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Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

ConfusedUs posted:

I knew you were gonna make this post lol

Point still stands. You can't fit a fully-kitted Whisper AND a fully-kitted hotcop RAC in the same list. :(

I am nothing if not consistent. :v:

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Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



Channeled my inner Strobe tonight and went 2-1 with Rogue Squadron :getin:

Rogue Squadron (97)

Wedge Antilles (32) - X-Wing
Adaptability (0), R5-P9 (3), Integrated Astromech (0)

Luke Skywalker (33) - X-Wing
Veteran Instincts (1), R2-D2 (4), Integrated Astromech (0)

Wes Janson (32) - X-Wing
Veteran Instincts (1), R3-A2 (2), Integrated Astromech (0)

The only game worth noting was my 3rd game. It was vs a fully-kitted Fenn Rau (Fearlessness, Concord Dawn title, Stealth Device), Talonbane Cobra (Fearlessness, Glitterstim), and Satan's partybus with all the trappings on board (Dengar, Zuckuss, 4-LOM, and something else I think). That was the most conservative I've ever played in my life; me and the guy I was playing against both realized that something would likely die in the first exchange, so we tried to play the position game and had our ships turn in for the killing on the same turn (like turn 4, extremely late for us). Wes lost a shield, Wedge died outright, and Luke was untouched in the first exchange; in turn, Cobra took a crit and Fenn took 2 damage, so it wasn't the worst position to be in. Wes and Luke both danced with Fenn and Cobra, until Cobra killed Wes and Luke was able to bring down the partybus. Luke then proceeded to murder Cobra before getting into a Range 1 joust with Fenn to end the game. I'm going to play with this and with a T-70 XXX to see which one feels better before taking it to a tournament up in Raleigh in a few weeks.

Admiral Joeslop
Jul 8, 2010




Why Adaptability instead of Predator or something else?

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW
All PS10s. That said, I don't think regen is the way to go on Wedge. He will die, and it will be far too quickly to use that astro, especially if you're using focus on offense. Save a couple points, and you can take a better EPT to pump up either your offense or defense. Predator is great for stressless action economy, Juke and R3 are good for pumping defense at the cost of reliability, you could fit Opportunist plus an R2 Astro for absolutely hideous firepower firing after Wes. I, personally, ran Predator and R2 Astro on Wedge for literally years.

Admiral Joeslop
Jul 8, 2010




I find BB-8 to be useful on Wedge as well. You don't have many greens for it but it lets him... we into a place he might not have before.

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



Admiral Joeslop posted:

Why Adaptability instead of Predator or something else?

Strobe hit it, but I needed PS10 to keep Rau or Cobra from utterly annihilating me if they got to R1 and were able to trip their abilities; against this guy i needed to out-PS his aces. I'll check out tweaking the astros, realistically I could Adapability Luke and Wes up to 9 and save some points to dump into an EPT for Wedge, or PtL w/ a generic R2/R7-T1 to get into a real comedy option.

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

Icon Of Sin posted:

Strobe hit it, but I needed PS10 to keep Rau or Cobra from utterly annihilating me if they got to R1 and were able to trip their abilities; against this guy i needed to out-PS his aces. I'll check out tweaking the astros, realistically I could Adapability Luke and Wes up to 9 and save some points to dump into an EPT for Wedge, or PtL w/ a generic R2/R7-T1 to get into a real comedy option.

You don't need to out PS things if you can match it and defer initiative with a bid. R2 Astro and Predator, or R3 and Juke, or BB-8 and like Lone Wolf or something leaves you a 2 point bid, which is even at worst with most, though I've seen Fenn lists go down to 97 recently.

Talonbane is made of tissue paper and dreams, though, so I wouldn't be horribly worried about it as long as you're using Wes intelligently and threatening any good approaches to Wedge's blindside.

always be closing
Jul 16, 2005
What a cool game. Would anyone mind posting some favorite gameplay videos or "battle reports"?

Seems like there are a ton of different squad configurations that players try out, during my first hour of youtubing. Almost like deckbuilding in magic, I am ready to burn my hard earned dollars.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
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always be closing posted:

What a cool game. Would anyone mind posting some favorite gameplay videos or "battle reports"?

Seems like there are a ton of different squad configurations that players try out, during my first hour of youtubing. Almost like deckbuilding in magic, I am ready to burn my hard earned dollars.

The "Trinity Squad Gaming" youtube channel has the best battle reports for mid-to-competitive play. "Team Covenant" has the best ones for high-level play.

I'm a big fan of TSG's "fly loose mondays" where they try out weird lists submitted by fans

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



If you want to jump right in and dominate a step ahead of the meta, it's hard to overstate how much mastery and insight the MiniWargaming guys have.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Pac-Manioc Root posted:

If you want to jump right in and dominate a step ahead of the meta, it's hard to overstate how much mastery and insight the MiniWargaming guys have.

I think they gave on up on X-wing. I think all they do is Warhams now.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
ROLL INITIATIVE!!





Pac-Manioc Root posted:

If you want to jump right in and dominate a step ahead of the meta, it's hard to overstate how much mastery and insight the MiniWargaming guys have.

lol

(Those guys are terrible, you know it, why would you do that to a new player?)

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



ConfusedUs posted:

lol

(Those guys are terrible, you know it, why would you do that to a new player?)

Ah I think all great strategists understand the philosophy of sabotaging your potential opposition before they're a threat. Should I face him at a system open and see a MWG list, I will have won before taking the field, Sun Tsu style.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d696t3yALAY

Owlbear Camus fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Jan 18, 2017

AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007

Combat Poo-neuvers.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
ROLL INITIATIVE!!





Finster Dexter posted:

I think they gave on up on X-wing. I think all they do is Warhams now.

Oh thank god. They were terrible. Probably still are, but at least I DGAF about warhammer

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
In warhammer, the rules barely matter, anyway.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010

Against All Tyrants

Ultra Carp
40K is all about finding contrived ways to either roll or re-roll more dice than your opponent. I love it dearly, but it's not something to take seriously if you value your blood pressure.

SuperKlaus
Oct 20, 2005


Fun Shoe
Why are people taking Expertise on Rey? It relieves her of the burden of focusing for attack...and her only other action choice is target lock, which is of very low use to her thanks to her innate blank rerolls. Is the idea that it's still strong enough for those out-of-arc shots?

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
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Save the focus for defense

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

SuperKlaus posted:

Why are people taking Expertise on Rey? It relieves her of the burden of focusing for attack...and her only other action choice is target lock, which is of very low use to her thanks to her innate blank rerolls. Is the idea that it's still strong enough for those out-of-arc shots?

It also helps when you are in situations where you've picked up a stress token. With Kanan, Rey should never become stressed from the TFA title, but if she does for whatever reason, you can still use the title, since you pick the order of execution. In that scenario, you do your 3 bank, remove a stress, do a 180, pick up a stress. Obv you are out of actions but it's ok because Rey has Expertise.

Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

"LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"

Finster Dexter posted:

It also helps when you are in situations where you've picked up a stress token. With Kanan, Rey should never become stressed from the TFA title, but if she does for whatever reason, you can still use the title, since you pick the order of execution. In that scenario, you do your 3 bank, remove a stress, do a 180, pick up a stress. Obv you are out of actions but it's ok because Rey has Expertise.

Uh....might want to reread Expertise, champ.

KongGeorgeVII
Feb 17, 2009

Flow like a
harpoon
daily and nightly.
Expertise doesn't work when you are stressed.

e: too slow :(

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Some Numbers posted:

Uh....might want to reread Expertise, champ.

Oh, I forgot about that. I am bad at word cards

Baron Fuzzlewhack
Sep 22, 2010

ALIVE ENOUGH TO DIE
I don't remember if anyone else confirmed it, but my store just got the official word on the release of the rest of Wave 10: Thursday, February 2nd.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
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Baron Fuzzlewhack posted:

I don't remember if anyone else confirmed it, but my store just got the official word on the release of the rest of Wave 10: Thursday, February 2nd.

Fuuuck if that's true then wave X will be legal for my local regional on the 25th of Feb.

The rest of Wave X is full of weird poo poo that's gonna shake things up A LOT. I'm not sure how much I like that. :(

Raged
Jul 21, 2003

A revolution of beats

ConfusedUs posted:

Fuuuck if that's true then wave X will be legal for my local regional on the 25th of Feb.

The rest of Wave X is full of weird poo poo that's gonna shake things up A LOT. I'm not sure how much I like that. :(

Yep, I have a few tournaments that are going to be shaken up by this and Nationals are coming up soon. Think we will be seeing more upsilon builds than anything else.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
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Raged posted:

Yep, I have a few tournaments that are going to be shaken up by this and Nationals are coming up soon. Think we will be seeing more upsilon builds than anything else.

Yeah I think the Upsilon (with its coordinate action) and the Kylo Ren condition are going to make a big splash. The Quadjumper's free tractor beam tokens and the assorted jank from Sabine's TIE are probably also going to shake things up.

I posted about this a page or two ago.

Finster Dexter
Oct 20, 2014

Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.
Speaking of which, looking at Lt Dormitz, what are some imperial ships you'd want to start way out front at range 2? I guess you could basically guarantee getting into ordinance range on turn 1, and then give Dormitz the Hyperwave thingy and those would all get evade tokens, too. I dunno, both Dormitz and TFA Han Solo are super janky and feels like there's something broken there but can't put my finger on it.

enigmahfc
Oct 10, 2003

EFF TEE DUB!!
EFF TEE DUB!!

SuperKlaus posted:

Why are people taking Expertise on Rey? It relieves her of the burden of focusing for attack...and her only other action choice is target lock, which is of very low use to her thanks to her innate blank rerolls. Is the idea that it's still strong enough for those out-of-arc shots?

Because then you can take Engine Upgrade or Black Market Slicers and use your action for that. It works really loving well.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
ROLL INITIATIVE!!





Finster Dexter posted:

Speaking of which, looking at Lt Dormitz, what are some imperial ships you'd want to start way out front at range 2? I guess you could basically guarantee getting into ordinance range on turn 1, and then give Dormitz the Hyperwave thingy and those would all get evade tokens, too. I dunno, both Dormitz and TFA Han Solo are super janky and feels like there's something broken there but can't put my finger on it.

A bunch of TIE Strikers could be scary. Other than that, I think it's more useful for making sure your ships are in formation at the beginning, something easily worked around otherwise.

I think Han Yolo hasn't yet found his niche. He can gently caress up Dengaroo pretty good, though, by pouncing on Manaroo turn 1.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



Seems like it would somewhat mess with someone trying to do the ol' Kanan Biggs Tactical Jammer thing.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Hey everyone. I decided to plop down two hundred dollars and love the game. Me and my friend had a blast playing a few games.

Now that I know how to play and run the basics, are there any good resources for building a good fleet or learning some taticus that usually come up in playing more experienced players?

Friction
Aug 15, 2001

Got Gozanti. Docking clamp upgrade states that you can dock Fighters, Interceptors, Advanceds and Bombers. Tried to dock bombers. They don't actually fit the clamps without extendo-pegs.



FFG, wtf.

Anyways. I have a boner for ordnance lists, and scrounged together this from my imperial stuff. Four docked bombers, couple TIE/sf, interceptor triplet and a howlrunner, 11 ships total on field.

Scimitars get farted out first at PS8, hopefully taking down shields of opposing large/huge target and second wave with help from others should finish the job.

Gozanti-class Cruiser (40)
Weapons Engineer (3)
Ion Torpedoes (5)
Ordnance Experts (5)
Docking Clamps (0)
Ordnance Tubes (5)
Requiem (4)

Scimitar Squadron Pilot (16)
Plasma Torpedoes (3)
Guidance Chips (0)

Scimitar Squadron Pilot (16)
Plasma Torpedoes (3)
Guidance Chips (0)

"Deathfire" (17)
Plasma Torpedoes (3)
Extra Munitions (2)

Captain Jonus (22)
Proton Torpedoes (4)
Extra Munitions (2)
Guidance Chips (0)

Omega Specialist (25)
Crack Shot (1)
Assault Missiles (5)
Lightweight Frame (2)
Special Ops Training (0)

Omega Specialist (25)
Crack Shot (1)
Assault Missiles (5)
Lightweight Frame (2)
Special Ops Training (0)

Saber Squadron Pilot (21)
Trick Shot (0)
Autothrusters (2)

Saber Squadron Pilot (21)
Trick Shot (0)
Autothrusters (2)

Avenger Squadron Pilot (20)

"Howlrunner" (18)

Total: 300

View in Yet Another Squad Builder

ro5s
Dec 27, 2012

A happy little mouse!

BigRed0427 posted:

Hey everyone. I decided to plop down two hundred dollars and love the game. Me and my friend had a blast playing a few games.

Now that I know how to play and run the basics, are there any good resources for building a good fleet or learning some taticus that usually come up in playing more experienced players?

This whole series is good stuff that's really worth a look.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
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Baron Fuzzlewhack posted:

I don't remember if anyone else confirmed it, but my store just got the official word on the release of the rest of Wave 10: Thursday, February 2nd.

Confirmed via their product legality page

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/op/legality/

All the way at the bottom. Release 2/2/17. Legal 2/13/17.

SuperKlaus
Oct 20, 2005


Fun Shoe

enigmahfc posted:

Because then you can take Engine Upgrade or Black Market Slicers and use your action for that. It works really loving well.

Yeah, that is sweet, but the builds I saw posted did not include anything that gave her new action options. Anyway, thank you for your help, everyone.

AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007

Friction posted:

Got Gozanti. Docking clamp upgrade states that you can dock Fighters, Interceptors, Advanceds and Bombers. Tried to dock bombers. They don't actually fit the clamps without extendo-pegs.



FFG, wtf.

Yah, odd but at least it looks kinda...cool?

Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

ConfusedUs posted:

Fuuuck if that's true then wave X will be legal for my local regional on the 25th of Feb.

The rest of Wave X is full of weird poo poo that's gonna shake things up A LOT. I'm not sure how much I like that. :(

I will be at this tournament. Does anybody else down there run FennZuckMan?

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

Bees?
You want fucking bees?
Here you go!
ROLL INITIATIVE!!





Just me.

With wave x legal I'll probably fly something else. Kylo's condition is just too dangerous

Edit make sure you come find me. Won't be hard, covenant's store is quite small. It's sold out though as of this morning.

ConfusedUs fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Jan 19, 2017

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Strobe
Jun 30, 2014
GW BRAINWORMS CREW

ConfusedUs posted:

Just me.

With wave x legal I'll probably fly something else. Kylo's condition is just too dangerous

Edit make sure you come find me. Won't be hard, covenant's store is quite small. It's sold out though as of this morning.

Oh drat, I didn't register yet because the event wasn't for another month. poo poo.

The site still says Preregistration "Coming Soon".

EDIT: Goddammit, it's listed in their store under Events, but the actual event never got updated with that link, so it never pinged me. :(

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