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Powaqoatse posted:There's a similar thing about oranges  Apparently, naranj is used in Arabic specifically for 'a bitter orange', like the oranges they use in curacao and other liqueurs. Then the Portuguese showed up later with the first oranges that didn't taste like rear end, so common oranges are now named after them.
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lol i posted that map collection earlier in this thread but apparently dutch messed me up & made think that other germanic languages were all about the china apples (oh poo poo it actually is there soz) also forgot the poland <-> pomerania connection there
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Powaqoatse posted:that is amazing I believe so. I think there was one bit where he described how, when Queen and Elton John performed together at the Ballet for Life in Paris in 1997, you could see the "visible hatred" in the eyes of John Deacon, Brian May and Roger Taylor whenever they looked at Mr Dwight. The entire screed used to be online as a PDF but I haven't been able to find it. The first Google result for the author's name (M. H. Ahundova) is a link to me mentioning it in another SA thread three years ago! 
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Wheat Loaf posted:I believe so. I think there was one bit where he described how, when Queen and Elton John performed together at the Ballet for Life in Paris in 1997, you could see the "visible hatred" in the eyes of John Deacon, Brian May and Roger Taylor whenever they looked at Mr Dwight. hahaha wow so weird to even use a late 90s thing as proof of anything queen/elton john related. thats like saying yeah i know for a fact that idk the rolling stones are massively in debt (p sure i saw mick jagger look very meanly at the drummer guy who has all the money at a 2002 concert)
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Safety Biscuits posted:Regarding Phantom Time/New Chronology, the idea that people were multiplying and distorting an accurate history isn't, actually, impossible (although yes these two are insane and stupid.) One historian has concluded that Khmer chronicles written circa 1800 describe the time after the fall of Angkor, about 1430-1580, but it's basically totally fictional. The historians felt they had to write something, but didn't have any traditions about this period and were imitating Thai culture. Chinese civilization has existed, by official decree, for five thousand years.
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Powaqoatse posted:holy Longitude is hard. Amerigo Vespucci came up with the first method to determine one’s longitude not long after that globe was made. It was an important development, and, in my opinion, a good enough reason to name two continents after him. Before that, the best you could do was ”Cipangu is <x> days of sailing from Beiping”. You have to piece together a lot of accounts, with unreliable records of winds and currents. That leaves you vulnerable to overestimating the size of landmasses. Or underestimating them, but a blank hemisphere simply will not do. Platystemon has a new favorite as of 17:51 on Jan 21, 2017 |
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for some reason i thought the greeks figured out both longitudes & latitudes.
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Powaqoatse posted:ya but also there are full wood-ring chronologies of like 3 types of trees back to like 20k years ago that match up with p much any historical source so I think you're saying that modern technology shows that premodern lists of kings and deeds are wrong, which is, uh, no poo poo, Sherlock? I'm not sure how useful dendrochronology would be in Cambodia anyway, I think the book I read mentioned that most of the wood had rotted away over the centuries. As for the pseudohistorians, if they can't lie about it or distort it they say it's inaccurate.
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Safety Biscuits posted:I think you're saying that modern technology shows that premodern lists of kings and deeds are wrong, which is, uh, no poo poo, Sherlock? I'm not sure how useful dendrochronology would be in Cambodia anyway, I think the book I read mentioned that most of the wood had rotted away over the centuries. As for the pseudohistorians, if they can't lie about it or distort it they say it's inaccurate. im not saying that at all im saying those weird revised chronologies from russia have a shitload of problems to fix before they can even attempt to match up with archaeological records (one of which being the combined dendrochronology of northern/dry trees).
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I know you can play Europa Universalis with randomized New World but is there a mod for a Columbus World which removes Americas and shortens the distance between Europe and Asia?
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Powaqoatse posted:im not saying that at all They don't, though, because they're not history at all, just propaganda. Being accurate and verifiable would defeat the object of the exercise! E: I think you read my first post as "makes u think" where it was actually "Some people accidentally made up some history in the way Fomenko thinks early modern Europeans did, what a weird coincidence & historical fun fact". Safety Biscuits has a new favorite as of 18:05 on Jan 21, 2017 |
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Powaqoatse posted:for some reason i thought the greeks figured out both longitudes & latitudes. They very well may have worked out the idea, but actually finding precise longitude at sea was basically impossible before marine chronometers.
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Safety Biscuits posted:They don't, though, because they're not history at all, just propaganda. Being accurate and verifiable would defeat the object of the exercise! haha poo poo yea sorry we're on the same page now
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hogmartin posted:They very well may have worked out the idea, but actually finding precise longitude at sea was basically impossible before marine chronometers. yeah just the idea. there's the whole requirement of precise time keeping on top of that
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“There are minor problems with the conventional chronology, Q.E.D. Hadrian and Catherine that Great were the same guy” is the sort of argument that creationists and climate change deniers use. It’s not enough to show minor problems with the conventional account. You also have to demonstrate that yours is at least as good in all other areas.
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Powaqoatse posted:haha poo poo yea sorry we're on the same page now  No worries man, we're cool.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Chinese civilization has existed, by official decree, for five thousand years. China and Korea are constantly trying to one-up each other over who has the oldest (and therefore best) civilisation. There's an insane Korean conspiracy theory saying Korea conquered half the world 9000 years ago, based mainly on the fact that some random place names around the world sound vaguely like the made-up names in a Korean fairy tale.  From the A/T history thread: Grand Fromage posted:All the colored areas are places that crazy Koreans claim were part of the ancient Korean empire, which was founded in 7197 BCE and ruled much of the world until 3898 BCE. Conveniently, this is all before writing was invented (by Koreans). The reasoning is based on an ancient book of fairy tales and legends, the Samguk Yusa. This is not to be confused with the Samguk Sagi, which is more or less a historical work. Sweevo has a new favorite as of 19:05 on Jan 21, 2017 |
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Sweevo posted:China and Korea are constantly trying to one-up each other over who has the oldest (and therefore best) civilisation. There's an insane Korean conspiracy theory saying Korea conquered half the world 9000 years ago, based mainly on the fact that some random place names around the world sound vaguely like the made-up names in a Korean fairy tale. poo poo, marduk is mesopotamian tho. that definitely means that korea is the same as iraq
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Powaqoatse posted:whats that lil foot tho Thats italy.
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Phyzzle posted:And Western Europe's term comes from the Sanskrit word naranj, a produce of Arabic traders first bringing them from India. Which is odd, because it's "portugal" in Arabic. If it looks somewhat like an orange but tastes bitter, it's a grapefruit.
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When the first expansion to Age of Empires II came out, the game designers wanted to include Texas as one of the new "real world" maps you could use because that's where they were based. However, all of the other real world maps had descriptions in the selection menu which mentioned some famous medieval or Renaissance military event which took place there, which they didn't have for Texas. Their solution was to invent one, so the description for the Texas map said "Relive the classic Mayan and Korean skirmish over the Lone Star state!" and for years I was convinced it was something that really happened. 
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Wheat Loaf posted:When the first expansion to Age of Empires II came out, the game designers wanted to include Texas as one of the new "real world" maps you could use because that's where they were based. However, all of the other real world maps had descriptions in the selection menu which mentioned some famous medieval or Renaissance military event which took place there, which they didn't have for Texas. Their solution was to invent one, so the description for the Texas map said "Relive the classic Mayan and Korean skirmish over the Lone Star state!" and for years I was convinced it was something that really happened. An often overlooked subject in Texas History classes. 
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funmanguy posted:An often overlooked subject in Texas History classes. Did all books have that little blurb across the top in the 60s and 70s or just greasy-looking mass market paperbacks?
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Speaking of languages, Mbabaram is an extinct Australian aboriginal language. During 20th century study of the language, Robert Dixon asked what the word for "dog" is in Mbabaram. It's "dog." There's no evidence that the tribes who spoke Mbabaram had any connection with Europeans beforehand. By complete coincidence, they had independently chosen the exact same word as another language.
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Powaqoatse posted:lol i posted that map collection earlier in this thread but apparently dutch messed me up & made think that other germanic languages were all about the china apples (oh poo poo it actually is there soz) Polish etymology comes from pomo + arancia, so again, apples
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Sweevo posted:China and Korea are constantly trying to one-up each other over who has the oldest (and therefore best) civilisation. There's an insane Korean conspiracy theory saying Korea conquered half the world 9000 years ago, based mainly on the fact that some random place names around the world sound vaguely like the made-up names in a Korean fairy tale. Bitch please  
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canis minor posted:Polish etymology comes from pomo + arancia, so again, apples We also got that word in German (Pomeranze), except that it only refers to the bitter orange. The orange is “Orange“ too (except in the moon language of the northerners where it's “Apfelsine“) fake edit: and I'm not sure about that but I'm pretty sure I only know “Pomeranze“ from written sources, so maybe it's more of a northern thing too, perhaps even in connection to Slavic influence? Etymology is complicated and I love it
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Wouldn't there be like absurd amounts of materials left over from some huge ancient hyper war? I love the concept of continent spanning empires but goddamn come on guys it just didn't happen like that
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Safety Biscuits posted:Regarding Phantom Time/New Chronology, the idea that people were multiplying and distorting an accurate history isn't, actually, impossible (although yes these two are insane and stupid.) One historian has concluded that Khmer chronicles written circa 1800 describe the time after the fall of Angkor, about 1430-1580, but it's basically totally fictional. The historians felt they had to write something, but didn't have any traditions about this period and were imitating Thai culture. There's also the case of Pope John XX - to wit, there wasn't one, even though there's a Pope John XXI. Basically, medieval records listed Pope John XIV twice, listing both the period he was in power and the period of his reign he spent imprisoned by one of his rivals. A few centuries later, people got confused, thought the second listing was referring to another Pope John, and so Pope John XXI skipped XX to 'correct' the numbering. There's also the case of would-be Pope Stephen II, who died three days after being elected, before he could be officially consecrated. It's thus an issue of debate as to whether he should be counted as a Pope, and there's still a lack of consensus over the numbering of later Stephens. It's pretty easy for little errors to take root in official histories over time, especially in eras with poor or inconsistent records.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_(numbering) The most surprising thing about this is that they went fourteen Pope Johns before an antipope hosed everything up.
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I think it's been mentioned before in the thread, but the ordinals (those numbers that designate the order of monarchs with the same name) of Swedish monarchs are messed up since they follow a fabricated historical record. The current king is Carl XVI, but there's only been ten Carls on the throne.
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verbal enema posted:Wouldn't there be like absurd amounts of materials left over from some huge ancient hyper war? The hyper war timeline is a joke building on that infamous image 
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System Metternich posted:The hyper war timeline is a joke building on that infamous image I'm the incredibly mega super well defined y axis
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The Forgotten History of the Finno-Korean Hyperwar By Han Myung-soo Chapter 1: A History in Perspective History as it is taught today covers what are believed to be the most influential and world-changing events that have ever taken place. The French Revolution, the Second world war, the independence of the United States; various great wars, social policies, and catastrophes that have molded each and every society that we live in today. But there is one war that is not taught about in schools. Two great empires that have been forever lost due to the passage of time, human meddling, and simple bad luck. This book hopes to cover, catalog, and detail every facet of the greatest conflict to have ever taken place on our planet; the Finno-Korean Hyper War. The hyper war fought between the Finnish and Hwan empires brought about change that readers very often find difficult to believe. It is easy for us to think of the annihilation of a people when we are taught of the holocaust, or of the more successful battles between the Spanish Conquistadors and the Aztec empire. The difference between the Hwans and the Aztecs, though, is that we still remember the Aztecs. During and after the fall of the Hwan-guk, the Finnish empire set its sights on the complete destruction of any and all policies, relics, and other evidence that the Hwan empire had even existed at all. The bloodthirst of Hernando Cortez pales miserably in the face of the destruction campaign wrought by the use of the Finnish Empire's ultimate weapons of destruction. What the reader must understand is that the level at which the Finno-Korean hyper war changed and shaped the present day is unimaginably great. We are still discovering various elements of today's society that were left as mere imprints from the existence of the great empires and their various allies and enemies. Everything from governments to mere social interaction comes from our forefathers of a forgotten time. Would you believe that modern Finnish social etiquette is nothing more than the result of an extremely powerful biological weapon used against their ancestors by the Hwans? Most fall into doubt and suspicion long before they begin to believe the truth. So I hope you, the reader, are able to adequately let go of your perception and beliefs of the modern world, in order to fully understand these greatest of empires. I hope you, the reader, are among those who fail to accept the reality of this war due to preconceived notions of history and its evolution. I hope you are ready to learn of the greatest war to ever shape our every way of life. Chapter 2 
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System Metternich posted:The hyper war timeline is a joke building on that infamous image No I get that it's just I'm confused that people do think there were these immense empires well OK I'm not but damnit Korea you did not
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Carbon dioxide posted:The Forgotten History of the Finno-Korean Hyperwar
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Carbon dioxide posted:The Forgotten History of the Finno-Korean Hyperwar I would read that book. Also, the War on Autism is obviously not going too well
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These mentions of the Pope sent me on a Wikipedia spiral. It's now almost five am and I'm going to bed having watched a lot of clips of The Young Pope.
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Admiral Joeslop posted:These mentions of the Pope sent me on a Wikipedia spiral. It's now almost five am and I'm going to bed having watched a lot of clips of The Young Pope. In the 17th century the highwayman Dick Dudley bought a merkin and sold it to the pope claiming it a piece of St Peter’s beard. Dudley was paid 100 ducats for the merkin.
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