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General Bullshit > OSHA 0 days since last accident: Guck these people
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Jan 15, 2017 18:41
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Ambaire posted:Why the gently caress can't the people in charge of companies be charged for crimes like these? Why is it always 'they just are forced to pay money'. Perhaps if we saw the CEO/etc of that company and companies like them be sent to prison for inhuman treatment of employees / delayed murder / whatever, we might see them actually pay more attention. ... Worked with a guy who was engineer for a chemical unit that had an incident with a fatality and multiple casualties and the first advice the company lawyers gave him was to lawyer up himself because if there was a case to be made for his culpability the company was going to throw him under the bus.
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Jan 15, 2017 19:09
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Ambaire posted:Why the gently caress can't the people in charge of companies be charged for crimes like these? Why is it always 'they just are forced to pay money'. Perhaps if we saw the CEO/etc of that company and companies like them be sent to prison for inhuman treatment of employees / delayed murder / whatever, we might see them actually pay more attention. ... The law's set up in such a way that the prosecution must prove willful negligence by the individuals involved. It's incredibly hard to do by itself and without regard to how the layers between labor and management shield the higher ups. The key phrase being willful negligence since it shows up everywhere in OSHA Land. That means the accused knew the unsafe act was being committed but did nothing to stop it. Also zed up there made another excellent reason execs get off free even if they actually pushed the unsafe act: throwing someone under the bus.
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Jan 15, 2017 19:26
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Anybody with enough power to order that stuff and have it followed is also shielded by enough deniability and layers of bureaucracy you can't actually get to them without making the law too fuzzy and wide-reaching.
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Jan 15, 2017 19:35
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Which is why we need some Spec-Ops type person to go "gently caress it" and start going all Punisher on these people.
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Jan 15, 2017 19:47
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the combination of modern engineering and supply-side economics have led to upgrading the sword of damocles with a new carbon nanotube thread to replace that unreliable horse hair
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Jan 15, 2017 19:57
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Pigsfeet on Rye posted:General Bullshit > OSHA 0 days since last accident: Guck these people Gucking is my new ferish
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Jan 15, 2017 20:15
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Ambaire posted:Why the gently caress can't the people in charge of companies be charged for crimes like these? Why is it always 'they just are forced to pay money'. Perhaps if we saw the CEO/etc of that company and companies like them be sent to prison for inhuman treatment of employees / delayed murder / whatever, we might see them actually pay more attention. ... Corporations are people, my friend.
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Jan 16, 2017 00:45
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evil_bunnY posted:What you saw in France were probably Italian triporteurs with a moped engine. They should be set alight at the first opportunity. Ah yes the taxed as mopeds thing that was it! I've seen one around near me an I have no idea how the owner got it to be classed as road legal. Then again those G Whiz electric 'cars' were legal and they we basically toys so...
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Jan 16, 2017 01:40
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Platystemon posted:Corporations are people, my friend.
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Jan 16, 2017 01:57
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vortmax posted:I own a corporation. If corporations are people, do I own a slave? No, head-to-head, your personhood would lose. Nothing must be allowed to interfere with profits.
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Jan 16, 2017 02:27
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Does your corporation have employees?
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Jan 16, 2017 02:31
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vortmax posted:I own a corporation. If corporations are people, do I own a slave? Not if your corporation is a self-governing free born sovereign corporation. If it has refused to be party to any social compact or contract, then you only get to deal with the Executive Trustee for the Private Contract Trust known as CORPORATION.
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Jan 16, 2017 02:39
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The whole asbestos mess (and other WHS issues) did result in changes. http://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/sites/swa/model-whs-laws/faqs/pages/faq-officers. The new legislation can put personal liability on company officers.
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Jan 16, 2017 03:10
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KennyTheFish posted:The whole asbestos mess (and other WHS issues) did result in changes. http://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/sites/swa/model-whs-laws/faqs/pages/faq-officers. The new legislation can put personal liability on company officers. http://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/sites/swa/model-whs-laws/faqs/pages/faq-officers Extra period in your link, friend.
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Jan 16, 2017 03:24
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Ambaire posted:Why the gently caress can't the people in charge of companies be charged for crimes like these? Why is it always 'they just are forced to pay money'. Perhaps if we saw the CEO/etc of that company and companies like them be sent to prison for inhuman treatment of employees / delayed murder / whatever, we might see them actually pay more attention. ... 
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Jan 16, 2017 03:48
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If Texas hasn't tried to execute one then corporations aren't people.
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Jan 16, 2017 04:15
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Volcott posted:If Texas hasn't tried to execute one then corporations aren't people. You say that but retards def aren't people either. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jan 16, 2017 04:17
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Bip Roberts posted:You say that but retards def aren't people either. I'm gonna tell Tom Hanks you were talking poo poo.
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Jan 16, 2017 04:31
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Ambaire posted:Why the gently caress can't the people in charge of companies be charged for crimes like these? Why is it always 'they just are forced to pay money'. Perhaps if we saw the CEO/etc of that company and companies like them be sent to prison for inhuman treatment of employees / delayed murder / whatever, we might see them actually pay more attention. ... loving communist
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Jan 16, 2017 04:45
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Platystemon posted:Corporations are people, my friend. Except when it is inconvenient
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Jan 16, 2017 06:48
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KennyTheFish posted:The whole asbestos mess (and other WHS issues) did result in changes. http://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au/sites/swa/model-whs-laws/faqs/pages/faq-officers. The new legislation can put personal liability on company officers. In the past few weeks my neighbour has been called to asbestos scares in a number of schools. It's still all over the place. After a recent cyclone a gutter on my house was damaged and the whole roof had to come off. I was told it's safe to still stay in the house as work progressed HAHAAH. gently caress that. Off to a hotel for a week I went.
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Jan 16, 2017 09:03
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But it is safe. Considering everything is sealed off while the work, the air in your home was probably safer during that period than any time previous.
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Jan 16, 2017 09:05
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We've had a wonky phone line (1 out of 3) at work for months because apparently the junction box in the street is full of asbestos so they can't access it to fix the problem.
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Jan 16, 2017 09:29
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The Lone Badger posted:We've had a wonky phone line (1 out of 3) at work for months because apparently the junction box in the street is full of asbestos so they can't access it to fix the problem. Convince some tweakers that it’s full of valuable scrap metal.
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Jan 16, 2017 10:18
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Deteriorata posted:Every description of the video says it was done by the Dutch army, who had Leopards as part of their military only up until 2011. This was the first post I saw after not checking the thread for a couple days. For a second I was picturing this guy with a little flack jacket and helmet.   Presumably decommissioned because that would be OSHA as gently caress. Now I'm sad.
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Jan 16, 2017 13:27
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The Lone Badger posted:We've had a wonky phone line (1 out of 3) at work for months because apparently the junction box in the street is full of asbestos so they can't access it to fix the problem. Yeah, you can find the stuff everywhere. That's the thing about asbestos, if it wasn't for the "wholly unique and 100% lethal form of cancer" it would be the perfect material. You can find it just lying around on the ground literally ready to go with no further processing. It insulates heat and electricity to a simply insane degree. Asbestos blankets were even used to protect the shuttle during reentry from space. It's light enough to wear and sturdy enough to use in construction. It doesn't degrade or interfere with other materials. You can form it to shape just using your hands and it can even be used as light impact absorption for vehicles. If it wasn't so good at killing us, we'd probably base our entire society around it.
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Jan 16, 2017 13:50
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Charlemagne had an asbestos tablecloth.
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Jan 16, 2017 14:03
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Nuevo posted:Phossy jaw is horrifying. However, it and the radium are only related because the latter had watchmakers sucking on paint brushes covered in radium paint, causing the cancer to be localized in the mouth. Part of that is also because phosphorus and radium can both take the place of calcium in bones, and your jawbone is constantly rebuilding itself much more quickly than other bones tend to due to the strain that eating puts on it. So a lot of radium poisoning cases tend to manifest first as tooth loss and jaw issues.
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Jan 16, 2017 14:54
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Gorilla Salad posted:Yeah, you can find the stuff everywhere. This is one of those "If there is a god, he is a jerk with a really hosed up sense of humor" sort of things isn't it? Provide the perfect material for doing many things, except that it kills you.
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Jan 17, 2017 07:34
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The thing about asbestos is that most of it will not actually kill you. Only about 10% is the type that will cause mesothemioma. So some sources are deadly, like Libby, mt. Others maybe not. Or that's my memory from a geology class awhile ago.
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Jan 17, 2017 08:47
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This morning it's OSHA-3, Florida Man-0.  Same scenario that we read about all the time: person A goes into an unventilated manhole and collapses. Person B goes for the rescue and collapses. Person C goes to help and collapses. Turns out that it was a cocktail of hydrogen sulphide and methane that got them. Ventilate your confined spaces, people.http://miami.cbslocal.com/2017/01/16/crews-work-to-free-workers-in-key-largo/?e=uLXN0pHsbQKGPQ
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Jan 17, 2017 12:03
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It keeps happening! 
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Jan 17, 2017 12:06
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Pigsfeet on Rye posted:This morning it's OSHA-3, Florida Man-0. Unfortunately this happens a lot. If your buddy becomes unconscious your first instinct is to get in there and save him, but all you'll do is put yourself at risk. You really need breathing gear.
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Jan 17, 2017 12:13
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spankmeister posted:Unfortunately this happens a lot. If your buddy becomes unconscious your first instinct is to get in there and save him, but all you'll do is put yourself at risk. You really need breathing gear. Just hold your breath longer imo
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Jan 17, 2017 12:39
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Jose posted:Just hold your breath longer imo not breathing does actually seem preferable to consuming hydrogen sulphide and methane
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Jan 17, 2017 12:51
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I think one of the problems is that there's no CO2 so even though you're not getting any oxygen, you're not feeling like you're choking. Just like that missile silo guy "hmm my voice sounds deeper all of the sudden"
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Jan 17, 2017 12:56
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Ambaire posted:Why the gently caress can't the people in charge of companies be charged for crimes like these? Why is it always 'they just are forced to pay money'. Perhaps if we saw the CEO/etc of that company and companies like them be sent to prison for inhuman treatment of employees / delayed murder / whatever, we might see them actually pay more attention. ... Some states in Australia now have Industrial Manslaughter laws. Your employees die as an outcome of your actual* policies and procedures? You are an executive or a member of the board? Congratulations, you're in the running for an all-expenses-paid trip to prison. In addition to your fines. *: Meaning what's in actual common practice on your sites, not what's written in your employee handbook.
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Jan 17, 2017 13:00
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jamal posted:The thing about asbestos is that most of it will not actually kill you. Only about 10% is the type that will cause mesothemioma. So some sources are deadly, like Libby, mt. Others maybe not. Or that's my memory from a geology class awhile ago. The problems come up with contamination and application of force. Serpentine asbestos usually comes with bits of amphibole asbestos so even if the whole structure isn't actively disintegrating over time, serpenine asbestos left completely alone can still be a source of motive fibers unless its encased as in a concrete mixture. As far as application of force, fabric threads degrade and can be a source of fibers, and if you cut, drill sand, or work with asbestos materials you're going to kick up fibers. You can mitigate against this if you know where it is, but the problem is keeping track of where it is. If everyone had perfect memory and there's no such thing as an accident there are a lot of construction uses that are perfect for asbestos but as it is its one of those too perfect discoveries like DDT where we can't hope to administrate out the problems.
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Jan 17, 2017 16:34
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jamal posted:The thing about asbestos is that most of it will not actually kill you. Only about 10% is the type that will cause mesothemioma. So some sources are deadly, like Libby, mt. Others maybe not. Or that's my memory from a geology class awhile ago. Yeah, no, all forms are carcinogenic. Not to the same extent, but they will all cause mesothelioma and other cancers and asbestosis. What you might be thinking of is that there are mechanical differences between the different forms. Some are more flexible, some more readily fragment into the fibrils which will gently caress you up, so depending on the form you're dealing with it might be more or less likely to actually wind up in your lungs and tangled with your DNA. But once it does get into an airborne and inhalable form every one of them will gently caress you up.
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