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carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)


with two Ds, as he says, for a double dose of his PMPin

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jre
Sep 2, 2011

To the cloud ?



Agile Vector posted:

'when will you finish this story?'

*makes sharepoint gesture*

'eventually!'

lmfao

skimothy milkerson
Nov 19, 2006

Agile Vector posted:

sorry that was mean be a scrum master

*in a cpt. foo voice* scrummaging is actually very physically demanding

Valeyard
Mar 30, 2012


Grimey Drawer

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

big companies also have big referral bonuses so everybody is on the prowl for candidates 100% of the time

yeah this

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

lol if you don't maintain a spreadsheet of colleagues that you would go poaching given the opportunity

DONT THREAD ON ME
Oct 1, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Floss Finder

Bloody posted:

lol if you don't maintain a spreadsheet of colleagues that you would go poaching given the opportunity

it's called yosopos.xls

maniacdevnull
Apr 18, 2007

FOUR CUBIC FRAMES
DISPROVES SOFT G GOD
YOU ARE EDUCATED STUPID

Bloody posted:

lol if you don't maintain a spreadsheet of colleagues that you would go poaching given the opportunity

Leave no paper trail dummy, keep it all in your head.

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Skim Milk posted:

*in a cpt. foo voice* scrummaging is actually very physically demanding

:yeah:

power botton
Nov 2, 2011

Bloody posted:

lol if you don't maintain a spreadsheet of colleagues that you would go poaching given the opportunity

wait do you actually work with enough good people that you have more than like 5 people you would 100% bring anywhere?

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-
am i a 10x dev if my contract is for 40 hours a week but i actually only do work during 4?

Dr. Honked
Jan 9, 2011

eat it you slaaaaaaag

big scary monsters posted:

am i a 10x dev if my contract is for 40 hours a week but i actually only do work during 4?

links pls what the gently caress even is a 10x dev

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe

Dr. Honked posted:

links pls what the gently caress even is a 10x dev

its something that people that never left youth sociopathy like to say they are

and workaholics

Elysiume
Aug 13, 2009

Alone, she fights.

Dr. Honked posted:

links pls what the gently caress even is a 10x dev
a dev that is productive as 10 normal devs put together

Mao Zedong Thot
Oct 16, 2008


Elysiume posted:

a dev that is productive as 10 normal devs put together

When you put it that way it's a p low bar

in a well actually
Jan 26, 2011

dude, you gotta end it on the rhyme

Elysiume posted:

a dev that is productive as 10 normal devs put together

katamari developer

Elysiume
Aug 13, 2009

Alone, she fights.

VOTE YES ON 69 posted:

When you put it that way it's a p low bar
I could probably name ten devs for which zero devs are more productive than all of them put together

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-
the -10x developer whose fuckups take ten normal devs to fix

jesus WEP
Oct 17, 2004


a 10x is one that everyone else spends 90% of their time cleaning up after

jre
Sep 2, 2011

To the cloud ?



St Evan Echoes posted:

a 10x is one that everyone else spends 90% of their time cleaning up after

Aye lmao


hey guys I did this thing in 1/10 of the time it would have taken you by writing poo poo code with no tests, with an architecture that will buckle at more than 1 request/s

jre fucked around with this message at 12:15 on Jan 16, 2017

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Code fast and break things for others to clean up

jre
Sep 2, 2011

To the cloud ?



I do actually know one guy who is on a completely different level to everyone else,and can produce amazing elegant code in hours. He earns a dece 6 figgies doing research for google

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-

jre posted:

I do actually know one guy who is on a completely different level to everyone else,and can produce amazing elegant code in hours. He earns a dece 6 figgies doing research for google

this troll started off strong but the idea of a researcher who can write elegant code is just too unbelievable for me, sorry

MrMoo
Sep 14, 2000

spankmeister posted:

Code fast and break things for others to clean up

I'm doing that right now, adding a chunk of the Chromium Project codebase to easily integrate a third party library. There is no way I'm spending the months to integrate with the existing blight of a homegrown framework.

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?
I've seen a couple of people in my life that can produce great code at a rate far above everyone else. these people are extremely rare, tend to have special positions with outstanding responsibilities, and they make a shitload of money. one of them is mostly a sociopath and they put up with him because he's so good at what he does.

your average startup guy who claims to be a 10x-er is confusing working long hours with actual ability.

Progressive JPEG
Feb 19, 2003

Doing 10x correctly is mainly about being strategic with what you're spending time on. The HN crowd confuses lines of code with productivity/impact

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

Elder Postsman posted:

yeah lol. last job it took 7 years to go from 28k to 40k. i started here in 2014 at 60, after a year and a half they'd bumped me up to 75. so i'm almost where i want to be now. it's v good.

I started out at 40k, after 2 years moved to 75, in 3 weeks I move to 110.

Tatsujin
Apr 26, 2004

:golgo:
EVERYONE EXCEPT THE HOT WOMEN
:golgo:
I went from $9/hr to ~$95k in about a decade, I got no complaints

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?
I started out in the mail room and now I'm the CEO.

maniacdevnull
Apr 18, 2007

FOUR CUBIC FRAMES
DISPROVES SOFT G GOD
YOU ARE EDUCATED STUPID

We started at the bottom now we here

maniacdevnull
Apr 18, 2007

FOUR CUBIC FRAMES
DISPROVES SOFT G GOD
YOU ARE EDUCATED STUPID

And yeah, in the past 3 years I've gone up like 35k or so

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009
Really just lol if you don't job hop every 3 years for an extra 35,000$+.

Unless you have a piece of the company and it's doing really well.

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

ratbert90 posted:

Really just lol if you don't job hop every 3 years for an extra 35,000$+.

Unless you have a piece of the company and it's doing really well.

..or you get good raises. lol this never happens

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

..or you get good raises. lol this never happens

Exactly. I can job hop for 35,000 more dollars or get a 5k raise at my current place. hrm....

maniacdevnull
Apr 18, 2007

FOUR CUBIC FRAMES
DISPROVES SOFT G GOD
YOU ARE EDUCATED STUPID

ratbert90 posted:

Really just lol if you don't job hop every 3 years for an extra 35,000$+.

Unless you have a piece of the company and it's doing really well.

Mine was a job hop and a promotion and I'm feeling good about both choices

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

maniacdevnull posted:

Mine was a job hop and a promotion and I'm feeling good about both choices
As you should! There are a few articles that say you should job hop as well.

I went from 75k in Boise to 80k in Michigan, and then an honest to goodness 30k bump at the same company a year later.

It helps though that they are a 35 man company, the engineering team is 5 people, and I saved them almost a million dollars on our current project by ways of nepotism. :v:

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

the most convincing argument I made to myself in favor of changing jobs was that even though the new salary wasn't as high as I wanted it to be it still represented a larger increase in salary from my current position than all previous raises combined before accounting for new job's bonuses or lower cost of living or anything

Mao Zedong Thot
Oct 16, 2008


also new jobs are inherently less boring than old jobs

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

Progressive JPEG posted:

Doing 10x correctly is mainly about being strategic with what you're spending time on. The HN crowd confuses lines of code with productivity/impact

yeah, i know at least one guy who i think qualifies as a real 10x sort of person, but his trick is mostly that he digests problems very quickly, and is then good at actually explaining and handing off pieces off them to other people

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe
I generally like my workplace and the opportunity it's given me so I'm often hesitant about going elsewhere, especially since my previous job was a hell I should have exited about 3 years before I did

I have a friend that hops a ton abd has increased his salary a lot in the process I'm sure but his work life sounds banal as hell

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The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?
I liked my job a lot and had golden handcuffs for a while there so moving was not really an option. these days they aren't quite handcuffs anymore and while I still do some cool poo poo I bet I could find plenty of interesting stuff elsewhere

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