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It was recently pointed out to me that, owing to 7.00, the off-lane is kinda the new safe lane. The close proximity of the shrine, bounty rune, and some jungle camps seems to make the top lane Radiant's best new farming lane, and the opposite for the Dire. Have any carry players here tried this out since 7.00?
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Gunder posted:It was recently pointed out to me that, owing to 7.00, the off-lane is kinda the new safe lane. The close proximity of the shrine, bounty rune, and some jungle camps seems to make the top lane Radiant's best new farming lane, and the opposite for the Dire. Have any carry players here tried this out since 7.00? There's been a lot of aggro tri-lanes at least.
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Jan 18, 2017 15:01
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Gunder posted:It was recently pointed out to me that, owing to 7.00, the off-lane is kinda the new safe lane. The close proximity of the shrine, bounty rune, and some jungle camps seems to make the top lane Radiant's best new farming lane, and the opposite for the Dire. Have any carry players here tried this out since 7.00? I can tell you that safety on the safe lane feels pretty loving far, amigos Sven running from a deranged weaver for what seems like in game 400 meters is not safe
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Jan 18, 2017 15:59
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Day9 Purge stream is up
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Jan 18, 2017 22:22
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Looke posted:Day9 Purge stream is up I only ever watch DotA, but watching the stream to learn some new things will make watching pros more interesting. It goes into the why and hows of creep pulling, aggro management, support goals and priorities, etc. Good stuff.
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Jan 18, 2017 23:22
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Day[9] is apparently 2.2k, which makes me feel slightly better about myself. And he got stream sniped.
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Jan 18, 2017 23:28
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ElGroucho posted:I can tell you that safety on the safe lane feels pretty loving far, amigos The forest changeup means you can quell from the t1 to the t2 very safely and quickly. As well as juke any diver pretty easily. Though its also easy to gank from behind the tower too, but thats reaally tryhard.
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Jan 18, 2017 23:46
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Looke posted:Day9 Purge stream is up he would get better faster if he wasn't listening to purge
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Jan 18, 2017 23:51
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isnt purge only like 4.5k or something
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Jan 19, 2017 00:03
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RisqueBarber posted:isnt purge only like 4.5k or something https://www.dotabuff.com/players/66296404 5825 SOLO MMR
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Jan 19, 2017 00:06
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Kilano posted:https://www.dotabuff.com/players/66296404 Only 800 more points than Slacks? Shameful. Looking forward to watching the an archive of the stream later tonight.
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Jan 19, 2017 00:09
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RisqueBarber posted:isnt purge only like 4.5k or something He's been like 6k since he went to Korea.
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Jan 19, 2017 00:10
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If you haven't watched 2k Dota in awhile, this is a pretty good representation of it: two teams making poor life choices over and over until one of them wins.
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Jan 19, 2017 00:15
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Purge is a master of being completely wrong in tones of assured certainty. Probably every single pro player and at least a half-dozen casters have better Dota sense than him, yet he has this reputation of being some all-knowing oracle.
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Jan 19, 2017 00:57
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Nobody's saying purge is the best player, but he might be the best teacher in dota and for a 2k player like Day9 he's fine.
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Jan 19, 2017 01:11
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I love purge
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Jan 19, 2017 01:13
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I'm a fan of his righteous, mumbled indignation when someone builds their hero in the "incorrect" manner and ends up getting carried by that player
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Jan 19, 2017 01:19
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I really like that recent tournaments have mostly isolated Purge in his own easily skippable segments, it's really annoying having to listen to him cast and talk endlessly about some mechanic that he's completely wrong about.
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Jan 19, 2017 01:54
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King Pawn posted:Purge is a master of being completely wrong in tones of assured certainty. Probably every single pro player and at least a half-dozen casters have better Dota sense than him, yet he has this reputation of being some all-knowing oracle. Purge gets the maths, but not the game. He doesnt get that breaking meta can be a tactical decision that throws the other team off. Whether on purpose or not it can be quite effective at low and mid levels of play because those players dont know how to adapt outside of the meta.
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Nasgate posted:Purge gets the maths, but not the game. He doesnt get that breaking meta can be a tactical decision that throws the other team off. Whether on purpose or not it can be quite effective at low and mid levels of play because those players dont know how to adapt outside of the meta. If I ignore the meta because I don't know what it is can I win too?
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Jan 19, 2017 10:32
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purge is my boy and was good at teaching day9 the doto i learnt a few things as well so the stream was good imo
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Jan 19, 2017 10:47
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Gunder posted:If I ignore the meta because I don't know what it is can I win too? Yes. Winning pubs is mostly about keeping your own team stable and the enemy team salty. Mad gamers are bad gamers. If you gank mid with a non-meta roamer or item, you will cause mass amounts of salt to build up on the opposing team. Double these effects if you all chat "Good game, well played!" Or "?" immediately after the gank.
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Jan 19, 2017 11:49
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Looke posted:purge is my boy and was good at teaching day9 the doto As someone who is between 3 and 4k (I'm like 3580 rn I think) at any time, I thought his philosophy on pulling was interesting. I mean, I knew a lot of this stuff but it was cool to have someone better than me say it. Basically Purge was instructing D9 to pull as a support (in duo lane) if: you could get away with it and couldn't get a kill or you couldn't bully the offlaner(s) hard. Also he seemed to say double stacks weren't necessarily good (they're greedy) and chain-pulling is better (faster/less time investment required). Also you should use certain nukes on certain double stacks so you can clear your wave and the stacked small camp in the first pull (so you get xp instead of just killing like 1 or 2 creeps and denying the wave). For me, usually if its a truly awful duo lane in the off going against me and a core I rarely pull - they're pushing the lane into us some and they're threatening our carry with kills and contesting his cs. If I pull this will just open up an opportunity for them to dumpster this guy. Purge seemed to think if you're in a lovely lane you should just pull and optimize xp, force them to either go after you or the carry and bait them into something bad. If it the lane composition your up against is Full Hitler you just leave to help/gank other lanes and tell your core goodluck. SeemsGood
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Jan 19, 2017 17:17
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jesus vega just threw so hard against c9, blew a 20k networth lead
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sugar free jazz posted:jesus vega just threw so hard against c9, blew a 20k networth lead and now theyre doing it again lol
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Jan 19, 2017 21:10
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my bony fealty posted:and now theyre doing it again lol Shadow demon illusions won them like 4 fights in a row, and caught them up. What a hero
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Sups posted:For me, usually if its a truly awful duo lane in the off going against me and a core I rarely pull - they're pushing the lane into us some and they're threatening our carry with kills and contesting his cs. If I pull this will just open up an opportunity for them to dumpster this guy. Purge seemed to think if you're in a lovely lane you should just pull and optimize xp, force them to either go after you or the carry and bait them into something bad. If it the lane composition your up against is Full Hitler you just leave to help/gank other lanes and tell your core goodluck. SeemsGood If your tower is already getting pushed in, then doing a pull leaves you open to a tower dive on your carry, and as the support you're in a vulnerable position as well. He's probably right about pulling no matter what at 2k, but at some point players are going to be able to sniff out the pull and punish you hard for it. Trying to chain pull while in a 2v2 lane is a death sentence at your mmr level. You put yourself so far from the tower and are often at a boots disadvantage. Maybe the new map makes it safer, I haven't played since then. The safe thing to do is just pull to the easy camp and make sure you don't get killed when they come to intercept it.
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little munchkin posted:If your tower is already getting pushed in, then doing a pull leaves you open to a tower dive on your carry, and as the support you're in a vulnerable position as well. Well, he also mentioned about putting a ward in lane so you can make sure you are doing things like pulling and harassing safely.
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I think the main point was just find something, anything other than standing there in full view and baby-sitting a brain dead carry.
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If i'm playing support and the lane isn't going well, the absolute worst thing I can do is sap exp from the safelane core. just go gank mid or pull. The safelaner needs to understand that and not put himself in a position to die.
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And if they are too stupid to figure that out, you just have to sac the lane (and them) and hope they can eventually catch up in the jungle.
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Jan 20, 2017 01:19
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do ta pit lan finals kicking off today,
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Jan 20, 2017 10:14
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OG vs IG starting soon, having some sort of PC issue though. https://www.twitch.tv/dotapit
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Jan 20, 2017 15:15
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streaming a recorded BBC broadcast publicly SeemsGood
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Jan 20, 2017 15:17
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That was a cool game, but LOL just LOL at losing to burning in 2017
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Jan 20, 2017 16:29
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playing jakiro vs clockwerk is the ultimate demoralizer
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Jan 20, 2017 17:18
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I successfully made someone abandon a match today by glimpsing them back to base when they TP'd to a tower. Got them with it twice.
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Jan 20, 2017 17:25
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OG are way too eager to gently caress poo poo up this game and now it's biting them in the rear end.
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jerax fuckin too good
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