,000.

The interest rate for all of the loans and cards ranges from around 10% to 15%
I have around $750 in my checking account now.
I've never missed a payment on any of my accounts and my credit is good. Around 700 FICO score.
I make around $70,000 annually.

I've started alerting my friends and family of my addiction and I'm going to my first gambler's anonymous meeting tomorrow.
I have a list of all the things I need to do, and obviously the top of the list is deal with the debt.
I've spoken with a debt relief specialist and it sounds like that might be the best route. But I'd appreciate any advice this sub has to offer.

Sic Semper Goon fucked around with this message at 11:51 on Jan 14, 2017

Old Binsby
Jun 27, 2014

Ah: gambling addiction, day trading and bitcoin. A BWM holy trinity.

The nerdy middle management guy version of the house flipping, horse owning MLM-mom we've all come to know and love

SweetSassyMolassy
Oct 31, 2010

Krispy Kareem posted:

Back on topic. Remember this guy?

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/4z1xi4/yolo_used_a_9k_balance_transfer_offer_to_buy_1750/

AMD is up a pretty fair amount over the last 3 months. Almost 3 bucks a share from his purchase price. Still a lot of risk for $5k in profit (before taxes).

Little slow out the gate: going through the derail where that guy got banned...

Yeah, I posted about that guy a few weeks back. He didn't stay in. If you check that guy's post history on reddit, he sold within a month or so.



He bought mid August and when the stuff tanked in September, I bet he sold because he talks about selling "for a small profit" sometime in September/October.

HelloIAmYourHeart
Dec 29, 2008
Fallen Rib
New job, new bad with money coworkers!

So I have a coworker who moved halfway across the country and did so without most of her family's furniture, on the theory that it would be cheaper to replace than move. This would have been a good idea, had she not gone to Nebraska Furniture Mart and purchased a super nice and expensive dining room table and chairs set for Thanksgiving with a store credit card. She has been paying it off for 5 months and still owes $2500. Her husband does not know about this card.

Ok, not the worst story ever but now her son is going to college and will need student loans, so she is going to have a credit report pulled that will show all open credit cards...and her husband will discover that not only does she have this card, but that she put him down as a co-signer.

Her plan is to borrow money from her mom to pay off and close the card before the credit report gets pulled.

captkirk
Feb 5, 2010
https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/5nxxo3/selling_my_535_ct_natural_round_diamond/?st=ixxg8dyp&sh=f3000900

Someone wants to sell the 5 ct diamond. BWM buying it, BWM trying to sell it.

quote:

it's funny yes cause a 5 ct diamond in the marketplace means 120 thousand dollars at least but jewelry stores want to buy it from me for 30 thousands dollars ,,what a crap ,,and want to sell to other for 150 ..what i have to do ?! i really want it to sell it

ohgodwhat
Aug 6, 2005

quote:

i wonder why they sell diamonds to us if they will not buy it when we need to sell it !

literally the dumbest loving thing to do with $75k.

Zero One
Dec 30, 2004

HAIL TO THE VICTORS!

Rolo posted:

It's a terrible idea to quit on a limb and I'm glad I never did but man I completely agree that some jobs can be literal torture mentally and physically. I was interviewing for my current job while 100% burned out on my last one from being on call 24/7 every single day for a year. People asked how I managed to drive 30 hours from coast to coast for a new job, the answer is "with a smile."

Remember those stories about the poor Wells Fargo bankers when the scandal first broke? Like having panic attacks at work and drinking hand sanitizer?

It wasn't quite that bad for me but I was seriously considering quitting and going unemployed if I couldn't find a new job. I even considered joining the military or going back to a private trade school that would cost $100,000 for a new career that would pay $15,000.

Luckily a great company hired me and I didn't have to do anything like that. But not everyone is as lucky.

Pryor on Fire
May 14, 2013

they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

Can't you buy a bucket of artificial diamonds at wal mart for like $5 nowadays? How on earth is the loving diamond market of all things still a thing?

BonerGhost
Mar 9, 2007

HelloIAmYourHeart posted:

New job, new bad with money coworkers!

So I have a coworker who moved halfway across the country and did so without most of her family's furniture, on the theory that it would be cheaper to replace than move. This would have been a good idea, had she not gone to Nebraska Furniture Mart and purchased a super nice and expensive dining room table and chairs set for Thanksgiving with a store credit card. She has been paying it off for 5 months and still owes $2500. Her husband does not know about this card.

Ok, not the worst story ever but now her son is going to college and will need student loans, so she is going to have a credit report pulled that will show all open credit cards...and her husband will discover that not only does she have this card, but that she put him down as a co-signer.

Her plan is to borrow money from her mom to pay off and close the card before the credit report gets pulled.

It isn't possible to just put someone down as a cosigner even if you have their SSN, unless she also forged his signature, which would be fraud.

Did she add him as an authorized user instead?

Either way still poo poo to open a credit card without telling your spouse. Compelling argument for domestic violence.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



Pryor on Fire posted:

Can't you buy a bucket of artificial diamonds at wal mart for like $5 nowadays? How on earth is the loving diamond market of all things still a thing?

Marketing saying natural diamonds are worth more, stockpiling to create artificial scarcity, and a cartel to set the pricing.

Droo
Jun 25, 2003

Pryor on Fire posted:

Can't you buy a bucket of artificial diamonds at wal mart for like $5 nowadays? How on earth is the loving diamond market of all things still a thing?

You can get cubic zirconia for very cheap, but cultured diamonds are nowhere near that price.

Pryor on Fire
May 14, 2013

they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

It's hyperbole, that's what the price will be tomorrow. Just seems silly to spend any amount on diamonds with that reality.

Fuzzy Mammal
Aug 15, 2001

Lipstick Apathy
I've been waiting for lab grown diamonds to undercut the market for years and it still isn't happening for some reason. They can even make colourless ones now but nope.

George H.W. Cunt
Oct 6, 2010





GWM joining the diamond racket with your artificially created rock

crazypeltast52
May 5, 2010



The radio commercials by jewelry stores near me that sell only natural stones claim that lab stones can't be resold or pawned for as much, which seems pretty bold given the discount regular diamonds get in those situations.

Tiny Deer
Jan 16, 2012

NancyPants posted:

It isn't possible to just put someone down as a cosigner even if you have their SSN, unless she also forged his signature, which would be fraud.

Did she add him as an authorized user instead?

Either way still poo poo to open a credit card without telling your spouse. Compelling argument for domestic violence.

UHHHHHHHHHHH I'm going to assume that was a joke that fell flat there at the end.

I don't understand how these masterminds think they can get away with this. You live in the same house and get the same mail, all it takes is him idly leafing through the bills and the jig is up.

Separate, mingled, whatever you do with your money as a couple just tell each other you blew 50,000 on a horse ranch using a credit card. They're going to find out anyway so at least you get the divorce over quick.

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos
Small synthetic occluded diamonds are cheap and easy to make. Large synthetic perfect diamonds are really loving hard to make and take a long time to grow so they are actually more expensive because it turns out it's cheaper to pay a poor African with a shovel than a gas plasma lab, the chemists, the presses and the poo poo ton of power.

RheaConfused
Jan 22, 2004

I feel the need.
The need... for
:sparkles: :sparkles:
Also, didn't the husband notice the new furniture? Did he think it was free? Willful ignorance is real.

BonerGhost
Mar 9, 2007

Tiny Deer posted:

UHHHHHHHHHHH I'm going to assume that was a joke that fell flat there at the end.

I don't understand how these masterminds think they can get away with this. You live in the same house and get the same mail, all it takes is him idly leafing through the bills and the jig is up.

Separate, mingled, whatever you do with your money as a couple just tell each other you blew 50,000 on a horse ranch using a credit card. They're going to find out anyway so at least you get the divorce over quick.

Something Awful Forums>Bad With Money

HelloIAmYourHeart
Dec 29, 2008
Fallen Rib

NancyPants posted:

It isn't possible to just put someone down as a cosigner even if you have their SSN, unless she also forged his signature, which would be fraud.

Did she add him as an authorized user instead?

She specifically said "cosigner" but who really knows? :shrug: and as far as I could tell, the husband thinks the table was paid in full.

BonerGhost
Mar 9, 2007

HelloIAmYourHeart posted:

She specifically said "cosigner" but who really knows? :shrug: and as far as I could tell, the husband thinks the table was paid in full.

Nothing like a little identity theft between spouses.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

Droo posted:

You can get cubic zirconia for very cheap, but cultured diamonds are nowhere near that price.

What I find hilarious is that when you judge them by the criteria of being a piece of jewellery, cubic zirconia and diamonds are equal. Except one costs a lot more.

You can't even say that diamonds are intrinsically better from an value viewpoint : they may indeed cost a lot, but they are a lousy investment and you'd do better to buy CZ and put the money you saved in a sock under the bed.

Even buying an expensive, thoroughbred racehorse is better than buying a cheap nag as at least the extra money buys a horse that does horse stuff better.

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS

spog posted:

What I find hilarious is that when you judge them by the criteria of being a piece of jewellery, cubic zirconia and diamonds are equal. Except one costs a lot more.

You can't even say that diamonds are intrinsically better from an value viewpoint : they may indeed cost a lot, but they are a lousy investment and you'd do better to buy CZ and put the money you saved in a sock under the bed.

Even buying an expensive, thoroughbred racehorse is better than buying a cheap nag as at least the extra money buys a horse that does horse stuff better.

What about investing directly into the diamond industry? *googles DeBeers stock*

ohgodwhat
Aug 6, 2005

I thought CZ wasn't nearly as resilient as diamond.

theHUNGERian
Feb 23, 2006

I know this isn't a popular opinion, but that last derail was loving awesome. Almost like having a window seat in a restaurant while the SWAT/CIA/FBI (mods/admins/Lowtax) execute a raid right across the street.

My GWM (humble brag) story for the day: Buying second hand equipment for $95, use it for 2 years, sell it for $100 to the next second-hand buyer.
Edit: GWM: Befriending the campus cat, so I can always pet a cat when I go take a walk but I don't have to deal with a cat in my home.

theHUNGERian fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Jan 15, 2017

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

cowofwar posted:

Small synthetic occluded diamonds are cheap and easy to make. Large synthetic perfect diamonds are really loving hard to make and take a long time to grow so they are actually more expensive because it turns out it's cheaper to pay a poor African with a shovel than a gas plasma lab, the chemists, the presses and the poo poo ton of power.

On the other hand, the poor African can't make diamonds out of your dead relatives

You could have a ring on each hand with a different aunt or uncle stone!

Sic Semper Goon
Mar 1, 2015

Eu tu?

:zaurg:

Switchblade Switcharoo

Randler posted:

What about investing directly into the diamond industry? *googles DeBeers stock*

Someone's beaten you to it:

http://www.diamondportfolio.com.au/aw/welcome/smsf.php?c=ADPDN&p=financialmanagement-smsf&gclid=CIjyoKOPw9ECFYKVvAodJ54JPg

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Uncle Enzo
Apr 28, 2008

I always wanted to be a Wizard

monster on a stick posted:

Sub 26 year old with 24k I in retirement savings

I guess there's no position so good that it can't be hosed up. This person is 6 years younger than me with substantially more in retirement accounts. Not for long though I guess!

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