Should it be legal for other people to assault you if they disagree with you? This poll is closed. |
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Yes | 183 | 49.06% | |
No | 190 | 50.94% | |
Total: | 328 votes |
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i'd hope not, because if people with bad opinions went away to gulags then somethingawful wouldn't have anybody to make fun of, except people in gulags, and that gets old after awhile
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 18:47 |
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# ? Jun 5, 2024 04:25 |
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I think its probably ok for it to be illegal. Fortunately legality and morality are so far removed that we can keep punching stupid racist neo nazis and other conservatives in the face and laughing at them.
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 18:51 |
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I don't think we're supposed to tolerate evil by definition.
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 18:52 |
Yes, but Nazis are the exception, OP. Don't be an non-patriotic pussy.
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 18:53 |
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wizard on a water slide posted:It's good that the law and morality are two different things, because it should not be legal to assault people, but it is morally correct to assault Nazis. Not an emptyquote. Antifa have been punching Nazis for ages. It's a good thing.
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 18:57 |
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:serioustalk: i had no idea who richard spencer was until he got punched in the face, now suddenly i'm seeing him everywhere and he has a platform to play victim on and be listened to, because he got punched in the face shut the gently caress up (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 18:57 |
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:serioustalk: i had no idea who richard spencer was until he got punched in the face, now suddenly i'm seeing him everywhere and he has a platform to play victim on and be listened to, because he got punched in the face I'm sorry you haven't been paying attention to the news. He had a huge article on NYT not too long ago.
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 19:00 |
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The REAL Goobusters posted:shut the gently caress up This is place is going downhill fast. You should kill yourself. Or maybe I should? Ah, who knows shut the gently caress up. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 19:03 |
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BlackIronHeart posted:If you sympathize with Richard Spencer for getting punched in the face, that literally makes you a Nazi sympathizer. If you're okay with that, you should consider punching yourself in the face. punch this nazi scum
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 19:04 |
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Deep Thought posted:This is place is going downhill fast. You should kill yourself. Quoted so you can't edit it out later.
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 19:04 |
Deep Thought posted:This is place is going downhill fast. You should kill yourself. Actually instead of killing himself he should punch Nazis.
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 19:08 |
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Shbobdb posted:I'm sorry you haven't been paying attention to the news. He had a huge article on NYT not too long ago. yeah i don't read the ny times, like most people, and i suspect i didn't see the article linked or tweeted or anything because drawing attention to articles written by nazis is considered kinda weird and bad
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 19:09 |
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like maybe not weird enough to punch someone over but weird enough to say "dude stop retweeting that nazi poo poo"
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 19:10 |
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:yeah i don't read the ny times, like most people, and i suspect i didn't see the article linked or tweeted or anything because drawing attention to articles written by nazis is considered kinda weird and bad Really? I'm sorry you are proud of your ignorance and seem to be happy surrounding yourself with ignorant people. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/richard-spencer-speech-npi/508379/ Here's an Atlantic article on the guy. This was big news for a while.
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 19:10 |
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:people aren't problems, yo Nazism is harmful. There's no non-harmful way to put nazism into action. Some opinions, like nazism, are dangerous and harmful on their own and you shouldn't just stand around going "well they haven't actually carried out their horrific ideals yet." Try to think of nazism as essentially conspiracy to commit genocide.
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 19:12 |
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Edit: Please don't post links to crowdfunders Donate to help an antifa that wasn't punched by the forces of reaction. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 19:13 |
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Shbobdb posted:Really? cool, i admit i've been a bit lost as to what news sites to follow lately, was reading cnn for awhile and it seemed to be nothing but "Trump tweets a thing" 24/7 might start following the new york times if it's considered trustworthy Higsian posted:Nazism is harmful. There's no non-harmful way to put nazism into action. Some opinions, like nazism, are dangerous and harmful on their own and you shouldn't just stand around going "well they haven't actually carried out their horrific ideals yet." Try to think of nazism as essentially conspiracy to commit genocide. it might be that i don't quite understand neo-naziism the same way as naziism, which has a horrible, twisted logic that once managed to convince people but i don't see it as capable of doing anymore, particularly not in the us having read about naziism a bit, my own opinion of it is that its ideas such as "germans are the ubermensch" and "mass collectivization and nationalization of the population and erasure of the individual" were once new and untested and thus managed to persuade a shitton of people to do a shitton of horrible things, but those ideas lack the mass appeal they once had i don't know what neo-naziism uses to spackle over naziism's shittiest and most obviously hosed ideas, and should maybe read about it to figure out what makes it so dangerous
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 19:20 |
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Calls for ethnic cleansing should have serious consequences. Racists should be scared. The resistance in WWII engaged in extreme illegal and unethical behavior that would make the average liberal today blanch and it turns out that's what's effective at combating fascists. The ones who insisted on fighting with words and a call to morals watched their countries get swept up in the turmoil by the nazis they failed to oppose. Whether it should be legal is not what should be focused on in this scenario, Spencer is afraid now, you will never convince me that's not loving worth it.
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 19:22 |
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Well the main difference between nazism and neo-nazism is the neo kind don't care so much about the economic parts of nazism and just jump straight to the white supremacy and kill all the untermenschen parts.
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 19:24 |
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There's no actual serious economic parts to nazism, they tried to be everything for everyone and ultimately just kinda ended up having to loot the poo poo out of everything to even maintain a semblance of a functional economy with no economic program in sight. The first thing they did in power included privatizing just about everything that was formerly nationalized.
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 19:26 |
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Just because your economic policies are terrible doesn't mean you don't have them. Ask Republicans.
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 19:28 |
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white nationalism at least hides itself in good feeling economic populism very often
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 19:30 |
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Legal if it is against open Nazis.
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 19:32 |
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Higsian posted:Well the main difference between nazism and neo-nazism is the neo kind don't care so much about the economic parts of nazism and just jump straight to the white supremacy and kill all the untermenschen parts. cool, that's a good summary of it to start on the issue, i suppose, comes down to the question of how many people are susceptible to taking up and acting harmfully upon white supremacist ideas if exposed to those ideas and that question is one i'll have to think about
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 19:35 |
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:cool, that's a good summary of it to start on All you need is one rear end in a top hat true believer and a bunch of other gullible assholes good at following orders.
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 19:38 |
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SSNeoman posted:Okay gently caress it this topic is a piece of poo poo anyway so I'll it up.
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 19:53 |
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TomViolence posted:All you need is one rear end in a top hat true believer and a bunch of other gullible assholes good at following orders. the problem i have here is that if one true believer is all it takes to make an idea too dangerous to be allowed into the public, questions get raised about an assload of ideas besides basic white supremacy basically every religion ever, for instance, and only particularly weird and fat people think religion is worth punching over
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 19:58 |
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i saw a video of one of those people pouring hot oil all over his dick once
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 20:01 |
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Guys like Spencer are going to start arming themselves in public and someone is going to end up getting shot.
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 20:02 |
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blowfish posted:one day you will be out of your depth and you won't know how to politics about a particular issue and then a nazi will punch you in the face and install a dictatorship
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 20:03 |
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AARO posted:Guys like Spencer are going to start arming themselves in public and someone is going to end up getting shot. discharging a firearm in washington dc under any circumstance sounds like a great way to get capped by a police sniper
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 20:04 |
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:the problem i have here is that if one true believer is all it takes to make an idea too dangerous to be allowed into the public, questions get raised about an assload of ideas besides basic white supremacy There are vanishingly few religions that openly advocate genocide these days. I mean I'm sure there's a couple and a pedantically literalist reading of any major religious text could probably turn up a few calls for ethnic cleansing, but come the gently caress on. If somebody's out there being politely indulged by the mainstream media while they try and put a respectful gloss on the wholesale murder of blacks, jews, gays and the like while appropriating the symbols of one of the most brutally efficient genocidal regimes in history I reckon a punch to the face is the bare minimum of what they're owed.
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 20:04 |
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:discharging a firearm in washington dc under any circumstance sounds like a great way to get capped by a police sniper The punchers will still be shot. AARO fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Jan 22, 2017 |
# ? Jan 22, 2017 20:06 |
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TomViolence posted:There are vanishingly few religions that openly advocate genocide these days. I mean I'm sure there's a couple and a pedantically literalist reading of any major religious text could probably turn up a few calls for ethnic cleansing, but come the gently caress on. If somebody's out there being politely indulged by the mainstream media while they try and put a respectful gloss on the wholesale murder of blacks, jews, gays and the like while appropriating the symbols of one of the most brutally efficient genocidal regimes in history I reckon a punch to the face is the bare minimum of what they're owed. genocide's a hell of a lot more difficult to pull off than just murdering some poor fucker, like in order to start a right and proper genocide of some county of the united states you'll need thousands of thoroughly indoctrinated neo-nazis working surreptitiously whereas to murder some dude, or a bunch of dudes, you just need some radicalized rear end in a top hat who screams Deus Vult and has a gun and/or truck, and that happens all the time as opposed to nazi killings, which at least to my knowledge aren't as common as they used to be granted, it's funner to punch out nazis than christians, i'll give you that
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 20:14 |
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"Genocide requires absolutely committed nazis", says person who has never heard of Hannah Arendt
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 20:17 |
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yeah we tried to genocide platte county the other day but not everyone was committed enough so we just threw all our razor wire and zyklon b back in the pickup and went home
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 20:19 |
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People who unironically advocate genocidal policies - like, literally, in real life - probably don't have much room to complain if they get punched by someone who objects to their "mass murder of minorities" policy, I M H O.
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 20:22 |
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[gazing upon aged pictures of cattle cars filled with bodies, mass graves filled with women and children, and black bodies swinging in the summer breeze] "if you punch them you're only lowering yourself to their level!"
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 20:22 |
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i think this might be more productive if we do a thought exercise: what would a modern-day organized uprising of neo-nazis in the united states look like, how would that work/get anywhere
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 20:23 |
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# ? Jun 5, 2024 04:25 |
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They won't have to do an uprising. Neonazis won through an alliance of convenience with center-right parties in the Reichstag. Then every horrible policy they wanted to enact became law.
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# ? Jan 22, 2017 20:25 |