IT Union?

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Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

bump_fn posted:

wtf is a monopsony

a monopoly is a market with a single seller
a monopsony is a market with a single buyer

if an employer has total control over a particular labor market, they are a monopsony, because they buy labor rather than sell it.

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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud: Apr 7, 2003

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

the "market," such as it is, is itself a creature of the negotiations between the union and the single buyer, the MLB

if the MLB wished to end all competition for players once and for all, they could lock out the players and begin again without the union.

You are wrong. The MLB does not employ a single baseball player.

It's okay to admit you're wrong when you're called on it. Just admit that you don't know what you're talking about and move on.

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bump_fn: Apr 12, 2004; _{two of them}

i dont believe thats a real word

its sounds like the freemium currency you need to buy in a playstation game

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Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Citizen Tayne posted:

You are wrong. The MLB does not employ a single baseball player.

It's okay to admit you're wrong when you're called on it. Just admit that you don't know what you're talking about and move on.

the MLB does not sign any paychecks, it's true. nevertheless, all professional baseball players in the united states are employed by MLB franchises, and MLB performs all labor negotiations on the behalf of their franchisees.

they literally have an anti-trust exemption written into law for this poo poo dude.

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big scary monsters: Sep 2, 2011; -~Ｓｋｕｌｌｗａｖｅ~-

so are unions good or bad now??

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Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

bump_fn posted:

i dont believe thats a real word

its sounds like the freemium currency you need to buy in a playstation game

it's not really a situation that comes up very often unless you study either labor economics or colonialism

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bump_fn: Apr 12, 2004; _{two of them}

big scary monsters posted:

so are unions good or bad now??

unions are good

monopsonies arent a real word

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Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

big scary monsters posted:

so are unions good or bad now??

unions are mostly good but the pittsburg pee rat doesn't seem to understand how and why unions are formed

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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud: Apr 7, 2003

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

the MLB does not sign any paychecks, it's true. nevertheless, all professional baseball players in the united states are employed by MLB franchises, and MLB performs all labor negotiations on the behalf of their franchisees.

they literally have an anti-trust exemption written into law for this poo poo dude.

No, the loving MLB doesn't negotiate contracts. They negotiate the CBA. The individual teams negotiate contracts.

http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/los-angeles-dodgers/clayton-kershaw-5273/

You have no idea what you're talking about.

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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud: Apr 7, 2003

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

unions are mostly good but the pittsburg pee rat doesn't seem to understand how and why unions are formed

You're really mad about being wrong.

# ? Jan 23, 2017 00:54

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

wait, how is union formed?

...i'm asking for a friend

# ? Jan 23, 2017 00:59

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

re: america's sport

are there any contractual differences between the divisions?

# ? Jan 23, 2017 01:01

bump_fn: Apr 12, 2004; _{two of them}

infernal machines posted:

re: america's sport

are there any contractual differences between the divisions?

NL plays like this
AL plays like this

# ? Jan 23, 2017 01:23

Alzabo: Oct 23, 2002; You watched it, you can't unwatch it.

Hey guys, does MLB or the individual teams have IT unions?

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bump_fn: Apr 12, 2004; _{two of them}

they have a monogamy

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Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

today i learned yospos is afraid of words you have to look up in a dictionary

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Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Citizen Tayne posted:

No, the loving MLB doesn't negotiate contracts. They negotiate the CBA. The individual teams negotiate contracts.

the cba determines the terms of all contracts, just like the franchise agreement determines in extraordinary detail how the franchisees will behave

it's also worth noting the cba is, itself, a contract

a master contract, negotiated by a union and the mlb, determines the possible terms in all individual contracts

# ? Jan 23, 2017 02:29

bump_fn: Apr 12, 2004; _{two of them}

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

today i learned yospos is afraid of words you have to look up in a dictionary

i saw it in dictionaries and I'm still not convinced it's a word

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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud: Apr 7, 2003

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

the cba determines the terms of all contracts, just like the franchise agreement determines in extraordinary detail how the franchisees will behave

it's also worth noting the cba is, itself, a contract

a master contract, negotiated by a union and the mlb, determines the possible terms in all individual contracts

Holy poo poo, look at those goalposts fly.

You are wrong.

# ? Jan 23, 2017 02:31

Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

bump_fn posted:

i saw it in dictionaries and I'm still not convinced it's a word

you have a good ear for backformations

as with a lot of greek-sounding academic terms it is a modern invention. someone took the (actual greek word) monopoly and created monopsony after the same pattern, in order to describe an analogous situation for a buyer instead of a seller

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Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Citizen Tayne posted:

Holy poo poo, look at those goalposts fly.

You are wrong.

i don't think you understand how a corporation works. the "competition" between the pittsburgh pirates and the new york mets would be little different from "competition" between a pontiac plant and a chevrolet plant.

the important difference is that the mlb is a monopsony, so the artificial "competition" between franchises, enforced by a union contract, creates real benefits for the employees. it's a sham, but it's a valuable sham.

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H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

unions are mostly good but the pittsburg pee rat doesn't seem to understand how and why unions are formed

we must do way instain sportsmans

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H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

i don't think you understand how a corporation works. the "competition" between the pittsburgh pirates and the new york mets would be little different from "competition" between a pontiac plant and a chevrolet plant.

the important difference is that the mlb is a monopsony, so the artificial "competition" between franchises, enforced by a union contract, creates real benefits for the employees. it's a sham, but it's a valuable sham.

lol you think tori is arguing in good faith

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Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

lol you think tori is arguing in good faith

benefit of the doubt

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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud: Apr 7, 2003

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

i don't think you understand how a corporation works. the "competition" between the pittsburgh pirates and the new york mets would be little different from "competition" between a pontiac plant and a chevrolet plant.

the important difference is that the mlb is a monopsony, so the artificial "competition" between franchises, enforced by a union contract, creates real benefits for the employees. it's a sham, but it's a valuable sham.

You do not seem to understand that the Pirates and the Mets are completely different companies that are not associated in any way beyond membership in the MLB.

The MLB does not employ a single baseball player.

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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud: Apr 7, 2003

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

lol you think tori is arguing in good faith

He's completely wrong and he can't admit it.

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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud: Apr 7, 2003

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

i don't think you understand how a corporation works. the "competition" between the pittsburgh pirates and the new york mets would be little different from "competition" between a pontiac plant and a chevrolet plant.

the important difference is that the mlb is a monopsony, so the artificial "competition" between franchises, enforced by a union contract, creates real benefits for the employees. it's a sham, but it's a valuable sham.

I'm quoting this again because it's incredible how wrong it is.

Pontiac and Chevrolet are trademarks owned by one corporation.

The Mets and the Pirates are entirely separate companies.

You are, and continue to be, wrong.

# ? Jan 23, 2017 02:47

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud: Apr 7, 2003

"all mlb teams are one corporation adurr durrrrr" - Guy who lives in a world where pitchers are getting $250M+ contracts due to competition that he claims doesn't exist.

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Asymmetric POSTer: Aug 17, 2005

Citizen Tayne posted:

He's completely wrong and he can't admit it.

nbsd's 'tism is quite strong

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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud: Apr 7, 2003

mishaq posted:

nbsd's 'tism is quite strong

It's the most internet thing possible in that he made a simple mistake when talking about something he doesn't know anything about ("MLB is a monopsony"), and instead of saying "oh, okay, thanks for the correction" he argues for two hours about it because he's terrified of ever being seen to be wrong about anything.

# ? Jan 23, 2017 02:58

big scary monsters: Sep 2, 2011; -~Ｓｋｕｌｌｗａｖｅ~-

when is the op coming back to tell us more about their it union?

# ? Jan 23, 2017 03:08

H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

shitposters union local 219

# ? Jan 23, 2017 03:27

A Pinball Wizard: Mar 23, 2005; I know every trick, no freak's gonna beat my hands; College Slice

lol @ tori getting owned by nbsd of all people

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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud: Apr 7, 2003

A Pinball Wizard posted:

lol @ tori getting owned by nbsd of all people

Being dumb and wrong isn't owning anyone.

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BangersInMyKnickers: Nov 3, 2004; I have a thing for courageous dongles

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

i don't think you understand how a corporation works. the "competition" between the pittsburgh pirates and the new york mets would be little different from "competition" between a pontiac plant and a chevrolet plant.

the important difference is that the mlb is a monopsony, so the artificial "competition" between franchises, enforced by a union contract, creates real benefits for the employees. it's a sham, but it's a valuable sham.

yeah I remember my childhood of going down to the gm plant and cheering for my favorite line shift

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Stymie: Jan 9, 2001; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

we're straying away from the major point here that computer touchers aren't real workers and do not deserve to be in a union

# ? Jan 23, 2017 07:46

Asymmetric POSTer: Aug 17, 2005

do my fingers not ache after a long day of coding?

is my carpal tunnel not real?

are my obesity and diabetes from a sedentary work environment fueled by free sodas provided by my employer not job hazards?

stand up and unite fellow laborers, only together can we improve our conditions!

# ? Jan 23, 2017 07:53

H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

my union rep told me that standing desks cause varicose veins so that's why we have motorized adjustable stand/sit desks now

# ? Jan 23, 2017 08:52

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