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GodFish posted:Flipflop's stance on being blasted flipflopped. Redicu-prediction - the turtle's opinion on everything changes w/ the direction of its hat.
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It's not surprising Flipflop is scared of his new partner. Tools are the result of injured spirits looking for somewhere to hide while they heal, and so far several tool-spirits we've met were beaten by Spectrals and later employed by them. Kinda like Pokemon except taking the whole "beat up and capture creatures to fight for you" concept more seriously, although supposedly spirits can murder their Spectral hosts (like when Max was warned Scrapdragon could kill him) so I don't know how they manage to compel powerful spirits like the Storm God to obey. I wonder if there are many cases of spirits partnering with Spectrals without possessing them or an object? Or if there are benefits to the possession that'd mean even a healthy spirit might want to possess an object or person if they're teaming up. Eightfold, for example, seemed happy enough with her arrangement, although she did have to slice herself in half to return to the book.
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I personally find it interesting that Eightfold told Isabel not to hit her next spirit partner, and Flipflop is freaking out within 5 seconds of them meeting, begging not to be hit.
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Dolash posted:It's not surprising Flipflop is scared of his new partner. Tools are the result of injured spirits looking for somewhere to hide while they heal, and so far several tool-spirits we've met were beaten by Spectrals and later employed by them. Kinda like Pokemon except taking the whole "beat up and capture creatures to fight for you" concept more seriously, although supposedly spirits can murder their Spectral hosts (like when Max was warned Scrapdragon could kill him) so I don't know how they manage to compel powerful spirits like the Storm God to obey. Well, the Storm God is possessing Isaac, which presumably means it was beaten and still isn't powerful enough to leave, and therefor killing him would make things worse for it, not better. Also he's got his weird code and whatnot but that's tangential. Think back to Boss Leader in Max's head, when she caught the little wispy Scrapdragon. That's what the Storm God (or any other possessing spirit) would be like if they prematurely offed their hosts. Not a good place to be; possessing a tool or person is a last act of desperation, and they'd be right there again. As for spirits partnering with spectrals, that's Zarei's whole thing. The Ghost Train being the biggest example; it wasn't in an object until it got its head crushed, it was just a free (but tame, prior to grudging out) spirit, and she has others under her control too. Also I guess the Doorman and such count, but they have an agenda. Meanwhile, with Eightfold, she was kind of weak outside her book (that's why she could leave it so often), so her chances of survival alone probably weren't really that great. I don't think most spirits would willingly go for that; most of the benevolent-ish ones we've seen now have been partners for a while. I'm kind of curious how things like Lucifer's relationship with Spender started; I kind of doubt he willingly became a pair of sunglasses. Though, thinking back, one thing about tools is that they attract their owners to them, so, that's probably part of it too. ...Which makes me wonder if that'll matter with Flipflop and Isabel, since she was just given the umbrella rather than it "calling" to her or whatever. (Probably not, though.) Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Jan 18, 2017 |
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Roland Jones posted:...Which makes me wonder if that'll matter with Flipflop and Isabel, since she was just given the umbrella rather than it "calling" to her or whatever. (Probably not, though.)
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is the umbrella going to turn into something or was it already something and turned into a trash umbrella
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it's gonna do that thing bad umbrellas do where it flips outward in a strong wind, only all the time.
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oddium posted:is the umbrella going to turn into something or was it already something and turned into a trash umbrella I'm assuming the former. It'll probably get trashier and/or turtlier. snucks posted:I'm guessing Isabel's grandpa has intentionally given her weak and timid spirits so that she doesn't become physically or emotionally dependent on them. Yeah, we'll probably explore something more like this than whether or not Isabel being chosen or whatever is important. More interesting. Also probably a lot darker; what we've seen of Francisco and Isabel's relationship already isn't that great, and now we're getting this too.
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Roland Jones posted:Well, the Storm God is possessing Isaac, which presumably means it was beaten and still isn't powerful enough to leave, and therefor killing him would make things worse for it, not better. Also he's got his weird code and whatnot but that's tangential. Think back to Boss Leader in Max's head, when she caught the little wispy Scrapdragon. That's what the Storm God (or any other possessing spirit) would be like if they prematurely offed their hosts. Not a good place to be; possessing a tool or person is a last act of desperation, and they'd be right there again. Storm God presumably wasn't put down by Isaac in the first place, since he doesn't seem like he'd have that mojo even if he was a spectral prior to possession. Storm God also seems to have an agenda regarding JUSTICE and poo poo that Isaac can presumably get on board with, so the spirit probably figures he's better off trying to get Isaac to work with him rather than immediately escaping the moment he's able. Scrapdragon is a completely different story. It's a grudge, like that bat spirit from way back at the start of the comic. Running on nothing but fear and survival instinct. It's lashing out because it's goddamn terrified. It would kill Max because it's scared of him and isn't in a good enough state to think rationally. That might change with time, if spirits can recover from grudgehood. Which begs an interesting question. If pushed hard enough, would Flipflop become a grudge?
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Slime posted:Storm God presumably wasn't put down by Isaac in the first place, since he doesn't seem like he'd have that mojo even if he was a spectral prior to possession. Storm God also seems to have an agenda regarding JUSTICE and poo poo that Isaac can presumably get on board with, so the spirit probably figures he's better off trying to get Isaac to work with him rather than immediately escaping the moment he's able. Scrapdragon is a completely different story. It's a grudge, like that bat spirit from way back at the start of the comic. Running on nothing but fear and survival instinct. It's lashing out because it's goddamn terrified. It would kill Max because it's scared of him and isn't in a good enough state to think rationally. That might change with time, if spirits can recover from grudgehood. Oh yeah, all that's relevant too. I was more going into why no possessing spirit would want to kill their host, prematurely at least. Being a powerless wisp is not ideal, and is again why they had to go and possess someone/something in the first place. I just used the Storm God as an example since it was mentioned in the original post, and also he's one of the few examples of possessing spirits we know anything about. quote:Which begs an interesting question. If pushed hard enough, would Flipflop become a grudge? Possibly? I don't think it's the right kind of fear there, at least right now, but there's probably that point for every spirit.
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Countblanc posted:Oh hell yes boys and girls, it's time for ethics, I knew zach wouldn't let us down The last panel of strong female protagonist covers ethics pretty well already  
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Isn't the reason that they keep stuff from Isaac because of the storm spirit possessing him?
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it's because he did something that made dimitri leave the club, is my theory
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 The blackouts on this comic aren't absolute, so you can tell what's under them if you do some photoshop trickery. edit: Also the spirit languages are decipherable but I have no idea how to read them. Kazy fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Jan 18, 2017 |
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Kazy posted:
The pixeldog language is much more complicated.
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I'm assuming Zack knew people were going to crack those black bars since honestly that's something Spender should actually tell Isaac. Sure they want to keep the secrets of their organization from the Storm God, but "I can't tell you anything yet because you're possessed by a potentially hostile spirit" is not really one of those secrets. Of course we already know Spender is a pathological secret-keeper and just a bad teacher in general so it's hardly surprising he fucks up even basically managing Isaac's situation.
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Kazy posted:
Oh hey, cool. Do we know if it's Spender doing that, or Lucifer?
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PhysicsFrenzy posted:Oh hey, cool. Do we know if it's Spender doing that, or Lucifer? Well, if you want to keep the 4th wall intact, you can imagine that the censored bits are just loud screeches. Kinda like "Isaac, I know you're very frustrated, and I feel very  about that, but to with "
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neogeo0823 posted:Well, if you want to keep the 4th wall intact We most certainly do not
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PhysicsFrenzy posted:Flipflop's power can be used super creatively and I am excited to see where this goes. But also, drat, rough implications on this page. Yeah, it's a very good nen power/stand/shonen bullshit.
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If FlipFlop flips a projectile like a rock, spear, or arrow, does it keep going in the same direction? I mean, getting bonked with the blunt end of a spear is better than getting stabbed with the pointy end, but still... If he flipped a missile/rocket though, it would get turned around, so he's got that going at least.
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Flip the polarity of magnets and stuff, completely counter Max's/Scrapdragon's powers. Flipflop is the superior trash spirit here.
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*powers up* *accidentally flips gravity, everyone rockets away into space* 
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Renaissance Robot posted:*powers up* "Do over! Do over!" *flips gravity back to normal after everyone had already climbed like ten thousand feet in the air*
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Tupperwarez posted:If FlipFlop flips a projectile like a rock, spear, or arrow, does it keep going in the same direction? I mean, getting bonked with the blunt end of a spear is better than getting stabbed with the pointy end, but still... Good point. It *should* keep going with a velocity in the original direction and (neglecting things like air friction, torque, etc. due to spinning something midair) in the case of a still-burning missile/rocket, an acceleration in the opposite direction. Easy solution: instead of flipping the bullet, he has to time it right and flip the gun  Or maybe he can flip the laws of physics on their head and swap the velocity vector too Cat Mattress posted:"Do over! Do over!" 
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Renaissance Robot posted:*powers up* 
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Huh, well I can't rule out that I just misread it the first time, but did all the instances of Beat get changed to Blast or was it always like that?
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Unhappy Meal posted:Huh, well I can't rule out that I just misread it the first time, but did all the instances of Beat get changed to Blast or was it always like that? It was always like that.
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That forehead... is his super power mind rays?
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ThaumPenguin posted:That forehead... His powers are... vast
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Terrible and great.
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I've finally done it, I've achieved bafflement
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ThaumPenguin posted:I've finally done it, I've achieved bafflement Such is the might of Stardust.
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Roland Jones posted:Flip the polarity of magnets and stuff, completely counter Max's/Scrapdragon's powers. Flipflop is the superior trash spirit here. Flip the chirality of everyone's dna and amino acids and watch the fuckups (slowly) happen
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Another update. Isabel says what we're all thinking.
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Roland Jones posted:Another update. Isabel says what we're all thinking. No... it's a wrist-saving abstract color background! I guess that explains that.
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oh boy i cant wait to definitely care about those shadows in the first panel
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A stage? He must be putting on a play. This development really flips the script.
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When angry, FlipFlop is capable of literally flipping the bird (provided a bird is available nearby).
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