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Intruder posted:I was farting around with that and man check out Anquan drat. God bless Anquan Boldin and his perfected possession receiver style. Like look at that link and then check out his stats: He's 9th all time in receptions He's 14th all time in receiving yards Relentlessboredomm fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Jan 19, 2017 |
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Diva Cupcake posted:Quarterback I believe my QB rankings that year were Bridgewater - Carr- Bortles - Manziel - Mettenberger/McCarron. Might have swapped Bortles and Carr right before the draft. I think even though Manziel busted I was still considering him a top 100 prospect which even that in retrospect was pretty bad. That whole draft changed so many teams fates its astounding.
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 MEL KIPER'S MOCK DRAFT 1.0 1) Cleveland Browns *Myles Garrett, DE, Texas A&M Garrett is the top prospect on my Big Board, and he's a premier pass-rushing talent who had 32.5 sacks in three seasons for the Aggies. The Browns are in the beginning stages of a rebuild, and Garrett would be a foundational piece. Keep an eye on a potential trade down from Cleveland, though, as it did last year out of the No. 2 spot. The Browns want to keep acquiring picks. They could also fall in love with one of the talented but green quarterbacks. 2) San Francisco 49ers *Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina This isn't a strong draft for quarterbacks. Trubisky is the best QB in the draft, but he's only No. 16 on my Big Board. He has only one season of collegiate starting experience, completing 68.2 percent of his passes with 30 touchdown passes and six interceptions. The 49ers still don't have a general manager or coach, and Colin Kaepernick could be on his way out. 3) Chicago Bears Jonathan Allen, DL, Alabama Allen, who had 22.5 sacks over the past two seasons, could play defensive end or defensive tackle in the NFL. Positional flexibility is a big selling point, and he'd likely play end in the Bears' 3-4 in this scenario. He was one of the best players in college football in 2016. The Bears had a disappointing 2016 season and have needs across the board, including at quarterback, safety and potentially receiver, depending on what happens with free agent Alshon Jeffery. 4) Jacksonville Jaguars *Jamal Adams, S, LSU Adams is built for today's NFL as a versatile safety who can play in the box effectively, make tackles against the run and move to the edges and track slot receivers. Jacksonville hit on a couple of defenders in the 2016 draft (Jalen Ramsey and Yannick Ngakoue; Myles Jack is still an unknown), but the Jags need more help. 5) Tennessee Titans (from Los Angeles Rams) *Mike Williams, WR, Clemson One of the stars in the Tigers' national title game win, Williams finished the season with 98 catches for 1,361 yards and 11 touchdowns. He's the top wideout in this draft. Marcus Mariota could use a deep threat and chain-mover -- Williams was fifth in the country in 2016 with 60 catches that resulted in first downs. 6) New York Jets **Marshon Lattimore, CB, Ohio State Lattimore is another first-year starter who jumped to the top of my cornerback rankings with a stellar season. A hamstring injury limited his time on the field in Columbus in 2014 and 2015. Speed, size (6-foot-1, 190) -- he has all the traits to be a star. Darrelle Revis could be on his way out with the Jets -- or move to safety -- and Lattimore would slide into his spot on Day 1. 7) San Diego Chargers *Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama This isn't a great class for top-tier blindside protectors, but Robinson is at the top of the list, though I think his best skill -- run-blocking -- means he'd be better as a right tackle at the next level. A three-year starter for the Crimson Tide, he's a known commodity in the NFL. The Chargers ranked in the bottom third of the league in rushing (3.8 yards per carry, 97.9 yards per game) in 2016, and tackles Joe Barksdale and King Dunlap have underwhelmed. 8) Carolina Panthers *Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU This is really the first spot I see that could be a good fit for Fournette, barring a trade up. He's a special athlete with an incredible combination of size (6-1, 235), speed and power, but he won't get a grade as high as I gave Ezekiel Elliott last year. Elliott went No. 4 in 2016, but backs have been devalued in recent years -- he was the only back taken in the first round. Jonathan Stewart turns 30 this year and averaged only 3.8 yards per carry in 2016. **Solomon Thomas, DE, Stanford Thomas, one of the biggest risers of the year, had eight sacks in 2016. At 6-3, 270, he could move inside and play tackle, too. The Bengals need pass-rushing help -- they had only 33 total sacks in a disappointing 2016 -- and this is a good draft for edge rushers. 10) Buffalo Bills *Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson I'm a believer in franchises with new head coaches starting fresh with new quarterbacks, and it appears likely the Bills move on from Tyrod Taylor after hiring Sean McDermott. That leaves Buffalo with a huge hole and a top-10 pick to fill it. I wrote last week that I didn't think Watson would get a post-title game draft bounce, but I've heard differently from people around the NFL. Though he had an up-and-down season -- and threw 17 interceptions -- Watson is extremely talented. He's the second quarterback off the board in this projection, ahead of Notre Dame's DeShone Kizer. 11) New Orleans Saints Reuben Foster, ILB, Alabama Foster is one of my favorite prospects in this draft. At 6-1, 240 pounds, he has stellar range, runs sideline to sideline and is a complete linebacker. He's a terrific blitzer, too, and recorded five sacks in 2016. The Saints need defensive help -- 2015 first-round pick Stephone Anthony played just 127 defensive snaps this season. 12. Cleveland Browns (from Philadelphia Eagles) *Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida State After picking Myles Garrett No. 1, this would give the Browns two prospects in the top five of my Big Board. Cook is a speedy home run hitter who rushed for 4,464 yards and had 48 total touchdowns in three seasons for the Seminoles. Cleveland also could look at an offensive lineman, cornerback or linebacker. 13) Arizona Cardinals *Teez Tabor, CB, Florida Tabor, my No. 2 cornerback, is a playmaker who had eight interceptions -- with three returned for touchdowns -- the past two seasons. Arizona struggled to find a No. 2 corner opposite Patrick Peterson all of 2016, and in Tabor the Cardinals would get a guy who could step in and start on Day 1. Arizona could take a look at a pass-rusher, too, depending on what happens with free agents Calais Campbell and Chandler Jones. 14) Philadelphia Eagles (from Minnesota Vikings) *Quincy Wilson, CB, Florida That Florida secondary was loaded the past few seasons with Wilson, Tabor and 2016 first-round pick Vernon Hargreaves III. Wilson is right there with Tabor on my board. He's a little bigger (6-1, 213) than Tabor (6-0, 201) and has good ball skills and instincts. This is a spot in which the Eagles need immediate help. ** 15) Indianapolis Colts** Takkarist McKinley, OLB, UCLA A dominant speed rusher, McKinley gave Pac-12 offensive tackles nightmares in 2016. He took a big leap as a senior with 10 sacks, going from fringe prospect to first-rounder. At 6-2, 240 pounds, he's not huge, but his explosion off the line is suited for today's NFL. Indianapolis needs playmakers on defense, and McKinley is a great fit. 16) Baltimore Ravens **Jabrill Peppers, S, Michigan The Harbaugh connection is interesting here. Who has better intel on Peppers than his college coach, Jim Harbaugh? And Jim's brother, John, is the Ravens' coach. Peppers is a fantastic talent, but he's a tweener and is more of a rover back. He could be an in-the-box safety or linebacker who helps in run support and goes out and covers slot receivers and tight ends. The right team will get creative with him and get a star playmaker. **Malik Hooker, S, Ohio State Hooker was the best center-field-type safety I saw this season -- he has incredible speed and range and was all over the field for the Buckeyes. He had seven interceptions, three of which he returned for touchdowns. Washington could also have a need at wide receiver, even after taking Josh Doctson in the first round last year. Pierre Garcon and DeSean Jackson are both free agents. Keep an eye on a pass-rusher here, too. 18) Tennessee Titans **Marlon Humphrey, CB, Alabama I've mentioned this before, but 2017 could be the year of the third-year sophomore. Humphrey is the fifth such player I listed in the first round. A hamstring injury slowed him down toward the end of the 2016 season, but he's an outstanding prospect with great size (6-1, 196). The Titans have two first-round picks -- I gave them Mike Williams at No. 5 -- and cornerback should be a spot they target. 19) Tampa Bay Buccaneers Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan Charlton plays with good leverage for his height (6-5) and has active hands and an incredible wingspan. I'm curious what he'll measure at the combine. He can play on his feet, too, which means he could fit in a 4-3 or 3-4 scheme. The Bucs took Noah Spence in the second round last year, and he improved in their 4-3 as the season progressed (5.5 sacks). Charlton would be a great pick. 20) Denver Broncos *Garett Bolles, OT, Utah Bolles started only one season for the Utes after coming over from a junior college, but he was tremendous. He has nice feet and can drive defenders off the ball at 6-5, 300 pounds. Denver has to get some help at tackle in order to get back on top of an AFC West that features two games every season against Justin Houston, Khalil Mack and Joey Bosa. Russell Okung has a team option at $11.7 million, and Donald Stephenson had a poor first season with the Broncos. 21) Detroit Lions Tim Williams, OLB, Alabama Williams (6-4, 250) is a fantastic pass-rushing talent who can be unblockable at times. He had 19.5 sacks the past two seasons. Williams would have to put on some weight to play end in a 4-3, but his talent is undeniable. The Lions were second to last in sacks in 2016 (26), and Ezekiel Ansah had only two after a breakout 2015 season in which he had 14.5. This is a clear need, especially with few pass-rushers available in free agency. 22) Miami Dolphins Jarrad Davis, LB, Florida As a steady and reliable linebacker with a nose for the football, Davis' versatility stands out. He could play inside or outside linebacker at the next level, though he's not a guy who will get 10 sacks on the outside in a 3-4. He can be an every-down guy. 23) New York Giants *Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin Picking another tackle would allow the Giants to move 2015 top-10 pick Ereck Flowers over to the right side -- he struggled in 2016. Ramczyk, who has had an amazing path to the NFL, is a 6-6, 314-pound road grader with all the traits of an NFL starter, but he's not a talent on the level of former Badger Joe Thomas (who is?). New York could also target a pass-rusher or tight end (none are off the board so far). 24) Oakland Raiders *Malik McDowell, DT, Michigan State How can a team with Khalil Mack rank last in the league in sacks? That happened this season -- he had 11 and the rest of the defense had 14. McDowell had only 7.5 sacks in his career, but the talent is there to produce much more in the NFL. He's a tremendous athlete with a 6-6, 290-pound frame who is still raw. One position to keep an eye on: running back. Latavius Murray is a free agent, and this class is loaded. 25) Houston Texans *Budda Baker, S, Washington Baker, the fourth safety off the board so far, is a dynamic athlete with a small frame -- he's only 5-10, 173. He was a tackling machine for the Huskies, and he had two picks and three sacks in 2016. Quintin Demps is a free agent, and the Texans need to upgrade their defensive backfield. 26) Seattle Seahawks Cordrea Tankersley, CB, Clemson The Seahawks like big corners, and Tankersley (6-1, 190) fits their style as a guy who could hold up opposite Richard Sherman, and DeShawn Shead's knee injury opens up a spot. Tankersley had nine interceptions over his last two seasons and was a big part of the Tigers' success. Seattle will be in the market for offensive linemen, too, but I don't have much first-round talent available here at No. 26. There's still a long time until draft day, however. 27) Kansas City Chiefs Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan The Chiefs' top pass-catchers in 2016 were a tight end (Travis Kelce) and rookie fifth-round pick who was better known for his return skills (Tyreek Hill). Davis was one of the most productive wideouts in the country during his career at Western Michigan, catching 331 passes for 5,278 yards and 52 touchdowns. He has ideal size (6-2, 212) and length to be a great NFL wideout. Kansas City has an interesting offseason ahead -- it doesn't have a ton of cap room, and it has to find a way to bring back top free agents Eric Berry and Dontari Poe. 28) Dallas Cowboys *Sidney Jones, CB, Washington Jones, a three-year starter for the Huskies, is the sixth corner off the board. At 6-1, 170, he's agile and fast with nice ball skills. He had nine interceptions in his career. Dallas has a glaring need at defensive end, but don't count out a corner here. Brandon Carr and Morris Claiborne are free agents. 29) Green Bay Packers *Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford McCaffrey fits what the Packers want on offense. He's versatile like college quarterback-turned-receiver Randall Cobb and Ty Montgomery, who switched to running back in 2016. McCaffrey can return kicks, catch the ball out of the backfield -- he's dynamic with the ball in his hands. The Packers have a few needs on defense, but running back Eddie Lacy is a free agent, and they don't have an internal replacement. 30) Pittsburgh Steelers *Charles Harris, OLB, Missouri Harris had an up-and-down 2016 with nine sacks and two forced fumbles, but his ceiling his high. In this scenario, Harris (6-3, 255) would be an outside linebacker in the Steelers' 3-4, but he could play end in a 4-3 or even move inside to rush the passer from a tackle spot. Pass-rushers Jarvis Jones (a 2013 first-round pick) and James Harrison (who turns 39 this summer) will be free agents. 31) Atlanta Falcons *Derek Barnett, DE, Tennessee Barnett (6-3, 265) is the eighth defensive end or outside linebacker to go in my first round -- this is a great class for pass-rushers. He is an all-around defender who beats double-teams and makes plays in the running game, and he's versatile enough to play in a 4-3 or 3-4. The light came on for Vic Beasley Jr. in Year 2 in the NFL, but his 15.5 sacks accounted for 45.5 percent of the Falcons' total in 2016. He needs some help. 32) New England Patriots O.J. Howard, TE, Alabama Howard, my top-ranked tight end, had only seven touchdowns in his four-year career, but three came in national title games. The Crimson Tide didn't use Howard (6-6, 250) much in the passing game, and he could be more productive in the NFL. He can stretch the deep middle of the field and be a dynamic weapon. 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FizFashizzle posted:I will burn this fucker down if the panthers draft fournette I like our pick 
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Right now I'm 60% sure the pick is fournette unless a blue goose falls. The other 40% is either Ryan Ramczyk or Cam Robinson (Blue goose guys right now are Adams, Garrett and Allen.) Also wouldn't be shocked if they drafted a CB and moved worley to nickel. Unhappy yes, but not shocked. For me that player that I'm afraid of is Jabrill Peppers. Reminds me a shitton of Shaq Thompson and I'm afraid that will be too tempting for ol' Riverboat. If we took him at 8 I'd be furious. zimbomonkey fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Jan 19, 2017 |
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LOL at Browns draft an RB...or a OT or a LB or a S or a CB or a K or....
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Gatts posted:LOL at Browns draft an RB...or a OT or a LB or a S or a CB or a K or.... Though seriously, RB isn't a position of need. We need a line.
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Doltos posted:You're all fools falling for the Mel Kiper clickbait. I didn't click anything!
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Doltos posted:You're all fools falling for the Mel Kiper clickbait. I only recognize one Mel and he's a yellow-bellied turncoat, but he's our yellow-bellied turncoat, dammit.
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Abugadu posted:McCaffrey's an intriguing fit, but if we do that we're going to need to pick up 2-3 CBs in FA and another 2-3 in the next couple of rounds. But we are usually so good at avoiding the scrappy white RB.
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Abugadu posted:McCaffrey's an intriguing fit, but if we do that we're going to need to pick up 2-3 CBs in FA and another 2-3 in the next couple of rounds. With the way Montgomery has been playing so far do you even need a RB? I thought Ty was the guy.
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Chichevache posted:With the way Montgomery has been playing so far do you even need a RB? I thought Ty was the guy. Yeah it doesn't strike me as a need pick, well because it's obviously not. The Pack need healthy people in the secondary. Having said that I think McCaffery is going to be pretty good. Feel free to quote this back at me if he's somehow Toby Gerhart 2.0 even though they're ridiculously different players.
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Flikken posted:Though seriously, RB isn't a position of need. We need a line. Taking Cook over Hooker would be a travesty.
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Michael Corleone posted:Taking Cook over Hooker would be a travesty. It would be pretty cool to get an awesome free safety.
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zimbomonkey posted:Right now I'm 60% sure the pick is fournette unless a blue goose falls. I'd be shocked if Peppers wasn't the pick. Fits perfectly the mold of "BPA now, find a way to fit him on the field later".
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Yes the team without a safety or a DE after Addison leaves or offensive tackles is the perfect place for a player without a position.
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How does Peppers compare to Tyrann Matthieu as far as skillset goes? He's the last super talented guy I remember who had that label of being a weird talent with no natural position.
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Kalli posted:How does Peppers compare to Tyrann Matthieu as far as skillset goes? He's the last super talented guy I remember who had that label of being a weird talent with no natural position. Peppers doesn't really know how to play football IMO
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Kalli posted:How does Peppers compare to Tyrann Matthieu as far as skillset goes? He's the last super talented guy I remember who had that label of being a weird talent with no natural position. Its easier to stick a guy into the secondary and have him switch between safety and corner that it is to make a guy switch between LB and DB. Matthieu is not the best comparison, because he was never playing near the line, unless on a blitz. Peppers will be expected to play the pass and run, as well as rush the passer.
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Kalli posted:How does Peppers compare to Tyrann Matthieu as far as skillset goes? He's the last super talented guy I remember who had that label of being a weird talent with no natural position. Worse, much worse. Matthieu is fast, great with the ball in his hands, and pretty awesome in coverage so long as it's not a lot of man. Peppers is a decent returner, a mediocre LB, and a mediocre SS with real questionable coverage skills.
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Ehud posted:Peppers doesn't really know how to play football IMO
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Cool, thanks. I was just trying to come up with the last tweener I remember being talked up as a 1st round talent who I thought might compare.
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If you want peppers to be the safety/corner/LB hybrid in the NFL there's a whole lot of playbook he would have to understand, and there wasn't any question that matheiu was only going to be a DB. I think the big "where does he play" concerns with matheiu were people bitching that you don't draft a guy to play slot corner in the first round and it turns out that they were stupid I said it before but I think the best comparison is bucannon. Not a whole lot of teams really try and break the game with their running back but he'd be a good answer to what the cardinals are doing with david johnson, and he'd probably be mediocre at best in other LB duties with a decent defensive line.
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