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"Implies" is a pretty strong word. "Suggests" might be better.
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I know it as "correlation is not causation". Which is a reminder that just finding correlation isn't the same as proving causation, but that's all.
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How do 500+ people a year die of being tangled in a bedsheet? Why is it increasing?
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Gorilla Salad posted:I was a member of the Australian Skeptics for nearly 20 years but things took a really unfun turn to the right and it stopped being a useful resource run by scientists, medical professionals and well educated, interesting lay people and turned into an echo chamber for horrible people who couldn't tell the difference between a convincing argument based on evidence and being an arrogant piece of poo poo with their head up their arse. skeptic's groups reminds me of mensa, if you have to join a group of fellows in order to prove your status then maybe, uh, you dont have as much status as you thought
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MasterSlowPoke posted:How do 500+ people a year die of being tangled in a bedsheet? Why is it increasing? The total number of people with bedsheets is increasing, I assume.
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There was an atheist/agnostic/skeptic group at my friend's university. It got taken over by MRA's and scientific racists and dawkins/hitchens sorts that just wanted to sit around talking about how horrible muslims are for treating women poorly then in the next breath talking about why their group is 90% male because women just don't have logical brains and that's an evo-psych fact, science doesn't care about your feelings fe-males and sjw's!! So a group of them split off and formed a "Humanist" group but that got taken over by the worst sort of "SJW" caricatures and while much better than the previous group made things annoying. The two groups decided they were essentially at war with each other and every meeting was just them talking about how horrible the other group was. The least bad people from both groups ended up just not going anymore and formed an unofficial 3rd group that would just hang out at the pub and actually talk about interesting things while not being jerks.
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MasterSlowPoke posted:How do 500+ people a year die of being tangled in a bedsheet? Why is it increasing? A total guess but I'd imagine that most of the people who die that way are weak, frail, and in poor health anyway so there's probably something having to do with people living longer and having more old people who die in their beds. Or there's a rise in erotic asphyxiation ever since that drat Fifty Shades book and movie!
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Raxivace posted:I've always felt this is one of those sayings that should be changed slightly, perhaps to something more like "correlation does not always imply causation". Imply has two different meanings. In logic imply means that something necessarily follows from something else. E.g. All men are mortal and Socrates was a man implies that Socrates was a mortal. In more common speech imply means something like suggestive. Correlation might be suggestive of causation but it is hardly strong evidence for it. At best it is a reason to research something further, but could also be noise of no value.
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Begemot posted:I know it as "correlation is not causation". Which is a reminder that just finding correlation isn't the same as proving causation, but that's all. I think the "correlation does not imply causation" variant came around from people who misremembered that, yeah.
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pop fly to McGillicutty posted:So I just got a spam email at work from "conspiracy gate" about Ft Lauderdale police, anonymous, the FBI,etc. (I work for a government agency so that's sort of common) Seems like a guy who needs psychiatric help. The writing seems broken, but the video speech is much less crazy, maybe written by someone else, or him in a more lucid state. The subject matter is boring as hell though and I don't really know what his complaint is other than losing a lot in a divorce, apparently. Untreated schizophrenia seems likely to get you some face time with police eventually.
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boner confessor posted:skeptic's groups reminds me of mensa, if you have to join a group of fellows in order to prove your status then maybe, uh, you dont have as much status as you thought Pseudoscience pushers are organized. There's nothing wrong with opposition to pseudoscience becoming organized, too. e: I don't agree with the mensa comparison at all, except in cases where these groups are just convening to celebrate how skeptical they are. But there are real institutions, that I would say fall into the same bucket as "skeptic's groups", made of real professionals that are trying to push back against the rising tide of pseudoscientific bullshit QuarkJets fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Jan 19, 2017 |
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Correlation waggles its eyebrows suggestively, gives you a cheeky grin, and elbows you while jerking its head in the direction of causation.
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Moose-Alini posted:Seems like a guy who needs psychiatric help. The writing seems broken, but the video speech is much less crazy, maybe written by someone else, or him in a more lucid state. The subject matter is boring as hell though and I don't really know what his complaint is other than losing a lot in a divorce, apparently. You're right. He sent me another video about how shark tank stole an idea( never specified what it was) and then sent an email about the feds coming for him. His email address was his full name so I googled that plus his city and guess what? Arrested last year for threatening to kidnap a judge. I've since asked him to leave me alone.
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pop fly to McGillicutty posted:He's still emailing me. Seems like you caught the rare noid-legged schizo!
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drat, I missed the 9/11 discussion a few pages ago. Isn't it incredible that they found one of the 9/11 hijackers passports blocks away from the site? Did you guys hear about that? I suppose if a woman can fall from a plane 33 thousand feet in the sky and survive, stranger things can happen, but still, it sounds pretty unlikely to me.
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Deep Thought posted:drat, I missed the 9/11 discussion a few pages ago. Isn't it incredible that they found one of the 9/11 hijackers passports blocks away from the site? Did you guys hear about that? I suppose if a woman can fall from a plane 33 thousand feet in the sky and survive, stranger things can happen, but still, it sounds pretty unlikely to me. this is because you are crazy fyi also what benefit does the conspiracy get by lying about / planting the passport when they have plenty of other things proving the hijackers identity such as security cam footage
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Or the fact they knew it was a suicide mission and they didn't bother covering their tracks at all.
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Or a lot of random debris from the planes and towers ended up scattered around Manhattan, but you don't hear in the news about Joe Shmoe's charred boarding pass or the styrofoam cofee cup and peanut package from seat 34C
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Conspiracy theory of the day: Things like the feud with Dippin' Dots are a cutsy cover to distract people from more meaningful news stories.
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Shbobdb posted:Conspiracy theory of the day: Things like the feud with Dippin' Dots are a cutsy cover to distract people from more meaningful news stories. Pretty impressive since he has dumb tweets about Dippin' Dots that are several years old. Though it's a given that they're going to do dumb poo poo to distract from the actual awful things they're planning since they did the same thing during the primaries and general.
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Like most things, you base it off of truth. The feud is real but it isn't meaningful. News that is "real" covers it because those news organizations likewise are "real" but not "meaningful".
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Shbobdb posted:Conspiracy theory of the day: Things like the feud with Dippin' Dots are a cutsy cover to distract people from more meaningful news stories. And there's two parts to my own response... (1) Yes, public figures - Donald Trump is an expert here - can indeed do a "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" distraction ploy. It can work, too - again, see Trump. (2) No the media is not creating or driving it in order to hide the important facts. That would require incredible amounts of collusion between separate organizations. And when it comes down to it, a distraction is only distracting if it's attention-grabbing, and news organizations love anything that get them more eyeballs.
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Yeah, the media are covering this because it will attract a lot of eyes by sheer weight of how farcical the whole thing is. Also I think because it's a relatively "safe" story to cover, something that they hope will not piss off Trump so much that the media suffer consequences over it. I would bet that there is a lot of walking on eggshells when it comes to covering the Trump administration out of fear of losing access, hell with Trump one has to worry about more extreme measures because, well, it's Trump, who knows what he will try to do and whether or not he will succeed at it?
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I mean, really, ask yourself this - "What if every news organization really wants your eyeballs and/or ears tuned to it? What kinds of news do you expect they would cover - complicated, in-depth things like the nuances of the TPP, or dumb stuff like Trump arguing about crowd sizes? What would the news look like?" And the answer, near as I can see is, "Basically exactly what it looks like." No secret society of Illuminati and Bilderbergs required, just independent organizations flocking to whatever can help keep them afloat.
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It always astounds me that people want to dig into these 15-layers-deep conspiracy theories about Rothschild Banks or Illuminati or whatever when the answer is much more simple. Yes, there is a group of extremely powerful people who want to shift things in their favor. They're called billionaires. They're not exactly shadowy or hidden.
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Yorkshire Pudding posted:It always astounds me that people want to dig into these 15-layers-deep conspiracy theories about Rothschild Banks or Illuminati or whatever when the answer is much more simple. Yes, there is a group of extremely powerful people who want to shift things in their favor. They're called billionaires. They're not exactly shadowy or hidden. Part of this is human nature. Once people figure out that "respectable figures" are lying to them they start looking to create new "respectable figures" or reject the notion of "respectable figures" entirely. The former just gets co-opted by some counter-cultural fad. The latter goes for a sort of hardcore nihilism where "only they know the truth". Alex Jones and some other big time CTers have found a way to exploit the latter's skepticism to create a population ready to be monitized. Rush Limbaugh and others did the same with suburban "independent thinkers". This makes sense because both are going after the same population: white suburbanites. White suburban boomers experienced a period of unprecedented growth so the narrative of, "I had it rough growing up but I managed to succeed. Why can't others? My family immigrated but we did it right. Why can't others?" The same conclusions are regiggered with different questions for a new generation. "I did everything right, why aren't I more successful? Other people seem to be advancing, why aren't I?"
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What is nanothermite and videos of explosions several floors from the fallcrush part and cia agent woman and insurance have to do with bush did 9/11? I have problem convincing youtube watching friend. i also lose abiliti to write.
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He is also concerned with the nefarious threat the common muslim is. Because they can all be turned against us if the religious leaders say so. kill kill murder rape. edit: he smoked a lot of marijuhana before so idk what is ignorance or brain damage.
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Michael Jackson posted:edit: he smoked a lot of marijuhana before so idk what is ignorance or brain damage. It's his mind being awoken, friend.
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My friend was at a big dinner of what he presumed were like-minded progressive folk. One guy though brought up that the holocaust pretty much didn't happen and the whole thing is a lie in order to generate support for zionism. My friend handled things as politely as possible while also calling bullshit and telling him that's both a crazy and extremely offensive thing to say. It ended up with the guy yelling about jews this and jews that and storming out of the restaurant. My friend made a facebook post about the incident, both saying how shocked he was to encounter straight up holocaust denial and rabid anti semitism in their group, and also apologizing for any awkwardness he caused by actually calling the guy out. He of course had a bunch of replies about how he did the right thing and and racism should be challenge and so on, but he also got a bunch of people from his group saying poo poo like "I think you are all being close minded and judgemental, the history we are taught by the government is often full of lies, it's very ignorant to discount his ideas" or "This was a human being simply sharing his own personal wisdom and experience and it's so cruel that he was shut down and made to feel unwelcome, all our wisdom is equal, no one can say what is personally true or not!" and others saying that although holocaust denial is maybe bad it's still just like someone's opinion and you should respect that and not make people feel bad. Clearly, we need safe spaces for nazis
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Yorkshire Pudding posted:It always astounds me that people want to dig into these 15-layers-deep conspiracy theories about Rothschild Banks or Illuminati or whatever when the answer is much more simple. Yes, there is a group of extremely powerful people who want to shift things in their favor. They're called billionaires. They're not exactly shadowy or hidden. If you bring this up to one of these  people, they dismiss it and claim that no it isn't just rich people wanting to gently caress everyone else over to make a buck, but some dasterdily plot by (((Bankers))) to control everything. The billionaires are actually on our side because the (((media))) makes them out to be bad guys.
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dwarf74 posted:I mean, really, ask yourself this - "What if every news organization really wants your eyeballs and/or ears tuned to it? What kinds of news do you expect they would cover - complicated, in-depth things like the nuances of the TPP, or dumb stuff like Trump arguing about crowd sizes? What would the news look like?" There really are only 6 companies that own every television news channel though and one company owns 80% of radio. You don't need too much spooky backdeal stuff to see collaboration.
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There really are chemicals in the juiceboxes that have been found to make frogs participate in giant gay orgies. Its like an indisputable fact, i dont understand why alex jones detractors keep bringing this up like its supposed diss him in any way, maybe because it sounds absurd at a glance. Same thing with the fetus flavorings in pepsi, I didnt believe it at first but it turned out to be true.
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So a guy who I have to spend time with, and actually enjoy otherwise, is a truther. He earned a major in physics a long time ago, and seems completely hooked on the ITS FREE FALL YOU GUYS angle, also says Pentagon was probably hit by a missile since there was no motor or black box recovered 
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:There really are only 6 companies that own every television news channel though Nope. There's way more news channels than you're thinking of. The like 4 that you can actually get nationwide are owned by 3 companies, but there's tons of others. Owlofcreamcheese posted:one company owns 80% of radio. Not in America, at least not since the 1930s. ClearChannel/iHeartMedia owns or controls the majority of programming on about 1500 stations out of the 15000 radio stations in the country. Cumulus Media Networks owns or controls the majority of programming on about 1500 stations as well. Townsquare/Regent owns/controls the majority of programming on about 800. Everyone else is smaller than these
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