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Plan Z posted:The key is there's no video of them doing those types of acts. Your average person generally believes Neo-Nazis are just non-violent slacktavists (I regularly see the fake "BLM has killed more people than the KKK/Neo-Nazis" bullshit line on social media), and in this case they're only seeing one side doing the act of a White Supremacist framing this as "shutting down someone's free speech" with violence. The only thing better than a dead Neo-Nazi is a converted Neo-Nazi, but I'm not going to give them something that at best for us gives him a sense of satisfaction and at best for them gives them social media propaganda. This only benefitted him. Maybe he should have pissed himself and started crying for his mummy, that would have been a real masterstroke.
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Plan Z posted:The key is there's no video of them doing those types of acts. Your average person generally believes Neo-Nazis are just non-violent slacktavists (I regularly see the fake "BLM has killed more people than the KKK/Neo-Nazis" bullshit line on social media), and in this case they're only seeing one side doing the act of a White Supremacist framing this as "shutting down someone's free speech" with violence. The only thing better than a dead Neo-Nazi is a converted Neo-Nazi, but I'm not going to give them something that at best for us gives him a sense of satisfaction and at best for them gives them social media propaganda. This only benefitted him. The entirety of Nazi politics is violence. Expressing Nazi beliefs is violence. Bringing violence to them delegitimizes their ability to talk about how strong and tough and alpha they are and keeps their hidden supporters from crawling out of their cesspools to try to recruit others. There is no situation where you are not justified in assaulting a Nazi.
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Plan Z posted:. Imagine if he poo poo himself and cried when he got arrested. Anytime he tried to rally people, anytime he was trying to rise in politics, people would ask "wait, is that the guy who poo poo himself and cried?". Spencer folded like a cheap lawn chair after one punch and had to run away. That's the key difference. If he had just snapped back and continued talking to the camera as if nothing happened, that would be the propaganda boost as you say. But now after one punch, the guy is scared out of his wits. He didn't just break, he shattered.
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Jan 23, 2017 04:09
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Improbable Lobster posted:The entirety of Nazi politics is violence. Expressing Nazi beliefs is violence. Bringing violence to them delegitimizes their ability to talk about how strong and tough and alpha they are and keeps their hidden supporters from crawling out of their cesspools to try to recruit others. You're ignoring the context of situations like this. He was there "non-violently demonstrating" and was punched by someone for speaking his mind. Just do me a favor and ignore what a Nazi "deserves" in retribution for violence inherent in their system (which this one likely did not commit in the name of White Supremacy in his lifetime). This only serves to give him propaganda ammo and gives us nothing. Nobody knew who this guy was yesterday, and now there are people willing to fall over themselves defending him. If there was no punch, thousands less people would know his name and even less would be there to sympathize with him.
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Jan 23, 2017 04:13
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Plan Z posted:Nobody knew who this guy was yesterday Not really true, he was already notorious from the "Hail Trump" video back around the election.
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Jan 23, 2017 04:13
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I mean maybe? To people who really want to be afraid of leftists he is now a darling for a while but for other people he's that Nazi guy who got punched and cried on the Internet about it
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Jan 23, 2017 04:15
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Plan Z posted:You're ignoring the context of situations like this. He was there "non-violently demonstrating" and was punched by someone for speaking his mind. Just do me a favor and ignore what a Nazi "deserves" in retribution for violence inherent in their system (which this one likely did not commit in the name of White Supremacy in his lifetime). This only serves to give him propaganda ammo and gives us nothing. Nobody knew who this guy was yesterday, and now there are people willing to fall over themselves defending him. If there was no punch, thousands less people would know his name and even less would be there to sympathize with him. People already know who is is, he's been on mainstream news sites. And on the contrary, it's good that its getting out that he is nazi scum. The people who are coming out to defend him are also outing themselves, which is a good thing
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Jan 23, 2017 04:15
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Do y'all really know that many Nazi defenders?
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Jan 23, 2017 04:17
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1stGear posted:You know who else thought it was a good idea to civilly engage with and appease fascists? That's right, Neville Chamberlain. (But secretly still a bad post)
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Jan 23, 2017 04:33
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Where are the comics?
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Jan 23, 2017 04:34
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Shangri-Law School posted:Do y'all really know that many Nazi defenders? There are more than a few on these here boards, friend. The level of irony they espouse is up to you to determine.
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Jan 23, 2017 04:35
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Chard posted:There are more than a few on these here boards, friend. The level of irony they espouse is up to you to determine. I think they mostly hang out on the gun board.
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Jan 23, 2017 04:38
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Plan Z posted:You're ignoring the context of situations like this. He was there "non-violently demonstrating" and was punched by someone for speaking his mind. Just do me a favor and ignore what a Nazi "deserves" in retribution for violence inherent in their system (which this one likely did not commit in the name of White Supremacy in his lifetime) such a tragedy when people ignore the context of situations like this. so do me a favor and ignore the context of his beliefs,
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Jan 23, 2017 04:40
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Guys, don't you get it, you can just beat nazis by debating them.
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Jan 23, 2017 04:48
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Tardigrade posted:Dr Seuss. Dr Seuss knew all along. You forgot the one about his promise to put America first.  And to prove it's not edited: http://library.ucsd.edu/speccoll/dswenttowar/index.html#ark:bb0000819h
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Jan 23, 2017 04:55
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Shangri-Law School posted:Do y'all really know that many Nazi defenders? Quite a few. Hell, my own grandmother argued to my face that Steve Bannon, who I got her to admit is in fact a Neo-Nazi, is actually A-OK because Obama. Literally, just, Obama probably had bad people on his team too, so it's okay that an actual Neo-Nazi is in the White House, advising Trump on every issue and writing his speeches. Also have at least one "friend" who "ironically" went 100% in on Trump during the election and spouting Reddit bullshit constantly. Also, we have a Nazi defender as our President now; Trump has been adamant that Bannon's totally a good guy and admirable person and whatnot. I think he has at least one other Neo-Nazi on his team too, maybe more. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Jan 23, 2017 |
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Jan 23, 2017 04:56
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Ularg posted:I think they mostly hang out on the gun board. TFR or GIP?
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Who is this? It looks kind of like Rall, but it's saying nice things about Obama, so...
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Shangri-Law School posted:Do y'all really know that many Nazi defenders? I've lived in rural Pennsylvania for about 20 years if that answers your question.
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Jurgan posted:Who is this? It looks kind of like Rall Hihohe posted:Where are the comics? But have some Italian WWI political cartoons (less nightmarish / chibi than the usual Italian WWI cartoons) 1  Italy being courted by both sides of the war before deciding to commit. 2  Drowning in the sea of neutrality, Italy will only take offers of territory that are rightfully hers. Mixed metaphors ahoy. 3  4  5  6  7 
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Jan 23, 2017 05:09
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duz posted:TFR or GIP? TFR, they mostly either shoot at gun ranges or play airsoft. The one I met seemed like he wasn't a white nationalist, just very fond of the look of Nazi Germany. Not sure how far the line blurs but maybe I shouldn't just poo poo talk another goon. Was funny though he never wanted to play anything other than Germany when we LANed Company of Heroes. He ended up buying me one of these, which took a bit for my brain to make the connection, but maybe I'm reaching:  (I got extremely lucky with google as there was a sticker on the back of this for the item number)
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Ularg posted:TFR, they mostly either shoot at gun ranges or play airsoft. The one I met seemed like he wasn't a white nationalist, just very fond of the look of Nazi Germany. Not sure how far the line blurs but maybe I shouldn't just poo poo talk another goon. Was funny though he never wanted to play anything other than Germany when we LANed Company of Heroes. Nope, that's straight-up a Totenkopf skull. The weirdly short, blunt crossbones behind the skull, the slightly saggy right eye socket, and the 3/4 angle are the giveaway.
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Somfin posted:Nope, that's straight-up a Totenkopf skull. The weirdly short, blunt crossbones behind the skull, the slightly saggy right eye socket, and the 3/4 angle are the giveaway. I think you'll find that it's actually just a symbol that our Hero Marines use to frighten their enemies, and is in no way related to something (I can't remember what) that America proudly but super reluctantly went to war and loving WON SINGLE HANDEDLY that one time, I can't remember when.
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Roland Jones posted:Also, we have a Nazi defender as our President now; Trump has been adamant that Bannon's totally a good guy and admirable person and whatnot. I think he has at least one other Neo-Nazi on his team too, maybe more. I still agree with this assessment. Yet with every look into his psyche -- both in and out of the white house -- I can't help shake the feeling that it may be the case that Donald J Trump has a brain functionally no different from a sieve. It is shockingly easy to tell when it's Bannon giving him words and when Trump is speaking his own, garbled thoughts.
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Xander77 posted:It has humans who look like humans and a sense of perspective, so... no. Well, let's say it's someone with more talent attempting a similar aesthetic.
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Jurgan posted:Well, let's say it's someone with more talent attempting a similar aesthetic. Uh, I don't see it, dude. I mean, I guess it has that "naive" school of cartooning, but otherwise there's absolutely nothing that suggests it's trying to look like Rall.
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I can't believe we live in a world where we actually have to defend the idea that punching Nazis is Good. Punching Nazis is Good. Of course, imagine being so despicable that everyone on the internet is arguing whether you getting sucker punched in the face is good or bad.
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MokBa posted:I can't believe we live in a world where we actually have to defend the idea that punching Nazis is Good. It's one of those "unpopular opinion puffin" memes that would actually get downvoted and never see the front page, unlike "I think women should know their place" which gets to the front page once a week.
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MokBa posted:I can't believe we live in a world where we actually have to defend the idea that punching Nazis is Good. I think we just reached peak mr. internet toughguyism
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Nenonen posted:I think we just reached peak mr. internet toughguyism The dam's broken, duder. Someone actually punched an internet tough guy who deserved it, and as a result the guy who got punched ran away crying and trying to make sure his hair was still pretty for the cameras.
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After The War posted:This may be the most accurate caption I have ever seen.
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Improbable Lobster posted:Assaulting someone who regularly calls for genocide only provides support for them if you're some kind of loving moron idiot clown. A nice thought. Now look at who you elected president and tell me he's not a loving moron idiot clown. Tell me that the people who voted for him are not loving moron idiot clowns. I'll sleep better.
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Jedit posted:A nice thought. Now look at who you elected president and tell me he's not a loving moron idiot clown. Tell me that the people who voted for him are not loving moron idiot clowns. I'll sleep better. They obviously are and punching a nazi in the face isn't going to make them worse somehow
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It's funny they used a TV action drama as justification for literal torture, but despite cinema's enduring tradition of punching our enemies the right is aghast over decking a neo-nazi.
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Jedit posted:A nice thought. Now look at who you elected president and tell me he's not a loving moron idiot clown. Tell me that the people who voted for him are not loving moron idiot clowns. I'll sleep better. Not all Trump voters are nazis, but all nazis voted for Trump.
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My grandfathers didn't live on rationed vodka and gruel made from dirty snow fighting in the great patriotic war for me to live in a world where punching Nazis is not okay. Always punch nazis always. Don't think about it, as soon as you think about whether a nazi getting punched is good or bad for the nazi or for you, you are already over-analyzing the situation. Punch the Nazis. Punch them for grandpop.
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Starving Wolf posted:My grandfathers didn't live on rationed vodka and gruel made from dirty snow fighting in the great patriotic war for me to live in a world where punching Nazis is not okay. Always punch nazis always. Don't think about it, as soon as you think about whether a nazi getting punched is good or bad for the nazi or for you, you are already over-analyzing the situation. Punch the Nazis. Punch them for grandpop. Just wash your hands first, you don't want to leave cheetodust stains.
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