Auspol January 2017: relentless incoherence and incompetence.

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thatfatkid: Feb 20, 2011; by Azathoth

Thanks for the new av mystery av buyer

It feels good to no longer be mislabeled a LNP supporter.

Also who's EM?

# ? Jan 26, 2017 10:18

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# ? May 24, 2024 16:35

G-Spot Run: Jun 28, 2005

I had to check QCS, but it's Exclamation Marx

# ? Jan 26, 2017 10:27

Starshark: Dec 22, 2005; Doctor Rope

I want to be owned too cool, sane and normal guy.

# ? Jan 26, 2017 10:31

norp: Jan 20, 2004; TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

let's invade New Zealand, they have oil

Perth fireworks cancelled,
Freo is gonna lord it over Barnett so hard

(No disrepect to the poor dead guys intended)

# ? Jan 26, 2017 11:53

Brown Paper Bag: Nov 3, 2012

http://www.perthnow.com.au/business/work/centrelink-robodebt-victims-exposed/news-story/750135b2fef524065f3a9d43b4bbae49

Turns out they were all rorting the system! Nothing to see here, move along.

# ? Jan 26, 2017 12:23

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

Brown Paper Bag posted:

http://www.perthnow.com.au/business/work/centrelink-robodebt-victims-exposed/news-story/750135b2fef524065f3a9d43b4bbae49

Turns out they were all rorting the system! Nothing to see here, move along.

Even taking that two thirds at face value that means a full third were issued in error.

A 1/3 error rate is pretty big.

# ? Jan 26, 2017 13:04

Konomex: Oct 25, 2010; a whiteman who has some authority over others, who not only hasn't raped anyone, or stared at them creepily...

norp posted:

Perth fireworks cancelled,
Freo is gonna lord it over Barnett so hard

(No disrepect to the poor dead guys intended)

Fremantle business council is putting on fireworks anyway. So, yeah...

Doesn't matter how Left I am, I always miss out on the totally uncool alt-right crazyman av buyouts.

# ? Jan 26, 2017 13:12

Laserface: Dec 24, 2004

Regardless of how anyone feels about Australia Day they should make all public holidays a floating date like good Friday, so that it always results in a three day weekend.

A single day off doesn't really help anyone and it's basically now a 4 day weekend since most true revellers will be too hosed up tomorrow to go to work.

While we're at it NSW could use one later in the year so move it to august or something.

# ? Jan 26, 2017 13:23

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Konomex posted:

Fremantle business council is putting on fireworks anyway. So, yeah...

Doesn't matter how Left I am, I always miss out on the totally uncool alt-right crazyman av buyouts.

I'm sorry

# ? Jan 26, 2017 13:24

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Starting to see some cool high quality video which supports the assertion that the NSW Police were completely responsible for the "violent clashes*" at the Sydney rally. Gotta protect those flags, also supports the narrative.

*only clash that occured

# ? Jan 26, 2017 13:50

MysticalMachineGun: Apr 5, 2005

Recoome posted:

Starting to see some cool high quality video which supports the assertion that the NSW Police were completely responsible for the "violent clashes*" at the Sydney rally. Gotta protect those flags, also supports the narrative.

*only clash that occured

Jesus the cops just materialise out of the crowd with force

# ? Jan 26, 2017 14:39

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

I had a decent hottest 100 day, cold pool in the afternoon, hot spa at night.

# ? Jan 26, 2017 14:57

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

quote:

The factional fight within the Greens is escalating into an all-out public brawl, with a senior member of Richard Di Natale's team now openly questioning the party's direction and prospects under his leadership.

NSW senator Lee Rhiannon has told Fairfax Media the party is at a "crossroads" and should channel the radical worker-driven policies of US presidential candidate Bernie Sanders to re-energise supporters - but her comments have drawn fire from party elder Bob Brown, who has re-entered the political fray to label her a wrecker and the "Greens version of Tony Abbott".

Other Greens figures say they are worried the party is losing votes to Labor and other minor parties under Senator Di Natale, as he attempts to steer it away from its protest roots and into the mainstream. There are concerns too from Greens in and outside Parliament the party has become "invisible" under Senator Di Natale's less media-driven approach.

But Senator Di Natale's supporters say the mostly NSW-based dissenters are just bitter about losing power and influence.

The public fight comes after the formation last month of a new far-left, anti-capitalist faction within the NSW Greens called Left Renewal. Senator Rhiannon says she is not a part of the faction, but she is closely linked to a number of its members and has publicly defended its right to exist.

"The Greens are at a crossroads, with Labor appearing to move left on some issues and minor parties also pulling our votes away," Senator Rhiannon told Fairfax Media

"We need to be able to inspire people and demonstrate that the Greens can challenge ruling elites and end the obscene and growing inequality both at home and abroad.

"The Bernie Sanders experience in the US shows that people with radical and anti-establishment policies can win mass support. How the Greens inspire people to join with us and vote for us is our challenge in 2017."

New polling analysis - commissioned by Senator Di Natale's critics and obtained by Fairfax Media - suggests the party's vote has been sliding since the July 2 election.

Based on data from every published opinion poll in 2016, the analysis finds the mean first-preference support for the party in the first half of the year was 11.23 per cent, compared to 10 per cent by the end of it.

"Many are waiting to see if Di Natale has the ability to put the spark and courage back into the Greens," a source connected to the polling said.

Another senior Green, who did not want to be named but is not part of the NSW factionalism, agreed the party's media profile had diminished under Senator Di Natale - partly because of the crossbench had taken the focus in the Senate but also because of a "culture" at the top.

"We're pretty invisible at the moment," the source said.

However, those aligned with Senator Di Natale say any decline in national polling numbers can largely be blamed on the "radical agenda" of the NSW branch dragging them down.

Mr Brown, who led the party from 1996 to 2012, believes the NSW branch is holding the party back, saying Senator Rhiannon and "her Left Renewal" are determined to destabilise the party.

"People say two things to me: what a good fellow Richard is and when is Lee going. NSW voters have often told me they won't vote Green until Lee goes. That's why Labor loves her," Mr Brown said.

"When it comes to political white-anting, Lee is the Greens' version of Tony Abbott."

One of Senator Di Natale's deputies, Scott Ludlam, urged an end to the divisions, saying progressives must unite to "overcome the hate and fear being peddled by people like Pauline Hanson and Donald Trump".

"Let's stop wasting energy squabbling and continue to work to advocate serious alternatives to unfettered, crony capitalism. That's what Richard and our Greens team are doing."

The party's performance at the election was a mixed bag. While there was a small swing towards them in the lower house they failed to pick up any new seats.

Their vote in the Senate was similar to 2013 - 8.65 per cent nationally - but they lost one senator from South Australia. They failed to replicate their 2010 success - when they garnered 13.1 per cent of the Senate vote - despite the public's palpable anger with the major parties.

NSW was among the worst-performing states. In an official, internal post-election analysis obtained by Fairfax Media, the Greens acknowledge the NSW result was disappointing. It concludes that with equivalent resources in NSW and Victoria, "there must be other reasons why the party continues to go backwards in NSW".

Fairfax Media has also obtained Greens membership data that shows there has been a small but steady increase in member numbers in most states since Senator Di Natale took over. However, the number of members in NSW has declined from 4689 in July 2015 to 4098 today, leaving overall national numbers stagnant.

And a membership survey conducted in November of last year suggests 85 per cent of Greens members want the party to be a party of government, rather than one of protest - a figure seen as a strong endorsement of Senator Di Natale's more mainstream approach.

About a quarter of members nominated NSW tensions - unprompted - as a key challenge holding the party back.

Left Renewal is seen as an escalation in the long-running factional battle between the heavily socialist so-called "eastern bloc" of the Greens and the middle-class environmentalists they dismiss as "tree Tories". Senator Di Natale has described the group's anti-capitalist agenda as "ridiculous" and has called on its members to consider joining another party.

Lee Tony Abbott Rhiannon

# ? Jan 26, 2017 17:12

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=149215622246752&id=100549827113332

# ? Jan 26, 2017 17:16

ModernMajorGeneral: Jun 25, 2010

Lid posted:

Lee Tony Abbott Rhiannon

Australian leftists need to swing to the radical policies of Bernie, like universal healthcare and a $15 min wage

# ? Jan 26, 2017 17:47

ZombyDog: Jul 11, 2001; Ere to fix yer gubbinz

hooman posted:

I had a decent hottest 100 day, cold pool in the afternoon, hot spa at night.

I spent mine in Latrobe, racing ferrets. Had a really nice BBQ platter with pulled pork, brisket, smoked chicken, chorizo and a spicy apple slaw for lunch. There was some folks chanting "Ozzie Ozzie Ozzie" but I'm not into that. Teddy Bear lost to sweet little brown ferret called Molly who won the day, but he did make 6th. Nabbed some cherries from the Cherry Shed heading back to Devonport where we are staying until Sunday. Beach day today.

# ? Jan 26, 2017 21:37

thatfatkid: Feb 20, 2011; by Azathoth

quote:

"People say two things to me: what a good fellow Richard is and when is Lee going. NSW voters have often told me they won't vote Green until Lee goes. That's why Labor loves her," Mr Brown said.

...

And a membership survey conducted in November of last year suggests 85 per cent of Greens members want the party to be a party of government, rather than one of protest - a figure seen as a strong endorsement of Senator Di Natale's more mainstream approach.

Ugh Bob Brown is such a milquetoast liberal, i wish he'd just gently caress off. I look forward to The Greens further compromising their values and becoming yet another soulless husk of a political party with no other goals than get elected.

thatfatkid fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Jan 26, 2017

# ? Jan 26, 2017 21:49

Kafka Syrup: Apr 29, 2009

thatfatkid posted:

Ugh Bob Brown is such a milquetoast liberal, i wish he'd just gently caress off. I look forward to The Greens further compromising their values and becoming yet another soulless husk of a political party with no other goals than get elected.

In my experience, hardcore Labor voters like Lee because she's a committed Parliamentary Socialist who doesn't compromise her political values.

# ? Jan 26, 2017 22:20

starkebn: May 18, 2004; "Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

thatfatkid posted:

Ugh Bob Brown is such a milquetoast liberal, i wish he'd just gently caress off. I look forward to The Greens further compromising their values and becoming yet another soulless husk of a political party with no other goals than get elected.

Source?

# ? Jan 26, 2017 22:26

Aesculus: Mar 22, 2013

I, too, believe that the lesson to be learned after a 2016 in which Donald Trump was elected President off a radical anti-establishment message, defeating an establishment candidate, and after Brexit succeeded off Nigel Farage and the radical anti-establishment message that he pushed, and after Jeremy Corbyn, radical anti-establishment nobody was elected Labour Leader off a radical anti-establishment message and made Labour the largest party in Europe in terms of membership, and after radical anti-establishment socialist nobody Bernie Sanders almost won the Democratic Party nomination for president off a radical, anti-establishment message, that the lesson to be learned is that moderate, inoffensive centrism is what wins elections.

starkebn posted:

Source?

Free education "no longer being a priority' according to RDN and not even mentioned in our latest campaigns (betting pool on when it no longer becomes Greens policy at all?), for one.

# ? Jan 26, 2017 22:33

starkebn: May 18, 2004; "Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"

Free education was only not a priority as a point to fight over for the last election if I remember right, not something that's dropping off the Greens policy agenda. You can only talk about / fight for x amount of things and stay coherant right?

Understandably upsetting if it's an issue close to your heart, I just think it's hyperbole to jump to "RDN doesn't care about Greens issues"

# ? Jan 26, 2017 22:48

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

This is glorious.

# ? Jan 26, 2017 23:17

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

Did someone hack their account or something

# ? Jan 26, 2017 23:45

norp: Jan 20, 2004; TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

let's invade New Zealand, they have oil

Hack their account to edit out the offensive post?

# ? Jan 26, 2017 23:49

Aesculus: Mar 22, 2013

Zenithe posted:

This is glorious.

I'm the intelligible screeching.

# ? Jan 26, 2017 23:56

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

yeah I am confused about the "RDN doesn't support free education" when they said they do but it wasn't being pushed in the last election because they had to be realistic.

Like I don't really like compromising on my values here but I at least know what was actually said.

# ? Jan 27, 2017 00:08

BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

it's cool that the greens are being chastised for not following bernie sanders's path when their policy platforms are literally identical

# ? Jan 27, 2017 00:32

Sparticle: Oct 7, 2012

quote:

The Greens are at a crossroads, with Labor appearing to move left on some issues and minor parties also pulling our votes away," Senator Rhiannon told Fairfax Media

lol I want to live in this alternate reality.

# ? Jan 27, 2017 00:37

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

It's almost as if for any given political party you can guarantee that the NSW branch will be the most self-important student politics bullshit branch in the country.

# ? Jan 27, 2017 01:09

thatfatkid: Feb 20, 2011; by Azathoth

Sticking to one's principles and not compromising on your values in order to attract voters that won't vote for you anyway is a bad thing now?

# ? Jan 27, 2017 01:19

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

thatfatkid posted:

Sticking to one's principles and not compromising on your values in order to attract voters that won't vote for you anyway is a bad thing now?

That is a good thing.

What NSW is accusing the Greens under Di Natale of is running to the centre (and being outflanked on the left by Labor :laffo:

) based on them not adopting an election platform of full communism now

# ? Jan 27, 2017 01:32

Seemlar: Jun 18, 2002

Lee Rhiannon is a disruptive element like Tony Abbott says former leader who pokes his head out every six months to say an elected Greens senator he doesn't like should gently caress off

# ? Jan 27, 2017 01:47

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Zenithe posted:

This is glorious.

Lion helms too cowardly to use his personal account to post his hot takes now lmao

# ? Jan 27, 2017 01:58

Fanatic: Mar 9, 2006

Laserface posted:

Regardless of how anyone feels about Australia Day they should make all public holidays a floating date like good Friday, so that it always results in a three day weekend.

A single day off doesn't really help anyone and it's basically now a 4 day weekend since most true revellers will be too hosed up tomorrow to go to work.

While we're at it NSW could use one later in the year so move it to august or something.

I wonder how many work hours have been lost from people pulling sickies today

# ? Jan 27, 2017 02:01

aejix: Sep 18, 2007; It's about finding that next group of core players we can win with in the next 6, 8, 10 years. Let's face it, it's hard for 20-, 21-, 22-year-olds to lead an NHL team. Look at the playoffs.

That quote is from fucking 2018. Fuck you Jim; Pillbug

Not that anyone was either searching for or in need of further evidence that Malcolm Roberts is a complete loving idiot, here he is thinking that Labour day is all about the Labor Party: https://pedestrian.tv/news/arts-and-culture/one-nation-senator-deletes-fb-post-after-confusing/69012d54-8fec-482e-a139-edaa53317b3a.htm

# ? Jan 27, 2017 02:02

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Labour day = labor party
Australia day = one nation party?

# ? Jan 27, 2017 02:06

Comstar: Apr 20, 2007; Are you happy now?

In further evidence that some corperations don't deseve your money - Pizza Hut Fair Work audit finds delivery drivers underpaid, franchisees breaching workplace laws.

Though at this point I'd like if someone had a list of food service companies that DON'T underpay their employees.

Also, Oracle help spend $240 million of money wasted in failed online portal, IBAC says.

quote:

A failed online project meant to connect students, teachers and parents at Victorian Government schools was corrupt, and cost the taxpayer between $127 and $240 million, the state's watchdog has found.

The Independent Broad-based Anti-corruption Commission (IBAC) said its investigation into the online portal Ultranet found senior education department staff were involved in corruption, mismanagement, improper spending and conflicts of interest.

The inquiry heard the project was a shambles, and after a cost blowout it was scrapped in 2013.

Though I guess that's not worth actually charging them for corruption, just the 3-4 guys in the Education department who took a few hundred thousand from it. Who could have predicted Oracle would steal a governments and tax payers money I ask you.

(That's the sort of thing the Greens should be on the radio complaining about. Labour and Liberal both hand a hand in it, they should be screaming about a waste of your money. $40 for each person in Victoria).

Finally, we should make May 4th the new National Holiday. There are probably more followers of that faith than some other national holidays we have.

# ? Jan 27, 2017 02:31

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

There was an ad for casual staff at a fast food restaurant here and one of the selling points was 'we pay penalty rates'. When following the law is your point of difference it's time for a crackdown.

# ? Jan 27, 2017 02:43

norp: Jan 20, 2004; TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

let's invade New Zealand, they have oil

Comstar posted:

In further evidence that some corperations don't deseve your money - Pizza Hut Fair Work audit finds delivery drivers underpaid, franchisees breaching workplace laws.

Not sure how that ends up happening, when I used to work at dominos many many moons ago I got like $18/hr (casual) plus car allowance (like $1.20 per delivery depending on suburb) plus tips. I guess nobody buys Pizza Hut pizzas so they can't afford drivers.
Then again there were a number of part/full time guys who regularly attended union meetings and kept pressure on the boss to pay us the correct award.

# ? Jan 27, 2017 03:24

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# ? May 24, 2024 16:35

ZombyDog: Jul 11, 2001; Ere to fix yer gubbinz

Fanatic posted:

I wonder how many work hours have been lost from people pulling sickies today

I am bourgeois scum because I got in early and used a day of annual leave for today so I could have a 4 day weekend.

# ? Jan 27, 2017 05:10

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