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Absurd Alhazred posted:I'm not doing it for his feelings or for him to remember I was kind. There are values and principles that go towards what a democratic society is. boo
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I'm gonna give you wedgie you wimp
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Absurd Alhazred posted:
from who? ghost mod
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aa i don't think you're coming from a bad place or anything but stomping your feet whenever people disagree with you just makes you look like the lamest motherfucker
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Chelb posted:aa i don't think you're coming from a bad place or anything but stomping your feet whenever people disagree with you just makes you look like the lamest motherfucker No kidding.
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Firing out a pithey parting shot and calmly walking away when people get a bit angry doesn't seem like a good way to counter far-right ideology imo
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:from who? ghost mod it's 4:30 am and im dialling Fans as we speak "hi, rhys, yeah it's a parting shot, get right on it" *four weeks later probation gets submitted*
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yeah I mod sassed the rain elemental
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I have connections, I can make that probation come tout de suite.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I have connections, I can make that probation come tout de suite. hey don't speak mexican at me fuckr
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Tesseraction posted:hey don't speak mexican at me fuckr Je suis désolé. 
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Je suis punched nazibois
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Seriously though people are going to ride liberal ideals straight into the grave "Well sure he's putting in work to grow a group that wants us dead or subjugated but if we use any sort of force to stop that aren't we as bad as he is? I'm sorry it's absolutely antithecal to democracy to move against them until they've grown their numbers and power to a point where they feel ready to strike!"
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I have connections, I can make that probation come tout de suite. nut up or shut up
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:One big problem with the "Bash the Fash" argument is that right now the Trumpers are going to be looking for reasons to excuse a crackdown -- reichstag fire etc. You can make the counterargument that they'll do that anyway, and hell, James O'Keefe was documented and caught planning to incite violence at the inauguration: but let's not give them what they want. the thing is you don't have control of like a hundred million people, and a bunch are already going to be violent anyway neatly providinf pretext for those seeing the flimsiest. and even if you did have that control, the enemy would probably make something up anyway.
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Bref, voici un article au sujet de Richard Spencer et la discrimination les néonazis ont infligé sur les résidents de Whitefish, où Spencer habite, et ce qu'ils ont fait à ce sujet https://www.yahoo.com/news/how-the-...l?.tsrc=fauxdal
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ne pas parler en français, vous enfoirés, parce que je vais le typer jusqu'à je meurs
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Chelb posted:Bref, voici un article au sujet de Richard Spencer et la discrimination les néonazis ont infligé sur les résidents de Whitefish, où Spencer habite, et ce qu'ils ont fait à ce sujet Je n'a su pas trouvé où ils leurs ont coupé.
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i think the article's interesting because it shows an effective example of local community organization against hate, but as fishmech sorta touched on, can that be effectively controlled and utilized effectively in any large region, let alone the united states? can protests and marches and widespread activism against intolerance be sustained and pointedly directed for long periods of time with the decentralized leadership you see nowadays with protest groups?
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今天我們都是饅頭的小孩子。
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Chelb posted:i think the article's interesting because it shows an effective example of local community organization against hate, but as fishmech sorta touched on, can that be effectively controlled and utilized effectively in any large region, let alone the united states? can protests and marches and widespread activism against intolerance be sustained and pointedly directed for long periods of time with the decentralized leadership you see nowadays with protest groups? No, which is why I think taking an active role within the institutions of the Democratic Party is fundamental long term. We have this system around us, we just need to seize it. You get legitimacy for national (and state and local) initiatives by winning elections. stone cold posted:今天我們都是饅頭的小孩子。 למה מה קרה?
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It's bad to use force that doesn't do anything. If punching Spencer doesn't deter him, it is bad. Not as bad as being a Nazi, but bad. If it deters him, it is good. We should put thought into finding the optimal level of force to deter Nazis and prevent them from getting what they want. It is just as possible (and possibly just as good) that the answer to "how much force?" is "none" or "lots" and the two answers would be equally good if each of them were true. Like sure if you give me two options and say they're both equally good I'll take the nonviolent one but if more violence is what's needed I don't see myself losing sleep over using violent means to achieve political aims. WWII comes to mind as precedent here. So I don't agree with AA entirely, but on some points.
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The media is outright working against you and working hard for their corporate masters to suck up to their new chief nazi The Iraq war protests back in the bush years were on par with the Vietnam protests but the media refused to cover it fairly. I think now people have enough of a grasp of alternative media like twitter that they can get around the corporate media. And besides now trending = $$$ = MSM coverage. That's why CNN replayed Democracy Now!'s footage of police violence at Standing Rock: it was trending
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Pirate Radar posted:It's bad to use force that doesn't do anything. If punching Spencer doesn't deter him, it is bad. Not as bad as being a Nazi, but bad. If it deters him, it is good. I said before that I think violence is necessary sometimes. It needs to be used in a controlled manner, otherwise it gets out of hand, though.
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stone cold posted:今天我們都是饅頭的小孩子。 現在飢渴了，謝謝
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They didn't punch any innocent bystanders or gormless supporters. They punched the Hitler wannabe himself. Pretty direct and controlled, if you ask me
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Absurd Alhazred posted:No, which is why I think taking an active role within the institutions of the Democratic Party is fundamental long term. We have this system around us, we just need to seize it. You get legitimacy for national (and state and local) initiatives by winning elections. 雖然我看不懂希伯來語， 但是我希望你學習猛击法西斯真是顶呱呱的。
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stone cold posted:雖然我看不懂希伯來語， 但是我希望你學習猛击法西斯真是顶呱呱的。 אני יודע כיצד, אלא שאני בוחר לא לעשות כן.
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Pirate Radar posted:現在飢渴了，謝謝 不客氣，同志。
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That punch was literally the best kind of instrumental suppressive violence. Just as he is about to speak to media, completely interrupts/overrides him speaking his views, has a clear connection to others who might speak up the same views and get the same.
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visceril posted:The media is outright working against you and working hard for their corporate masters to suck up to their new chief nazi did you quit
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I said before that I think violence is necessary sometimes. It needs to be used in a controlled manner, otherwise it gets out of hand, though. So is it your contention that Nazi punching is an epidemic that needs to be slowed down or what
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Pirate Radar posted:It's bad to use force that doesn't do anything. If punching Spencer doesn't deter him, it is bad. Not as bad as being a Nazi, but bad. If it deters him, it is good. well yeah that's why you gotta follow up with a brick to the head
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i am impressed that despite a bunch of people stepping down, there weren't any real flameouts
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I gotta hit the sack and sleep but I just want to emphasize that Richard Spencer being punched was cool and good Debates about the instrumentality of violence I think its clear right - he was about to put out his views of pepe, instead he gets punched. If he was just going to the post office it might be different.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:אני יודע כיצד, אלא שאני בוחר לא לעשות כן. 哎喲，你是全世界最乏味大壞蛋之一。
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I said before that I think violence is necessary sometimes. It needs to be used in a controlled manner, otherwise it gets out of hand, though. I agree with this, and I'm also uncomfortable with celebrating violence for violence's sake. It's really difficult for me to have conversations where people roll their eyes at me like "oh what you're getting all bothered about violence against Nazis now?"--because that's not the impression I ever try to give people. I just want this poo poo to be efficient and not counterproductive. At the end of the day it's pretty likely though that the debate to be having isn't "should we punch Nazis" but "how much should we punch Nazis, and how often?"
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