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Yeah, I went in prepared to dislike it for political reasons, but it was pretty dang good. I'm not a huge fan of theme that "operators know what's up but cia 'bureaucrats' are incompetent", but it's a tradition that date back to at least Rambo 2.
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My only problem with 13 Hours is that they played what I thought at the time was a Cloverfield 2 trailer before it, and i was still so dang jazzed from that during the entire film.
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I'm pretty sure there are videos of the Somali intervention are in the opening scenes of 28 Days Later.
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CelticPredator posted:But I'm not asking anyone to fund it. Just to help me fix it. So I feel like that treatment on my work, at least that first response about the camera angles, and the MIB 2 thing, felt really mean, and uncalled for. I'm going to level with you here, I haven't read your script, but this is a really lovely attitude to have about a creative endeavor in general. One of the first rules about showing your work to someone and asking their opinion is to understand that you are asking them to look at it as if they would or would not invest in it and why. If you say "critique my work," then the person you ask is, for the duration of the critique, an investor or supervisor, not your loving friend. A script is not a sandbox. It is not practice. It is a formalized structure for storytelling, and there are rules. you absolutely should be raked over the coals for putting camera directions in a script because "no camera directions in the script" is a basic rule of scriptwriting. Yes, a lot of writer-directors break those rules, but the successful ones put their money where their mouth was and had a hell of a lot of luck, and for every one that made it, a hundred hosed their careers over irreversibly because they kept ignoring the rules and people just stopped offering to work with them after a while. If people are harsh, it's not because they get off on mocking you, it's to emphasize that they aren't joking when they say what you're doing wrong.
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I'm just asking that the person gives it a chance. That's all. I feel like that's a fair thing. And send me that poo poo in a PM, not on a public forum post, not even directed towards me. This is all about one single post in this thread. One post made me salty. Just one. Because I feel like there is now idea that I can't take criticism, or that I do not welcome it, which is completely untrue. And I just wanted to make that a 100% clear. If I sent you the script, feel free to give me the harshest beating on it. It'll hurt! But I will most likely get something out of it! CelticPredator fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Jan 15, 2017 |
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Jan 15, 2017 21:55
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Convincing CelticPredator to post his script even though he was reluctant to do so and then ridiculing it here was quite the dick move. Maybe this is how criticism is expressed in film school to people who have learned to grow a thick skin, but that's sure as hell not how you treat someone in a non-professional environment like this thread. Especially if you're not a colleague but someone who claims to be a (n internet) friend. There's a certain responsibility that comes with being in a position to give qualified critiques, and that includes not publicly making GBS threads all over well meaning amateurs who may not necessarily look up to you as a role model, but at least see you as someone whose opinion they trust and value.
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Mostly it just needs condensing. The hook is fun and the moments of surprising violence (at least in the first half that I've read) are really great and remind me of Gremlins. The toddler on page 60 absolutely needs to get eaten.
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He was bugged to finally post it because he never shuts up about it, and still hasn't even though he claimed he would. And if people have problems with the beginning, ignoring that with "give it a chance" is some bullshit.
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Jan 15, 2017 22:05
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Having your work criticized is for your edification. You only get what you take from that.
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Edification and ossification.
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married but discreet posted:Convincing CelticPredator to post his script even though he was reluctant to do so and then ridiculing it here was quite the dick move. Maybe this is how criticism is expressed in film school to people who have learned to grow a thick skin, but that's sure as hell not how you treat someone in a non-professional environment like this thread. Lmao I loving wish crits went hard in film school, I can't count the number of film school nerds I've come across in live production who can't wrap a cable and get huffy when you show then the right way. The academic seeing is infamous for being incredibly softball about criticism only for grads to suffer incredible culture shock when they enter the industry. Like, if you think this is harsh, try a crit in a moderate sized graphic design house, where the people critiquing you have an active interest in seeing you bomb out because they're competing with you for the project.
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Yea film school is not harsh at all. You create a strange bubble where you don't want to offend anyone unless you want to fall out of the social hierarchy. Then egos become inflated cause you become the artsy one or the funny one etc... and it causes stagnation. But wrapping cables are loving hardddddddddddddddd.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Assuming we're just talking narrative film and not documentary, using a rough cutoff of 2005-present, here's 15 in no real order: I'd move it even higher than that. Post-2010. I really want to find where the fringes are at these days, who's loving pissed off. That's a good list of movies though.
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Wrapping cables loving sucks. First time hanging out with more legit film people was a pretty weird experience. They were speaking film talk which is a language I've never heard, and drank coffee all the time. The worst was "Hey, Mike, can you wrap these cables up for us?" "Aw yeah man! Sure!" *10 minutes later* "Uh....um."
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TrixRabbi posted:I'd move it even higher than that. Post-2010. I really want to find where the fringes are at these days, who's loving pissed off. That's a good list of movies though. Watch Obama's America and then jerk off to Fox News.
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Death By The Blues posted:
To speak of genuinely unearned harshness, one of my first days on the job involved seeing a lighting director explode on a stagehand, who couldn't have been more than 20, for elbow-wrapping a DMX cable. Dude went so hard that the hand ended up leaving early because they were so shell shocked that they couldn't do much of anything.
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:To speak of genuinely unearned harshness, one of my first days on the job involved seeing a lighting director explode on a stagehand, who couldn't have been more than 20, for elbow-wrapping a DMX cable. Dude went so hard that the hand ended up leaving early because they were so shell shocked that they couldn't do much of anything. When X gives it to ya, he really gives it to ya.
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TrixRabbi posted:I'd move it even higher than that. Post-2010. I really want to find where the fringes are at these days, who's loving pissed off. That's a good list of movies though. Call Me Lucky (2015).
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:To speak of genuinely unearned harshness, one of my first days on the job involved seeing a lighting director explode on a stagehand, who couldn't have been more than 20, for elbow-wrapping a DMX cable. Dude went so hard that the hand ended up leaving early because they were so shell shocked that they couldn't do much of anything. Yea hence why my options leaving film school was either slave around on sets like this and maybe potentially work up the later or start a small production company and do corporate. I went with corporate. Also, have motor skill problems so it compounds with my issues in regards to wrapping cables.
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Jan 15, 2017 22:29
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In college I had to take a test on cable-wrapping.
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Magic Hate Ball posted:Watch Obama's America and then jerk off to Fox News. Fox News is the opposite of fringe.
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CPL593H posted:Make the lego pissing thing a sexually transmitted disease. It makes more sense. Plus I think the main character gender swapping all of a sudden takes focus away from the craziness of pissing loving legos. That was the plan all along. There is a scene in which the main character has unprotected sex with a giant LEGO person in a grungy bar toilet stall.
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I feel like a real under-seen gem from 2015 was Mississippi Grind. Maybe it's my love of all things Ben Mendelsohn but that movie still pops into my head occasionally.
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TrixRabbi posted:I'd move it even higher than that. Post-2010. I really want to find where the fringes are at these days, who's loving pissed off. That's a good list of movies though. Monsters: Dark Continent, Citizenfour, Selma, and Snowpiercer
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Fox News is the opposite of fringe. That's loving depressing.
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Magic Hate Ball posted:That's loving depressing. It's a propaganda machine for one half of a two-party system. Depressing maybe but unsurprising.
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Snak posted:Yeah, I went in prepared to dislike it for political reasons, but it was pretty dang good. If you've read anything about CIA bureaucrats, their incompetence should be a given. If the Cold War was decided based on the relative competence of the KGB and the CIA, the Soviets would've kicked our asses within five years. CIA was, and remains full of privileged idiots in administrative positions.
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weekly font posted:It's a propaganda machine for one half of a two-party system. Depressing maybe but unsurprising. I'm not surprised, just consistently sad.
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Spatula City posted:If you've read anything about CIA bureaucrats, their incompetence should be a given. If the Cold War was decided based on the relative competence of the KGB and the CIA, the Soviets would've kicked our asses within five years. CIA was, and remains full of privileged idiots in administrative positions. In fact, there's an entire arch-right conspiracy theory devoted to explaining how the KGB and "cultural Marxists" were so much more effective than the CIA at counter-intelligence that they easily infiltrated all levels of academia and rebel-roused the socialist anti-traditionalists who keep feeding off the teat of the otherwise perfect free-market.
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Spatula City posted:If you've read anything about CIA bureaucrats, their incompetence should be a given. If the Cold War was decided based on the relative competence of the KGB and the CIA, the Soviets would've kicked our asses within five years. CIA was, and remains full of privileged idiots in administrative positions. Yes, but if you've read anything about "operators", many of them are psychotic racists who like to spew bullshit about how badass they are. They could have made a movie where there were mistakes made by everyone, but they made a movie around a standard "white collar vs blue collar" dynamic, where the heroic blue-collar operators are held back by cowardly white-collar CIA. I don't think they needed to make the suits the bad guys in the movie, when in my limited understanding of the complicated situation, they weren't in real life. I have a general dislike for movies based on historical events where they make characters more villainous to make the narrative simpler. That's like, what fiction is for. edit: Also, I put "bureaucrat" in quotes in my original post, because while the character is certainly portrayed as a bureaucrat in the film, I would be surprised of the head of a real life field office of that size was really such an incompetent paper-pusher. Yes I know that the CIA is full of incompetent paper-pushers, but are field offices really headed by people incapable of making command decisions? I thought the problem with Benghazi was that the whole office and excuse for an embassy should't have been there because it wasn't properly set up and equipped. Not that the people who worked there were morons. But like I said, I honestly don't know very much about it. Snak fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Jan 15, 2017 |
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FreudianSlippers posted:That was the plan all along. You could hollow out a dildo for the Lego pissing scene, I'm sure there's some anatomical ones that aren't completely ridiculous in their size.
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Did you guys not read my extremely in-depth suggestions for how to do it?
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:I'm going to level with you here, I haven't read your script, but this is a really lovely attitude to have about a creative endeavor in general. One of the first rules about showing your work to someone and asking their opinion is to understand that you are asking them to look at it as if they would or would not invest in it and why. If you say "critique my work," then the person you ask is, for the duration of the critique, an investor or supervisor, not your loving friend. I mean, the whole reason "don't put camera directions in" and "only put brads in the first and third holes" are rules is because not following them will instantly cause the intern reading your script in the basement of CAA to throw it out because it proves you're not in the know. It doesn't have anything to do with the aesthetic merit of the work (and a movie script is more like a blueprint than a work of art anyway). CP said he was going to shoot it himself so criticizing stuff like that is beside the point. If he's going to try to sell it on spec then yes.
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Snak posted:I have a general dislike for movies based on historical events where they make characters more villainous to make the narrative simpler. That's like, what fiction is for. I'm not sure how you tell any story without simplifying it a bit unless you're making Andy Warhol's Empire.
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At the same time, why not make a version of the script that is just the script for people to read? Like, the barrier fir reading it is its length. The reason its long for a scriot is because it has all thesr other directions in it. Which are fine for what CP wants to do with it. But like, why not distribute the script-shaped one for feedback? edit: Hat Thoughts posted:I'm not sure how you tell any story without simplifying it a bit unless you're making Andy Warhol's Empire. I don't have a problem with simplifying a story. I have a problem with creating a villain where, before, none existed, specifically in reference to "true stories". Like how in Cinderalla Man, they make Max Baer into a villain who was glad he killed people in the ring. Snak fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Jan 15, 2017 |
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Jan 15, 2017 23:23
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The composition and angles of Orson Welles Othello is so loving good.
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There's only two moments of camera moves in the script. I believe. One is done to show how chintzy a TV show is. I don't remember the other ones. If any at all.
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blue squares posted:stay for the next showing and get better seats It was one of two preview showings and both were sold out today or else I totally would've. Movie was absolutely lovely.
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