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The Mrrshan war isn't our problem, so why bother getting involved, even tangentially by giving them tech. The Darloks, on the other hand, are 100% guaranteed to hit us with another Earth Incident (what's the official name for that, anways?) except an order of magnitude worse a few decades from now.
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Jan 26, 2017 00:59
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Crazycryodude posted:The Mrrshan war isn't our problem, so why bother getting involved, even tangentially by giving them tech. The Darloks, on the other hand, are 100% guaranteed to hit us with another Earth Incident (what's the official name for that, anways?) except an order of magnitude worse a few decades from now. Assuming that they aren't too busy with the Meklar Combine to do so. Bear that in mind in any calculations of Darlok threat.
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Jan 26, 2017 01:01
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We can make drat SURE they're too occupied (ha) to try any funny business.
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Jan 26, 2017 01:06
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Non-aggression pact with the Cat-People. Undecided on the Darloks, beyond "keep an eye out for shifty poo poo, and help the Meklars out by giving them excellent trade deals". I must say, I'm surprised so many people are ignoring the legendary planet we found, even if it is guarded by some kind of legendary ship. I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.
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Jan 26, 2017 01:07
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The only good ringwraith is a DEAD RINGWRAITH. Pursue non-aggression with the Mrrshan. Maybe try to grow Skooma on Paradise.
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Jan 26, 2017 01:14
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Stephen9001 posted:I must say, I'm surprised so many people are ignoring the legendary planet we found, even if it is guarded by some kind of legendary ship. Well, we weren't asked to vote on that. 
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Jan 26, 2017 01:19
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I againt state my support for an Alliance with the Mrrshan. These valiant people need our support in these trying times. (post made in case my vote before it became official doesn't count)
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Jan 26, 2017 01:20
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I'd like to propose that we rename our polity to The Republic of gently caress the Darloks. (ie full war prep for when they inevitably provoke us.) Incidentally, is anyone else getting really annoyed at the design of the Mrrshan Queen? It's like they had a design meeting that went, "How can we characterise this ruler to make her distinctive? Wait, I know - tits! And a cocktail dress! And flirting in every sentence!" I know it's a homage to old-school space opera, but even so. Eugh.
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Jan 26, 2017 01:23
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my dad posted:I againt state my support for an Alliance with the Mrrshan. These valiant people need our support in these trying times. There's a reason I said to vote after I posted the official vote. Makes tallying things simpler for me.
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inflatablefish posted:Incidentally, is anyone else getting really annoyed at the design of the Mrrshan Queen? It's like they had a design meeting that went, "How can we characterise this ruler to make her distinctive? Wait, I know - tits! And a cocktail dress! And flirting in every sentence!" They're fairly faithful to the original design: 
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inflatablefish posted:Incidentally, is anyone else getting really annoyed at the design of the Mrrshan Queen? It's like they had a design meeting that went, "How can we characterise this ruler to make her distinctive? Wait, I know - tits! And a cocktail dress! And flirting in every sentence!" That's pretty low on the list of things that annoy me, definitely after rocktits, MoO2 Gnolams, the game's taxation model, the Terrans, and the loving Alkari advisor. Having a mammalian alien actually be sexually appealing (either male or female) frankly doesn't even rate as much of an annoyance for me, if not done in an utterly ridiculous fashion. (I.e., I like the Mrrshan Queen better than the Syreen.)
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Jan 26, 2017 01:47
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But rock milk is a thing!  okay it doesn't come from tits, let alone alien silicoid tits, and slapping tits on everything is pretty much the hallmark of lazy rear end design choices e. like the artist who did these must have business cards that say why yes i am the one who put tits on a rock, hire me, i can give anything cleavage
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I've never played the Alkari, what's this dreaded advisor I hear about? Also, what's wrong with the Terrans? E: I just looked at both the Alkari and Terrans again and suddenly I understand. I wish I didn't. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Jan 26, 2017 |
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Jan 26, 2017 02:05
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nweismuller posted:That's an interesting breakdown. Who's the third terrifying species in your mind? 1. The Klackon are basically designed to fight wars, and it's hard to believe they've gotten more friendly since the last MoO LP. 2. The Darlok are obviously spy masters, which we've already seen can have extremely ugly effects even by a species with no bonuses toward espionage. 3. The Meklars probably killed all of their creators, or worse : better yet, they seem as geared for war as the Klackon. And if we're being technical, the spaceship near Orion won't be very nice either.
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nweismuller posted:That's pretty low on the list of things that annoy me, definitely after rocktits, MoO2 Gnolams, the game's taxation model, the Terrans, and the loving Alkari advisor. Having a mammalian alien actually be sexually appealing (either male or female) frankly doesn't even rate as much of an annoyance for me, if not done in an utterly ridiculous fashion. (I.e., I like the Mrrshan Queen better than the Syreen.) eh, I don't mind the Syreen. It's so ridiculously over the top it's hard to take seriously. Though they're not aiming for the same look. Man, remember when we were like "The bears just got dunked, lets not have a war eeeever again." Now it's like "AN ALIEN IN A CLOAK. BURN THEIR WORLDS AND SALT THE GROUND." Give peace a chance. Ammending my vote to Non-Aggression with the Mrr'shan. Maybe see if they want a more civilian or defense oriented tech to join us in an alliance and enforce their current borders against the Klakon.
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Veloxyll posted:Man, remember when we were like "The bears just got dunked, lets not have a war eeeever again." my dad posted:I againt state my support for an Alliance with the Mrrshan. These valiant people need our support in these trying times.
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Veloxyll posted:Man, remember when we were like "The bears just got dunked, lets not have a war eeeever again." Hey, I was never like that. I've been reliably jingoistic and drat proud of it. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Jan 26, 2017 |
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Jan 26, 2017 02:58
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thetruegentleman posted:3. The Meklars probably killed all of their creators, or worse : better yet, they seem as geared for war as the Klackon. Point of order. We actually know what happened to the Meklar Precursors. Xenorelations Council Report on the Meklars and Meklar Combine posted:When the first true Meklars were created, the Precursors were already a dying species, ravaged by the effects of virulent bioweapons released into their biosphere. The first Meklars to be created were a desperate attempt by a group of technicians and engineers which had survived until that point to create some chance for the continued survival of their culture, creating neural gel minds that could be peers to Precursors. A few thousand young Meklars were manufactured and given the rudiments of an education before the last of their creators died off, and the infant culture was left to fend for itself amidst the abandoned civilisation of the Precursors. It's difficult to pin the blame for the extinction of the Precursors on the Meklars, considering that what killed them was brought about before the first Meklar was made.
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Full alliance with the Mrrshan- might as well use our victorious fleets for something, and Klackon workers would give us a solid industrial base for shipbuiloding and whatnot. Cast the Darlok into Mount Doom- at the very least, we'll keep their super-spies from nicking everything we've got.
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Jan 26, 2017 03:39
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Full alliance with the Mrrshan Prepared peace with the Darlok's
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Non-agression pact with the Mrrshan -- we need to wait until we can be sure we can commit before we go into a full alliance. No mercy for the Darloks.
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The Solarian Republic now controls two worlds that were cradles for sentient life. To properly integrate the Bulrathi into a single workable civilization will be the work of at least another generation, maybe two. It is our position that the Bulrathi are culturally similar enough to Humanity that we may easily share a single Republic. We have no reason to believe this will scale to the Galaxy. Some other solution must be found to ensuring a stable shared prosperity throughout the Galaxy. Human and Bulrathi interests will be best preserved if individual self-determination is a widely held or at least respected value across the Galaxy—to this end the Mrrshan and Meklar are our natural allies while the Klackon and Darlok are particularly problematic. The Psilon are a relatively unknown quantity with good prospects for coexistence but very little hard data. The "Alkari" civilization is a complete unknown. I support the following priorities in domestic and foreign policy. from most immediate to most long-term: Minimize ecological cross-contamination between Sol and Ursa. This is most immediate primarily because one cannot unscramble an egg. The biodiversity of both homeworlds should be treated as precious, and medical research may require as well-preserved a source ecosystem as possible. Human and Bulrathi biology is known to be at least partially compatible—invasive species are a genuine risk for us all. Maintain IIA at a high level of vigilance. The Imperial spy agency is broken, but there are many more players now aware of our existence and of one another. Republic law should continue to hold over captured spies, but we must be sure of our targets. Actively Pursue a Non-Aggression Pact with the Mrrshan. We have already had several accidental confrontations. A clear delineation of rights and responsibilities will help avoid unpleasant incidents. We do not recommend a full military alliance at this time unless they actively request our assistance—immediate hostilities against the Klackon are not in our interests. Aggressively pursue information about unknown species. We should be trying to find the "Alkari" civilization, and we should be attempting to survey the Darlok civilization to see who exactly these beings truly are. It is impossible to assess the wisdom of confrontation without knowing more about their strength. It is inconsistent with Republic ideals to launch first-strike attacks against the unknown, so a peaceful but wary attitude towards the Darlok is our current recommendation. Investigate agricultural exchange with the Meklar. Humans and Bulrathi alike prize sugar as a cash crop, both in its own right and when refined or fermented. The Meklar, however, have been using sugar-bearing plants as their agricultural staple. If this crop is compatible with metamammalian biology it may improve our colony seedling kits. Begin laying groundwork for some kind of pan-Galactic forum for diplomacy and conflict resolution. This is presently premature given the current state of interstellar travel and communication, but it should be possible sooner rather than later.
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It looks like we're narrowing maintaining peace with the Darlok Administration for now, and concluding a non-aggression pact with the Mrrshan. What I do need is a tiebreaker vote between Economics and Computing research. On a semi-related note... Within the Defense Department, there are two rival theorists of interstellar logistics and strategy, both vying for support in commiting the Defense Department's doctrine to their way of thinking. Jason Harrison has advanced a doctrinal concept focused around the establishment of powerful strongpoints controlling points of access to the Republic's space, backed up by heavy fleet groups, serving as permanent guarantees of the Republic's territorial integrity, with powerful, concentrated strokes when necessary in offensives, then secured by solid and multilayered defenses. Gunther Bauer, on the other hand, has been an advocate for focusing Defense Department assets on training and logistics for scouts, pickets, anti-piracy vessels, and troop ship captains, ensuring that Space Fleet has the flexibility to adapt to changing conditions in war and firmly integrate its operations with the Army in support of planetary invasions. Only one, ultimately, can influence Defense Department policy in a permanent fashion, but who the Chiefs of Staff shall favor remains to be seen. Please vote between Harrison's or Bauer's doctrinal innovations, which will begin to be seen as economic and logistic research progresses. E: Also, current proposals for new Peacemaker battleships are the Scipio Africanus and George Washington. Other candidate names are being accepted, based on historical figures notable both for their greatness and their goodness. Likewise, one Hornigold-class frigate will require a name, based on a historical privateer or pirate-hunter, and one Rifleman-class frigate, named according to the standard of weapons or warriors like other escort frigates. nweismuller fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Jan 26, 2017 |
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Jan 26, 2017 06:27
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I wouldn't call a man who wrote a constitution that permitted slavery "good" but sure, whatever, it's your LP.
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M. D. Design Bureau wishes to give its full support to the Bauer doctrine. No strongpoint, no matter how strong, without fleet support, will hold off a dedicated assault by a stellar empire. And they don't do anything on the offense, either. Let us not build another Maginot Line. The Bauer doctrine will not only allow us to maintain a much larger number of adequate reaction forces to reinforce our existing defenses, it will allow us to concentrate far more power than we could so far in a single killing blow if the need arises.
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my dad posted:No strongpoint, no matter how strong, without fleet support, will hold off a dedicated assault by a stellar empire. Harrison would point out his proposed strategic stance would explicitly station powerful fleet forces in support of strongpoints.
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Jan 26, 2017 06:59
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nweismuller posted:Harrison would point out his proposed strategic stance would explicitly station powerful fleet forces in support of strongpoints. M.D. Design Bureau would wish to point at the map of the galaxy. Our main fleet cannot be everywhere, and without sufficient logistical flexibility, we cannot field a sufficent number of ships to have a sufficient number of sufficiently strong fleets, while still maintaining a sufficiently large attack force. As we have learned with the Bulrathi - defense does not end threats to the Republic. Our wars should be ligtning wars - Our main fleet looking for a single breakthrough point and with sufficient logistical tail to exploit it, while a flexible and mobile defense force keeps our homes safe. Light ships are the key to this. Not big overpriced battlecans that only look good on paper.
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The current size of our fleet seems entirely insufficient to fortify our entire borders. The Bauer doctrine appears more consistent with the realities of interstellar war to date. It appears that our civilization is currently coming in under-budget; if money is not the principle limit on our progress at this time, then computers make the most sense as a research priority. Focus on Objective projects promises advances that will not be as readily obsoleted. Lamia Domina fucked around with this message at 07:34 on Jan 26, 2017 |
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Likewise, two computing firms have been doing work at the cutting edge of technology, developing sophisticated learning algorithms. Republic Advanced Microtechnologies has been pushing the envelope for development of more powerful processors, expected to improve overall performance of many applications. Objective Infosystems has been applying learning algorithms to handle specialised corpuses of data, amongst which include structural stress analyses, medical database analysis as a diagnostic aid, and data mining. Which recieves greater investment and market success, however, is yet to be seen. Another vote, this time for computing alternatives, between RAM and Objective.
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OK, I'll start playing an update.
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Voting for Harrison. A spread out fleet is more flexible, but also requires a larger fleet. Economically and technologically, we might not be up to supporting this. Strongpoints are useful due to the nature of stellar waypoints - border worlds can be fortified, chokepoints maintained along our more defensible worlds. In the event of war, the fleet is mobilized along chokepoints as rally points and they are used as hubs. Jump Gates can also be established at defensive strongpoints to allow for quicker mobilization of the fleet from one world to another in the event of a crisis. Also voting for Objective.
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Well, this is fun. It appears there are precisely two ways to get to Alkari space, as there is only one direct access to the core from the Far Quadrant, and that is firmly in the hands of the FPQ. Either we can pay out the nose to get privileges to travel FPQ space, or alternately... Alkari space appears to have a point of access from the Spinward Quadrant, but that means we'd need to pass through both the High Queendom of the Mrrshan and then fight our way through Klackon space. That would be cheaper, but has obvious other complications. Also, let us observe a moment of silence for the Bulrathi Empire. It died as it lived: full of bloodthirsty hippie bears. E: Military doctrine votes are still open, but the computing advances have already been made.
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nweismuller posted:Alkari space appears to have a point of access from the Spinward Quadrant, but that means we'd need to pass through both the High Queendom of the Mrrshan and then fight our way through Klackon space. That would be cheaper, and has obvious other opportunities. Fixed it for you  It should also provide an impetus towards the Bauer Doctrine for Human military expansion efforts. Furthermore, I think the versatility proposed by Objective Infosystems' research would prove more beneficial in the long run.
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Just pay the Quanta. Jesus Christ, people, the Republic wasn't built on bathing in alien blood. We don't need to stab people when we're walking down the street. Bauer's doctrine seems to be more realistic for now - we're close to multiple unknowns and the ability to dynamically respond is very important right now. The Deleter fucked around with this message at 09:20 on Jan 26, 2017 |
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Jan 26, 2017 09:17
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The Deleter posted:Just pay the Quanta. Jesus Christ, people, the Republic wasn't built on bathing in alien blood. We don't need to stab people when we're walking down the street. Not all xenos share our values. I would have thought the second Bulrathi war finally taught you people that. Billions of our Mrr'shan friends may already be living under Klackon slavery and if we continue to neglect the situation they may not be around much longer - which will make the Klacks our problem to deal with alone.
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The Deleter posted:Just pay the Quanta. Jesus Christ, people, the Republic wasn't built on bathing in alien blood. We don't need to stab people when we're walking down the street. Well, what we'd need to pay is... 1440 BC total over a period of 20 years Our charts Designs for autonomous war machines for ground war guided by their own onboard AI ... and drat, that gets us a non-aggression pact and them refusing to talk free travel across their space. A High Queendom alliance and fighting across Klackon space is literally our only option for contacting the Alkari, unless we want to attack the FPQ. (Note: we do not want to attack the FPQ.)
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The Deleter posted:Just pay the Quanta. Jesus Christ, people, the Republic wasn't built on bathing in alien blood. We don't need to stab people when we're walking down the street. Because "Just paying" them involves relinquishing the fruits of decades of research in exchange for the possibly extremely temporary permission to walk across their lawn. We're playing a tech superiority race, giving our advantage away for such a paltry benefit is really dumb.
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A non-aggression pact with the Mrr'shan When our fleet finishes with Bears, crush Darloks.
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