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Chelb posted:sort of off topic, but whenever it comes to PoC i don't ever want to criticize them for not comporting themselves like MLK or Gandhi or something. There's an argument to be made that non-violent resistance has been (not sure what word to use here) pedestalized, whitewashed, and rendered vague so as to be seen as the only effective form of protest, and i myself should not be the one telling a black person how to properly react to bigotry  , and even when people do do nonviolent protests like kap, white America loses their goddamn minds
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stone cold posted:哎喲，你是全世界最乏味大壞蛋之一。 מגלגל עיניים.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:מגלגל עיניים. lol you tedious babyman
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Chelb posted:sort of off topic, but whenever it comes to PoC i don't ever want to criticize them for not comporting themselves like MLK or Gandhi or something. There's an argument to be made that non-violent resistance has been (not sure what word to use here) pedestalized, whitewashed, and rendered vague so as to be seen as the only effective form of protest, and i myself should not be the one telling a black person how to properly react to bigotry I tend to think that a diverse strategy is gonna get the best results, but yeah I'm also not gonna be the one telling disadvantaged people how they should protest, I try to understand why people do whatever they do
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stone cold posted:lol you tedious babyman I'm not putting a gun to your head forcing you to respond to me, you know. I'm not a mod anymore, so you can put me on your ignore list, and never have to worry about my stupid cowardly liberal bullshit ever again.
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I'd like the world to operate cleanly on pacifism, but there's sort of a point where, even before the inauguration, you saw right wingers starting to push regulation to legalize the murder of protesters, where you start to realize what a tenuous position political pacifism is. By the time you have a just reason to defend yourself, you're already behind in terms of organization and tolerance of use of force to actually resist in any fashion.stone cold posted:
this too. don't worry about giving the fascist types a "just" reason to come after you, you've already given them enough by virtue of existing.
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Did the anarchist get away after the punch? It seems like one of the fool reporters legitimating the nazi by filming him tried to grab the heroic puncher. I hope he got away and will get to punch another day.
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Jack Gladney posted:Did the anarchist get away after the punch? It seems like one of the fool reporters legitimating the nazi by filming him tried to grab the heroic puncher. I hope he got away and will get to punch another day. In the end there should be a little Punch Man in all of our hearts.
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There's a whole spectrum between pacifism and gloating about a dude being punched in the face, though.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:There's a whole spectrum between pacifism and gloating about a dude being punched in the face, though.  now why would I want to ignore this
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stone cold posted:
I have no idea what your entertainment consumption profile is, so beats me! 
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Absurd Alhazred posted:There's a whole spectrum between pacifism and gloating about a dude being punched in the face, though. Yeah, I don't know how wide it really is but it's there.
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I'm not a thread regular is this guy for real? I think he's silly.
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Murrah posted:That punch was literally the best kind of instrumental suppressive violence. Chelb posted:sort of off topic, but whenever it comes to PoC i don't ever want to criticize them for not comporting themselves like MLK or Gandhi or something. There's an argument to be made that non-violent resistance has been (not sure what word to use here) pedestalized, whitewashed, and rendered vague so as to be seen as the only effective form of protest, and i myself should not be the one telling a black person how to properly react to bigotry stone cold posted:
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Regarde Aduck posted:I'm not a thread regular is this guy for real? I think he's silly. We are all for real. Except Avs, who is beyond the real.
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I worry that what's happening here is that when I say "I don't think we should celebrate violence" it comes off as saying I think I'm too good for it, or that I'm better in some way than people who are happy that the Nazi man got punched (nevermind that I am also happy that the Nazi man got punched because I think it's probably useful)--I dislike celebrating violence because I don't think I'm better than anyone, including Richard Spencer.
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Pirate Radar posted:I worry that what's happening here is that when I say "I don't think we should celebrate violence" it comes off as saying I think I'm too good for it, or that I'm better in some way than people who are happy that the Nazi man got punched (nevermind that I am also happy that the Nazi man got punched because I think it's probably useful)--I dislike celebrating violence because I don't think I'm better than anyone, including Richard Spencer. i think you are better than richard spencer
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Tiler Kiwi posted:i think you are better than richard spencer
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Tiler Kiwi posted:i think you are better than richard spencer I know, I just disagree, and I think it's fine that we disagree about it. It's just a central part of my worldview. Not specifically lil' dickie spencer, mind you, just not being better (or worse) than anyone else.
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Tiler Kiwi posted:i think you are better than richard spencer
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Why does he make so many preposterous faces? "President Trump" with that goddamn idiot expression. He's like a five-year-old. He's a cartoon. How can he be destroying everything so efficiently?
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Pirate Radar posted:I worry that what's happening here is that when I say "I don't think we should celebrate violence" it comes off as saying I think I'm too good for it, or that I'm better in some way than people who are happy that the Nazi man got punched (nevermind that I am also happy that the Nazi man got punched because I think it's probably useful)--I dislike celebrating violence because I don't think I'm better than anyone, including Richard Spencer. I think this is a good perspective. 
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there's definitely value in refusing to give white supremacist views a platform, and i think that value extends everywhere from punching a dude to, say, refusing to let a holocaust denier speak at a college. anything that interrupts the public expression of bigotry has an inherent power to it, and it's smart to recognize that even if one disagrees with the violent forms of silencing hatred
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Jack Gladney posted:Why does he make so many preposterous faces? "President Trump" with that goddamn idiot expression. He's like a five-year-old. He's a cartoon. How can he be destroying everything so efficiently? I've spent loving ages thinking about this. His whole persona and affect must be received so much differently by his voters, even his reluctant voters and never mind the diehards.
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Pirate Radar posted:I've spent loving ages thinking about this. His whole persona and affect must be received so much differently by his voters, even his reluctant voters and never mind the diehards. I've never seen a photo of him where he wasn't mugging in some outrageously exaggerated way. Even his smile looks like a frame from Chuck Jones' cartoon adaptation of The Grinch Who Stole Christmas. How do you think his voters receive that kind of thing?
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please consult ben garrison cartoons for to overcome your liberal distortion of the brave warrior trump
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Tiler Kiwi posted:please consult ben garrison cartoons for to overcome your liberal distortion of the brave warrior trump but that would require looking at a ben garrison cartoon, like, with human eyes
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Jack Gladney posted:Why does he make so many preposterous faces? "President Trump" with that goddamn idiot expression. He's like a five-year-old. He's a cartoon. How can he be destroying everything so efficiently? I think his cartoonishness almost deflects from his rotten core. You're too busy guffawing over "STUPID THING TRUMP DID #∞" to effectively oppose his policies.
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if one agrees with MLK that violence is the language of the unheard, then i think it follows that the catharsis felt by richard spencer getting punched the gently caress out represents the emotions of the unheardJack Gladney posted:I've never seen a photo of him where he wasn't mugging in some outrageously exaggerated way. Even his smile looks like a frame from Chuck Jones' cartoon adaptation of The Grinch Who Stole Christmas. How do you think his voters receive that kind of thing? I think they care much less about Trump the corporeal human being and more about what Trump represents. In an age where political opinions and propaganda can be shared without any sort of face to face interaction at all, physical and verbal charisma becomes only as important as you want it to be.
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https://twitter.com/prttybadtweeter/status/822620848897069056 Yeah I know the mixed metaphors/true meaning of the song who cares this rules Seriously though at the end of the day the individual Richard Spencer is a total irredeemable rear end in a top hat and absolutely had that sweet skull punch coming
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Jack Gladney posted:I've never seen a photo of him where he wasn't mugging in some outrageously exaggerated way. Even his smile looks like a frame from Chuck Jones' cartoon adaptation of The Grinch Who Stole Christmas. How do you think his voters receive that kind of thing? I've tried this out and I think there are two main groups. On the one side you have people who are glad that he's so smug, glad that he's blustery and talks over people and just says whatever he wants to be true. They get excited seeing him be a jerk to people because they think it's funny and they'd do the same, or try to do the same, in his position. These are the people who heard the "grab 'em by the pussy" tape and laughed, imagining themselves grabbing pussies. I think these people are mostly male, but there will be some women in there who just like to see Trump be Trump. On the other side you must have people who are not diehard Trumpers but have maneuvered themselves into supporting him because of their opposition to Democrats, liberals in general (in the American sense), social justice warriors telling them what to do aaaaargh, and Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi Hillary Lied. They would probably have preferred Mike Pence as the headliner nominee but they'll hold their nose and vote for Trump because it lets the Republicans keep sticking it to those people. As the election went on I actually suspect that some of this group moved into the first group because of inertia and not wanting to admit they were going to vote for a candidate they thought was a gross, classless orange gremlin. These are people who heard the "grab 'em by the pussy" tape and shut their ears, or locked it away behind doublethink, or shouted even louder about Ben Ghazi and the Private Server, or, for some of them, hoped that he would drop out.
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:I think his cartoonishness almost deflects from his rotten core. You're too busy guffawing over "STUPID THING TRUMP DID #∞" to effectively oppose his policies. wow what a loving horrible av+redtext to give somebody
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Pirate Radar posted:I worry that what's happening here is that when I say "I don't think we should celebrate violence" it comes off as saying I think I'm too good for it, or that I'm better in some way than people who are happy that the Nazi man got punched (nevermind that I am also happy that the Nazi man got punched because I think it's probably useful)--I dislike celebrating violence because I don't think I'm better than anyone, including Richard Spencer. hmm, yeah i think you're a loving moron
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Chelb posted:wow what a loving horrible av+redtext to give somebody  no worse than the ridic uncle tom one
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or maybe you need meds, one of the two either way you should know you're better then the racist dude, and if you don't its either being stupid or something medical
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Pirate Radar posted:I've tried this out and I think there are two main groups. this is correct It's a whole shitload of spite Trump is a living breathing middle finger pointed toward whatever it is these people hate, updated daily
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Chelb posted:if one agrees with MLK that violence is the language of the unheard, then i think it follows that the catharsis felt by richard spencer getting punched the gently caress out represents the emotions of the unheard Agreed.
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Pirate Radar posted:I dislike celebrating violence because I don't think I'm better than anyone, including Richard Spencer. If you don't think you're better than a Nazi who advocates for genocide, then either you're a real garbage human being (not likely, very few people are, but I don't really know you so ) or you've got way too low of an opinion of yourself (much more likely).
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