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Fryhtaning posted:You just happened to sit next to Doreen? She's almost as much of a legend as Kintamayama on the sumoforums. Yeah, we thought she was just an eccentric (yet helpful), old lady who really liked sumo - we hadn't watched any sumo before, so had no idea that there even was a Doreen Simmons. She was most unhappy that they hid the beer girls for the emperor's visit, cos she had to leave her seat to get one. I didn't realise until a few months later when I was googling photos of rikishi and there was one with a familiar-looking old lady....
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Kakuryu has withdrawn, Kotoshogiku will get the walkover win. That obviously sets up Hak vs Kise on day 15.
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Rigel posted:Kakuryu has withdrawn, Kotoshogiku will get the walkover win. Is Kakuryu injured or 'injured'?
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Shiroc posted:Is Kakuryu injured or 'injured'? probably "injured". He's 5-5, a lot of people were predicting it. You don't want to see a yokozuna get a losing record.
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It seems like doing the fake injury thing at day 10 when he's doing so poorly would be basically the same as getting the make koshi, especially when he'd be about to go up against more of the top rankers.
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Elissimpark posted:Yeah, we thought she was just an eccentric (yet helpful), old lady who really liked sumo - we hadn't watched any sumo before, so had no idea that there even was a Doreen Simmons. She was most unhappy that they hid the beer girls for the emperor's visit, cos she had to leave her seat to get one. Man that rules, I love when they have Doreen on the English NHK commentary. She's a treasure.
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Elissimpark posted:If you're quick with the online ticket site through the NSK, you can get masu seats - when I went in 2015, even though I ended up buying in the nosebleed section, I had the option of a box, but you'd need to be in on the day tix went on sale. The masu seats are gone way faster than they were going in 2015. I even managed to get a chair seat in the first row of chairs then (went with an older guy). But yeah definitely buy from the Japanese NSK site so you are far from the foreigners on tour (not that they stay past Juryo anyway) Sorry to the guy with Day 14 tickets, I'm not even sure how many Ozeki will still be in the tournament then, what a weird basho.
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Oh well. I got to see Goeido clinch his yusho last time, that was pretty cool. Also about 50% of going is just being there and drinking with your pals. It has the feeling of an old ballpark in the US. Just an all around special atmosphere.
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Day 11 is over. That was fun, a couple of good matches in there.
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Uncle Jam posted:The masu seats are gone way faster than they were going in 2015. That's pretty fast - I was comparing days and prices for an hour when I bought and watched the seating slowly creep backwards with each enquiry! I'm starting to really like Mitakeumi. He was interviewed again today - his voice doesn't match his face, so it seems like he's being dubbed. I guess I'm enjoying his fearless sumo too.
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Day 11: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8As6sEDKZY No big surprises today, but nothing is really a surprise anymore this basho. lol Kise is gonna find a way to not win the yusho, I can feel it
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Queering Wheel posted:Day 11: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8As6sEDKZY I almost think it might be bad for him if Hak lost today to go two wins above him with 3 days left. That would put him in "oh wow, this is totally your tournament. You don't even need to beat hak now, just win your other 2 matches" territory, in which case he cracks, loses one, loses to hak to force a playoff, and falls apart.
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Ikioi, Goeido, Hakuho, and ??? left for Kise. Even with the two Yoks out, that is not an easy finish to the basho. I always forget he and Takayasu are both from Naruto, so he doesn't have to go against him. He's already done the Sekiwakes, Tochinoshin is out, and he's already done all of M1-M4 (counting Ikioi tomorrow), which means probably.. oh poo poo, Takekaze. I think Kisenosato is patient enough to not fall for a Takekaze hatakikomi, but if the pressure is on I would not be one bit surprised if Takekaze pulled some serious evasive BS and beat him.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5gvabrXiOs&t=93s Jonikuchi leader gets KO'd in about 5 strikes, quick response by the judges there.
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I can only assume they were trying to let him save face by giving him time to recover and pick himself up. I missed the last basho, but when was the last time someone got knocked out cold or hurt so badly they had to be carried off the dohyo in juryo or makuuchi?
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Halloween Jack posted:I can only assume they were trying to let him save face by giving him time to recover and pick himself up. I missed the last basho, but when was the last time someone got knocked out cold or hurt so badly they had to be carried off the dohyo in juryo or makuuchi? I wanna say someone got knocked out two bashos ago but they didnt have to be stretchered off
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Sumotori rarely go for double-legs because you'll probably fall on your face, and it sure looked to me like Ura Pedigree'd himself before his opponent touched down. I've never seen Gagamaru just clothesline a guy before. I don't even like Gagamaru but that was fun.
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Kotoyuki KOed Hidenoumi just last basho. https://vimeo.com/193169357
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Its early, but if Kotoshogiku gets his 8th loss and decides not to retire, we could have a bit of rare banzuke weirdness in March. Shodai is probably going to be out of the Sanyaku ranks when he gets his 8th loss since Mitakeumi is likely going to be grabbing Tochinoshin's spot, but if Tamawashi gets his 8th win to keep his rank and Takayasu forces things by winning 10 or 11, we could have 3 at Sekiwake.
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I am quickly becoming a fan of Hokutofuji. The way he kept fighting back and being persistent in his Day 11 match was awesome to watch.
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Goeido reportedly hurt his ankle and has withdrawn. He must really be hurt for them to let him withdraw because it means that Kisenosato will get the walkover victory for day 13.
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On Day 14 Takanoiwa (M10, 10-2) will be pulled up to fight Hakuho, and Ichijono (M13, 10-2) will be pulled up to face Kisenosato. So those two lower-ranked guys would need to earn the Yusho.
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Ichinojo is competitive when he isn't hurt, so he isn't going to be a walkover for Kise. Don't know enough about Takanoiwa though
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Wow, I wonder if Kise would get the promotion if he goes 14-1 without having to face 2 yokozuna and 1 ozeki (while getting a freebie for not fighting said ozeki). They might expect another 13-2 performance with at least the jun-yusho. If that happens, I wonder how many other ozeki have ever won 74 (assuming he goes 14-1 without the promo) out of 90 in a year's worth of basho without somehow qualifying for a promotion along the way. The best I see from Kaio is 69 in 6 basho as ozeki (1 yusho and 1 jun), and 70 in 6 basho (2 basho in sanyaku, 2 yusho and 0 jun) when he first became ozeki. Kise already has 72 with 2 more matches to go, and will likely either have 5 jun-yusho or 4 jun and 1 yusho. Incredible, regardless of how you feel about his "choking". For comparison's sake, Kakuryu won 71 in his best streak including his yokozuna promotion, and Harumafuji also won 74 in his best streak - including three 15-0 performances when he was also promoted. e: holy poo poo look at babby M16 Kisenosato https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ECzQYUkHoE Fryhtaning fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Jan 20, 2017 |
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I mean he did come in second and beat all the yokozuna in November, but 12-3 just seems a win short of a yusho-level jun-yusho to me. Did the association say he was a promotion candidate this basho?
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Mr. Fix It posted:I mean he did come in second and beat all the yokozuna in November, but 12-3 just seems a win short of a yusho-level jun-yusho to me. Did the association say he was a promotion candidate this basho? They were not clear, they kinda said that a 15-0 would be good enough, and short of that, maybe a "dominating" yusho, but no promises. We're not going to get that with kisenosato potentially facing only hakuho and 3 ozeki. But if he did get to 14-1, then things get interesting. On one side this is just about the easiest tournament victory you could imagine. On the other side of the debate though you of course have the strong desire for a Japanese yokozuna, and you also have to keep in mind that we're not talking about a new ozeki here, he's been around for a long, long time with a very long history of solid performances and occasionally fighting like a yokozuna but falling short because of Hakuho. If its a coin flip in their mind, they may give it to him. If not, then I imagine 13 wins in March would get Kisenosato over the line.
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I won't support promoting Kisenosato to Yokozuna unless he sings in the next sumo theme song video.
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I'd buy arguments for Kise that his extended consistency has given him everything short of a Championship for promotion and any win would put him over the top. Or winning 2016 overall counts for something. I just think it would really suck for the guy to finally get the monkey off his back and then do something like go 12-3 and finish 3rd in March and still not get it. Although there's a part of me that thinks he might be better off not getting it. His 2nd place gimmick makes him a dominant Ozeki, but if he can't finish again as a Yok, he'd be remembered a lot differently.
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I did not understand almost any word spoken in this video, but after seeing this, I'm just gonna say a 14-1 yusho by kise = yokozuna promotion, full stop. This video is probably amusing to see even if you (like myself) dont speak the language at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0_pSU7Sx2k
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pseudodragon posted:Although there's a part of me that thinks he might be better off not getting it. His 2nd place gimmick makes him a dominant Ozeki, but if he can't finish again as a Yok, he'd be remembered a lot differently. Yeah, this. Dropping the two consecutive championships rule for Kisenosato despite his good Ozeki performances would not be a good look if he ended up not winning another yusho as Yokozuna. I'm sure the YDC factors this in. What good is a new Japanese Yokozuna if he ends up being a disappointment?
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Day 13: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57jnLU0iahE Ura is so drat cool. Can't wait to see him in makuuchi.
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How do the match fixing conspiracy theorists explain how Kisenosato isn't Yokozuna by now? Why would the powers that be pick Kotoshogiku and Goeido to win a basho rather than the guy with the most wins in 2016?
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Tsaedje posted:How do the match fixing conspiracy theorists explain how Kisenosato isn't Yokozuna by now? Why would the powers that be pick Kotoshogiku and Goeido to win a basho rather than the guy with the most wins in 2016? And then have a demoted Kotoshogiku as the one who has essentially put Kisenosato in a must-win position for his last 2 matches.  Rigel posted:On the other side of the debate though you of course have the strong desire for a Japanese yokozuna, and you also have to keep in mind that we're not talking about a new ozeki here, he's been around for a long, long time with a very long history of solid performances and occasionally fighting like a yokozuna but falling short because of Hakuho. If its a coin flip in their mind, they may give it to him. And yet they promoted the Mongolian Kakuryu with 1 yusho and fewer wins than Kisenosato has put together in his current run. I personally think it'll be a crime if he doesn't get it with a 14-1 showing, but at least that would shut up the people who think the kyokai play favorites with Japanese. One thing I think Kisenosato has going for him is that he is as strong and healthy as ever, with almost all of the other yoks and ozeki now past their prime. I have a feeling Terunofuji will never have a prime with his injuries, too. I have no doubt he'll be able to wrestle for at least a few more years and put up another yusho or three if he is promoted after a yusho.
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It would be unfair for Kisenosato not to get a promotion if he wins after Kakuryu got his. I don't think they should have promoted kakuryu though. I hope this Basho has the kyokai seriously looking at allowing guys to take time off without getting demoted though. Practically everyone except Kisenosato is busted up.
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At the end of the day, in my mind, it really becomes an argument for how much you want to punish a guy (who would most likely have already been promoted were it not for Hakuho) for just having the bad luck of existing in the span of time where the greatest sumo wrestler of all time happens to be competing as well. As much as I consider Kise a choker (and I used to until I took a longer view on the greatness of Hakuho), objectively looking at his competition, it is tough to argue against a promotion if he goes 14-1 while also beating Hakuho.
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