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RenegadeStyle1 posted:I always found the Marquis De Lafayettes life fascinating. He fought in a revolution in a foreign country and then returned home and lost everything trying to keep his own country from folding under their own revolution. "Lost everything" is a bit of an exaggeration. He had a pretty exciting life after the American Revolution. He returned to France and was elected a member of the Estates-General, wrote the Declaration of the Rights of Man with Jefferson, was commander in chief of the National Guard after the storming of the Bastille, spent a few years in jail after pissing off some radical revolutionaries*, was freed by Napoleon but declined the Emperor's offer to be ambassador to the US, got an offer to be Governor of Louisiana by Jefferson but decided to stay in France, was a member of the Chamber of Deputies after the Bourbon Restoration, but ended up opposing the tyranny of Charles X and so was offered the position of Dictator of France in 1830. He refused the offer as he didn't want to be what he fought his whole life against and instead was king-maker when he gave the crown to Louis-Philippe. After that he retired and passed way in 1834. quote:On 20 May 1834, Lafayette died on 6 rue d'Anjou-Saint-Honoré in Paris (now 8 rue d'Anjou in the 8th arrondissement of Paris) at the age of 76. He was buried next to his wife at the Picpus Cemetery[187] under soil from Bunker Hill, which his son Georges Washington sprinkled upon him. Probably some of the most memorable tributes to him came a century later... quote:On July 4, 1917, shortly after the U.S. entered World War I, Colonel Charles E. Stanton visited the grave of Lafayette and uttered the famous phrase "Lafayette, we are here." After the war, a U.S. flag was permanently placed at the grave site. Every year, on Independence Day, the flag is replaced in a joint French-American ceremony. The flag remained even during the German occupation of Paris during World War II. *Speaking of Hamilton... his sister-in-law Angelica tried to help Lafayette escape from prison. She and her husband got him out but he was recaptured. Zero One has a new favorite as of 01:22 on Jan 15, 2017 |
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Yeah saying he lost everything was a bit of hyperbole. I guess I meant the the juxtaposition of him being so popular in America lore and going back to France and being pretty unpopular for a while. The Americans also tried to break him out of prison once. It's also pretty cute that he named his kid George Washington. You edited in the prison break part before I posted!
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Jan 15, 2017 01:28
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:Hernan Cortez was probably not seen as a God by the Aztecs. Most natives in that area were hostile with him or entered into mutually beneficial, if not naive, alliances with him. Most of the story about Montezuma thinking Cortez was a God was actually probably spread later. Cortez himself never really mentions the aztecs seeing him as a God and there's no real mention to it until about 40 years after Spain destroyed the empire. Hernan Cortez is also responsible for one of the most super-villainesque line uttered by a real person: Hernan Cortez posted:We Spaniards know a sickness of the heart that only gold can cure.
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Jan 15, 2017 01:34
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:Yeah saying he lost everything was a bit of hyperbole. I guess I meant the the juxtaposition of him being so popular in America lore and going back to France and being pretty unpopular for a while. The Americans also tried to break him out of prison once. It's also pretty cute that he named his kid George Washington. Even his time in prison is interesting! quote:Frederick William II of Prussia, Austria's ally against France, had once received Lafayette, but that was before the French Revolution—the king now saw him as a dangerous fomenter of rebellion, to be interned to prevent him from overthrowing other monarchies.[134]
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I browsed for a bit in Wikipedia and found out that the current Belgian king's mother is a matrilineal descendant of that Lafayette.
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Jan 15, 2017 04:53
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This is the oldest known globe that represents the new world: It was made in 1504, its inscribed on an ostrich egg and even have place on it where it says “HIC SVNT DRACONES”.
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That is amazing, especially "here be dragons" It kinda looks like it's the "bottoms" of two eggs put together, to get a more spherical shape
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Reminded me of the Skálholt Map. It is primarily a description of Greenland, but it also attempts to show Vinland (North America) which Leifur Eiríksson "discovered"/explored ca. 1000 CE. Folio 11r shows "Terra Florida" bottom left. There, signatures G & H are respectively Einfœtingeland (Onefootingland), "which is said to be inhabited by a strange people who have naught but the one leg" and Einhyrningeland (Onehorningland), "where there are said to be unicorns" (my translation).  Link to digitized manuscript at the Danish Royal Library: http://www.kb.dk/permalink/2006/manus/678/eng/11+recto/ E: Also the full title of the manuscript is quite something: "The Description of Greenland; Collected from Icelandic Antiquities by a Curious Man on Iceland by name Biørn Jonsøn at Skarsaa; but put in Danish and with some marginalibus (marginalia) explained. Item (latin for same or likewise) with several Mappis Geographicus expanded by Theodoro Thorlacio Isl: Anno 1669" Carthag Tuek has a new favorite as of 20:55 on Jan 16, 2017 |
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Jan 16, 2017 20:35
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Does that one peninsula on Terra Florida say "America"?
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Jan 16, 2017 22:46
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"America pars" = "part of America" in latin. What's weirder is that Albania is apparently on the Florida coast there too.
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Powaqoatse posted:What's weirder is that Albania is apparently on the Florida coast there too. Maybe its supposed to be Nova Scotia? "Alba" meaning Scotland?
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Oh the map is from 1669. Sorry, I thought it was pre-Colombian.
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Albania Albania You border on the Adriatic Your land is mostly mountainous And your chief export is chrome
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Jaramin posted:Maybe its supposed to be Nova Scotia? "Alba" meaning Scotland? That makes a lot of sense, that's probably it. Zero One posted:Oh the map is from 1669. Sorry, I thought it was pre-Colombian. I don't think there are any confirmed pre-Columbian European maps that show America. The Vinland Map (supposedly 15th century, so supposedly earlier than Columbus) is a candidate, but it's pretty controversial. The parchment has been dated to "between 1423 and 1445", but the ink is problematic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinland_map It is a fact though, that vikings explored North America, Newfoundland in particular. Remains of a settlement have been found in L'Anse aux Meadows: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Anse_aux_Meadows Carthag Tuek has a new favorite as of 23:16 on Jan 16, 2017 |
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Powaqoatse posted:I don't think there are any confirmed pre-Columbian European maps that show America. There was a Donald Duck comic about this. 
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Powaqoatse posted:That makes a lot of sense, that's probably it. portuguese might have had some but they burned when the great earthquake hit in 1755
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Wasn't there something about how the Basques may have been visiting North America but were keeping it secret because it was a great spot for fishing/whaling that nobody else knew about? Ottoman map from the late 1700s depicting the newly formed United States. 
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I vaguely remember reading somewhere that some Algonquin (I think) surprised some European by speaking Basque. Might be a legend & I have no idea where I read it, it's at least 20 years ago. That Ottoman map is sweet as heck though
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Powaqoatse posted:I vaguely remember reading somewhere that some Algonquin (I think) surprised some European by speaking Basque. Might be a legend & I have no idea where I read it, it's at least 20 years ago. There is the possibility that Basque fishermen were going as far west as to the American coast well before Columbus. When Jacques Cartier "discovered" the mouth of the St Lawrence river in 1535, he also discovered hundreds of Basque fishing boats there hunting for cod. And the fishermen of Bristol noticed in the 1480s that their Basque competitors were bringing back cod that was already dried which they couldn't have done on the boat. This is far from being hard evidence that Basque fishermen really knew about America pre-Columbus though. The Algonquin-Basque pidgin you mentioned probably goes back to ~1530 and had its peak from the 1580s to the 1630s before eventually vanishing again sometime during the early 18th century. It's not attested to be any older than that afaik.
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I remember learning in elementary school that the Pilgrims showed up in Massachusetts and ran across some local dude Squanto who randomly just happened to speak English, but I don't remember being taught the (actually really interesting) backstory as to why there was a local native dude who spoke English. When I talk to other people they have the same recollection. But it makes me wonder if our teachers actually didn't tell us the backstory or if we all just forgot it and then it was funnier later to for us make jokes about how some local guy spoke English for no apparent reason at all. You get what I mean?
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System Metternich posted:There is the possibility that Basque fishermen were going as far west as to the American coast well before Columbus. When Jacques Cartier "discovered" the mouth of the St Lawrence river in 1535, he also discovered hundreds of Basque fishing boats there hunting for cod. And the fishermen of Bristol noticed in the 1480s that their Basque competitors were bringing back cod that was already dried which they couldn't have done on the boat. This is far from being hard evidence that Basque fishermen really knew about America pre-Columbus though. Thanks! It's interesting how on point the Basques apparently were; I mean there weren't any Native American + Scandinavian/Dutch/German pidgins so far as I know. I wonder if the Basques were more interested in teaching others (parts of) their language than other European linguistic nations? Some interesting citations here (scroll down): http://glottolog.org/resource/languoid/id/basq1252
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On of my absolute favorite historical stories involves Caligula. At one point during his reign (when he was still popular) he became gravely ill and was close to death. There was intense mourning and prayer and multiple rich men promised they would fight as gladiators if he would be spared. Caligula survived his illness to much celebration. He then had all those rich dudes thrown in the Coliseum to fight wild animals and gladiators. I just love the idea of these dudes looks of "Oh poo poo" when he called them on their bluff.
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OldTennisCourt posted:On of my absolute favorite historical stories involves Caligula. Didn't Caligula likely get some form of syphilis or something that made him crazy so when he recovered he went from being a clever roman noble to a bloodthirsty maniac?
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Caligula was an rear end, but holding those dudes to their exact words was cool ⁊ good.
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I think syphilis was one of the few diseases that Europe caught from the new world. He was probably just nuts from being born in a warzone, adopted into a weird incestuous family & then being given everything he pointed at but yeah 420 force patricians to battle to the death erryday
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Caligula is super interesting. Nah, dude was always loving nuts but I do think that after that illness he became way worse. When he first gained power he got everyone on his side by doing poo poo like forgiving all debts and having massive festivals and fights CONSTANTLY. This of course drained the enormous amount of money the previous ruler had accumulated. An effect of this was that the Coliseum shows got real lovely. Like old rear end starved lions pacing around and getting killed by lovely fighters. During one of those fights some dudes started mocking it and Caligula got mega pissed and had all of them round up, had their tongues cut out and forced to fight for the crowd. He also got money by doing poo poo like abducting rich people and basically mugging them by making them sign him over all their poo poo in a will and killing them. He eventually got to the point where he was doing insane poo poo like making his favorite horse a political figure, dressing up a little kid as his dead sister and declaring himself god and making legions of soldiers "Fight Poseidon" by going to the ocean and slashing it with their weapons and getting his treasure of seashells.
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please don't cut & paste Crusader Kings letsplays.
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Powaqoatse posted:but yeah 420 force patricians to battle to the death erryday Tomorrow would be lovely.
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OldTennisCourt posted:Caligula is super interesting. Nah, dude was always loving nuts but I do think that after that illness he became way worse. So like our modern day golden age of television means the bread and circuses are working fine? Everything'll be alright?
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One of Caligula's sisters was Agrippina the Younger. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrippina_the_Younger quote:After her thirteenth birthday in 28, Tiberius arranged for Agrippina to marry her paternal first cousin once removed Gnaeus Domitius Ahenobarbus and ordered the marriage to be celebrated in Rome. [...] According to Suetonius, Domitius was a wealthy man with a despicable and dishonest character, who, according to Suetonius, was "a man who was in every aspect of his life detestable" And that baby was the future emperor Nero. Who subsequently tried to kill Agrippina with a trapped boat (either designed to sink itself or crush her with a collapsing ceiling over the bed, it's unclear) because (in part) she wouldn't stop mocking his girlfriends. This failed and he ended up having to send assassins.
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It's worth mentioning that both Caligula and Nero spent their lives stripping power away from the senators and upper crust of Roman society, and those were the people that wrote the histories. Suetonius in particular was known as a gossip and slanderer. So while Nero and Caligula were pretty bad guys, a lot of the more fanciful tales about them are likely at least exaggerated.
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im convinced that the roman historians are correct in asserting that nero & caligula were into golden moscow showers & theres nothing you can do about it
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Powaqoatse posted:please don't cut & paste Crusader Kings letsplays. http://imgur.com/a/lYnST
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Powaqoatse posted:im convinced that the roman historians are correct in asserting that nero & caligula were into golden moscow showers & theres nothing you can do about it oh that's nothing compared with what they wrote: Suetonius on Tiberius' Sex Life [43.1] On retiring to Capri he devised a pleasance for his secret orgies: teams of wantons of both sexes, selected as experts in deviant intercourse and dubbed analists, copulated before him in triple unions to excite his flagging passions. [43.2] Its bedrooms were furnished with the most salacious paintings and sculptures, as well as with an erotic library, in case a performer should need an illustration of what was required. Then in Capri's woods and groves he arranged a number of nooks of venery where boys and girls got up as Pans and nymphs solicited outside bowers and grottoes: people openly called this "the old goat's garden," punning on the island's name.note [44.1] He acquired a reputation for still grosser depravities that one can hardly bear to tell or be told, let alone believe. For example, he trained little boys (whom he termed tiddler) to crawl between his thighs when he went swimming and tease him with their licks and nibbles. Unweaned babies he would put to his organ as though to the breast, being by both nature and age rather fond of this form of satisfaction.
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Hogge Wild posted:oh that's nothing compared with what they wrote: this is pretty much the playboy mansion
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So, did he make it through pledge week?
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On the subject of Roman Emperors, Didius Julianus is one of the lesser known emperors, being one of the four emperors who didn't make it through the Year of Five Emperors. What makes him stand out is the unorthodox way he ascended to the throne. The Praetorian Guard had murdered the previous emperor, Pertinax, because they'd become lazy sloths and he wanted to restore discipline and make them actually work fighting battles and poo poo instead of lounging about Rome. Then they decided to auction off the position of emperor, which Julianus, being from a wealthy Milanese family, won. The reaction of basically everyone in the empire to this was naturally not so good, and basically everyone turned against him, and three different pretenders were declared emperor. The Praetorian Guard, being lazy and useless and with little actual fighting experience, were little match for the armies of Severus, and immediately surrendered by handing over the ringleaders of the assassination plot against Pertinax. Didius Julianus was executed for his troubles.
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C.M. Kruger posted:Who subsequently tried to kill Agrippina with a trapped boat (either designed to sink itself or crush her with a collapsing ceiling over the bed, it's unclear) Powaqoatse posted:please don't cut & paste Crusader Kings letsplays.
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Watching The Great War series from the start again this little fact got a chuckle from me, approximately 2 million Russian men married to avoid the draft, I can picture it now. Vlad - "hey uh neighbour, you don't hate me right?" Anna - "uh, not really why" Vlad - "please for the love of god marry me and save my life!"
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