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MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

ZombyDog posted:

I am bourgeois scum because I got in early and used a day of annual leave for today so I could have a 4 day weekend.

:hfive:

Same here.

Actually that raises a question I have. Around Christmas or Australia Day the manager will say no more leave due to a fair few team members putting in for leave. Is that reasonable on a non-customer facing job?

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iajanus
Aug 17, 2004

NUMBER 1 QUEENSLAND SUPPORTER
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ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Good writer did a roundup of how to read media tactically during #trumpistan: https://independentaustralia.net/business/business-display/media-sauce-trumpistan--news-from-nowhere,9943

TL;DR avoid Murdoch, distrust "neutral" MSM, and he's given a heap of links to throw into an aggregator to keep up with.

G-Spot Run
Jun 28, 2005

MysticalMachineGun posted:

:hfive:

Same here.

Actually that raises a question I have. Around Christmas or Australia Day the manager will say no more leave due to a fair few team members putting in for leave. Is that reasonable on a non-customer facing job?

Depends. Fairwork basically says they should grant leave requests unless doing so would prevent/impact them doing business effectively.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again

Human Services Minister Alan Tudge has defended the government’s automated debt recovery system after checks showed that two thirds of welfare recipients claiming to be unjustly targeted had received overpayments courtesy of the taxpayer.

Mr Tudge told 2GB radio the results of the assessments carried out by the Department of Human Services exposed Labor claims the new system was unfairly targeting people and leaving behind a trail of “victims”.

The government has faced a backlash over its handling of a new automated system which seeks to claw back more than $4bn in misdirected payments with people now claiming they are facing the prospect of paying back money that they had received legitimately.

“Labor has been deliberately putting up cases to the media alleging that people have been so-called victims of the online compliance system, when in many cases, in fact, they do owe significant amounts of money,” Mr Tudge said today.

“The automated system is here to stay, and what that essentially does is that it checks the self-reported income supplied to Centrelink with the income details which the Australian Taxation Office has on you.”

Mr Tudge explained that, if a discrepancy was found, then the individual was first asked to explain it in a letter. If they could not provide an adequate justification they were then issued with a debt notice.

“It is always tough … getting a debt notice for anything, but in these cases if you were overpaid you do have to pay it back to the taxpayer because the taxpayers are working very hard these days, and a large proportion of their taxes is going to the welfare system.”

As revealed in The Australian, an assessment of 52 cases of people publicly claiming they were being harassed by Centrelink with automated debt notices found that 18 people had in fact been identified under a manual system established by the former Labor government.

Of the remaining 34 cases subject to the new system, 60 per cent had been found to have been overpaid for failing to declare other sources of income.

A further 12 per cent who had been found to owe money had asked for a reassessment while the remaining number of aggrieved welfare recipients had not bothered to contact Centrelink.

Pressed on whether there were times when the new system made mistakes, Mr Tudge said that people should have taken action to provide an explanation. He said that, even if people didn’t receive a letter before being issued with a debt notice, there was always the option picking up the phone to Centrelink.

“I should admit that there has been a problem in the past where some people didn’t (get the letter) because their addresses were not up to date on the Centrelink system. So they may not have received that first letter,” Mr Tudge said. “We’ve fixed that.”

“Even if you didn’t get that letter and you received a debt notice, you can still call up Centrelink and explain that discrepancy, or go online and explain that discrepancy. Everybody has multiple chances to do that.”

Anidav fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Jan 27, 2017

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
My brother got hosed over on his holidays. Booked it in weeks in advance, but because they knew he'd be home, as it was his son's 3rd birthday yesterday. They pulled him in today because everyone else said they had gone on a trip. Fuckers.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Also is that 2/3 that have been found to be overpaid, 2/3 that have been sent the correct information regarding how much they were overpaid? And how is that error rate even determined when we've heard multiple times that Centrelink staff are told they can only fix information that the 'client' points out themselves?

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Boring nobody Vic State Liberal Leader Matthew Guy makes a statement saying that Melbourne could become the Johannesburg of the Pacific due to the issues with youth justice, pisses off South African leaders

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jan/27/victorian-opposition-leaders-comments-unfortunate-says-south-africas-anc

snoremac
Jul 27, 2012

I LOVE SEEING DEAD BABIES ON 𝕏, THE EVERYTHING APP. IT'S WORTH IT FOR THE FOLLOWING TAB.
I'm currently on Newstart and looking for work and my recruitment agency is suggesting I do a hospitality contract in the meantime for the sake of adding something new to my resume (for the record I want to do office or retail work). They suggested the same thing to the guy in line before me and the letter they gave me calls it "bulk recruitment". I don't know what it pays or how it'll effect my Newstart, and I'm scared that if I do it I might end up with Centrelink demanding debts I don't owe. I have a meeting with the agency next week to ask these things, but just looking for some insight beforehand.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

You Am I posted:

Boring nobody Vic State Liberal Leader Matthew Guy makes a statement saying that Melbourne could become the Johannesburg of the Pacific due to the issues with youth justice, pisses off South African leaders

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jan/27/victorian-opposition-leaders-comments-unfortunate-says-south-africas-anc

Isn't Capetown worse off for crime than Jo'Burg anyway?

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

snoremac posted:

I'm currently on Newstart and looking for work and my recruitment agency is suggesting I do a hospitality contract in the meantime for the sake of adding something new to my resume (for the record I want to do office or retail work). They suggested the same thing to the guy in line before me and the letter they gave me calls it "bulk recruitment". I don't know what it pays or how it'll effect my Newstart, and I'm scared that if I do it I might end up with Centrelink demanding debts I don't owe. I have a meeting with the agency next week to ask these things, but just looking for some insight beforehand.

By hospitality contract do you mean a short term job, or like a course on hospitality? If it's a job you might as well do it, the experience won't hurt and at least for a short time you'll be earning a lot more than you would on Newstart.

snoremac
Jul 27, 2012

I LOVE SEEING DEAD BABIES ON 𝕏, THE EVERYTHING APP. IT'S WORTH IT FOR THE FOLLOWING TAB.

open24hours posted:

By hospitality contract do you mean a short term job, or like a course on hospitality? If it's a job you might as well do it, the experience won't hurt and at least for a short time you'll be earning a lot more than you would on Newstart.

A part-time job, yeah. I'm perfectly up for it as long as I'm earning on top of Newstart and won't be hosed with by Centrelink.

snoremac fucked around with this message at 06:47 on Jan 27, 2017

Graic Gabtar
Dec 19, 2014

squat my posts

You Am I posted:

Boring nobody Vic State Liberal Leader Matthew Guy makes a statement saying that Melbourne could become the Johannesburg of the Pacific due to the issues with youth justice, pisses off South African leaders

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jan/27/victorian-opposition-leaders-comments-unfortunate-says-south-africas-anc
As they don't vote in Victorian elections I'd say he's okay with that.

do it on my face
Feb 6, 2005
°

snoremac posted:

A job, yeah. I'm perfectly up for it as long as I'm earning on top of Newstart and won't be hosed with by Centrelink.

You will need to report your earnings and it will affect your payments. Unless it's a cash job :ssh:

Periphery
Jul 27, 2003
...
Matthew Guy is a corrupt sack of poo poo.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Periphery posted:

Matthew Guy is a corrupt sack of poo poo.

Next years campaign is going to be fun if they don't replace him before then

snoremac
Jul 27, 2012

I LOVE SEEING DEAD BABIES ON 𝕏, THE EVERYTHING APP. IT'S WORTH IT FOR THE FOLLOWING TAB.

do it on my face posted:

You will need to report your earnings and it will affect your payments. Unless it's a cash job :ssh:

This is what I don't fully get. I assume I report my earnings and the earnings are taken from my working credit, but then once my working credit is used up do they start eating into my Newstart payment and I'm effectively working for nothing? That's not even factoring in a potential fake debt landing in my lap. You would think accepting some part-time work would be an easy decision.

Welsper
Jan 14, 2008

Lipstick Apathy

snoremac posted:

This is what I don't fully get. I assume I report my earnings and the earnings are taken from my working credit, but then once my working credit is used up do they start eating into my Newstart payment and I'm effectively working for nothing? That's not even factoring in a potential fake debt landing in my lap. You would think accepting some part-time work would be an easy decision.

On Austudy it deducts at 60c on the dollar past working credits + deduction free threshold. Assuming it's similar on Newstart it should always more money working but there's a diminishing return depending on what that extra work is preventing you from doing. For me rent assist part of my payment wasn't affected by any earnings either.

In short, do the hospitality contract unless it's going to cost you an opportunity at full-time/preferred work. Having enough money to go out occasionally / socialise /network is going to do your mental health a favour too.

Welsper fucked around with this message at 08:57 on Jan 27, 2017

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Oh I did not make the connection between Matthew Guy and Athol Guy until just now. Athol Guy was also a piece of poo poo, he used to live up the road from me.

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Periphery posted:

Matthew Guy is a corrupt sack of poo poo.

It's only his cheerleaders in the Herald Sun that try to make him look good that's kept him as leader. Otherwise Dandrews is the man, no matter how much Murdoch and the State and Federal Liberal Parties hate him.

Frogfingers
Oct 10, 2012
How bad do you have to be to gently caress up an authoritarian law and order reign-in-the-blacks speech? Murdoch press has been hand-holding the state libs through the manufactured youth justice saga from day one and he just falls to pieces. Even The Age supports state libs and they barely get any coverage.

Periphery
Jul 27, 2003
...

Solemn Sloth posted:

Next years campaign is going to be fun if they don't replace him before then

If Labor hasn't figured out how to paint his as incredibly incompetent or corrupt by the next election then Vic Labor is as stupid as The Greens Renewal. Between the Fishermans bend rezoning, Ventnor and whatever else he has in his closet it can't be that loving hard can it?

You Am I posted:

It's only his cheerleaders in the Herald Sun that try to make him look good that's kept him as leader. Otherwise Dandrews is the man, no matter how much Murdoch and the State and Federal Liberal Parties hate him.

Yeah, Andrews has far surpassed my expectations of a Labor run government. The only real slip up he's made is the whole CFA thing which was probably a lose/lose for him no matter what he did. (and the kids in adult jail thing but most idiots probably have no issue with that).

The LNP will almost certainly push a law and order 'tough on crime' campaign given the current crap show going on but it shouldn't be too hard for Andrews to do something similar while also having other things to work with. Unlike the Libs at least he can point to a bunch of stuff that he's done or is in the process of doing since he got in. A MCG/Richmond station development seems like an easy sell for the next election. More level crossing removals would probably work as well.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
CFA thing wasn't even a slip-up of policy, it was just fuckwits trying to drum up a non-existant issue. It even backfired on them. A whole bunch of the volunteers in the integrated stations changed over to the MFB.

Periphery
Jul 27, 2003
...

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

CFA thing wasn't even a slip-up of policy, it was just fuckwits trying to drum up a non-existant issue. It even backfired on them. A whole bunch of the volunteers in the integrated stations changed over to the MFB.

Yeah, fair enough. I was thinking more from a media/public perception point of view. It was probably never going to play out well no matter what he did. He's either going to be portrayed as screwing the MFB or the CFA. Wouldn't surprise me if they just decided to get it out of the way early enough that people will have forgotten about it by the next election.

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

I mean Matthew Guy is that desperate to attack the Andrews Government that he had a go at level crossing removal project.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

You Am I posted:

I mean Matthew Guy is that desperate to attack the Andrews Government that he had a go at level crossing removal project.

I'd be almost surprised if Labor doesn't get close to double digit swings in most of the seats that have already had LXR projects completed.

KennyTheFish
Jan 13, 2004

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

CFA thing wasn't even a slip-up of policy, it was just fuckwits trying to drum up a non-existant issue. It even backfired on them. A whole bunch of the volunteers in the integrated stations changed over to the MFB.

what was the whole CFA thing about? Information about the actual dispute was hard to find.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
UFU wanted to make sure that in integrated stations (ie. where there are both career and volunteer firies) that there would be new safety measures put in place. One of these measures included a provision for 7 career firefighters either on sight or dispatched and on their way to a fire before volunteers could fight it themselves.

Either someone grossly misunderstood it, or deliberately chose to understand it as applying to all stations. So you had people arguing that it would be completely impractical to have career firefighters travelling from metro areas into rural areas and that it would lead to deaths as volunteers fought against bureaucratic red tape. Something that was never going to be the case. Here's Michaelia Cash struggling to find where in the EBA the poo poo they were saying was going to happen, was written.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PvctU6aHU0

WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 10:37 on Jan 27, 2017

Periphery
Jul 27, 2003
...

Solemn Sloth posted:

I'd be almost surprised if Labor doesn't get close to double digit swings in most of the seats that have already had LXR projects completed.

What about potential fallout from -~*Skyrail*~- ?

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Periphery posted:

What about potential fallout from -~*Skyrail*~- ?

I'm sure you'll be shocked to hear that the level of opposition to Skyrail is actually a massive media beatup

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Solemn Sloth posted:

I'm sure you'll be shocked to hear that the level of opposition to Skyrail is actually a massive media beatup

:aaa:

I can't wait for the Clayton Road/Centre Road one to be done. It's going to change the Clayton shops forever

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

You Am I posted:

:aaa:

I can't wait for the Clayton Road/Centre Road one to be done. It's going to change the Clayton shops forever

Yeah back when I worked at the bottleo on centre road some people came from over the tracks and if they decided to drive they'd either be twenty minutes early or twenty minutes late depending on the crossing, it's loving ludicrous and buses are even worse going there

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Anidav posted:

Human Services Minister Alan Tudge has defended the government’s automated debt recovery system after checks showed that two thirds of welfare recipients claiming to be unjustly targeted had received overpayments courtesy of the taxpayer.

What a lazy bastard this Tudge is. Goes on 2GB every week assuming his bleatings will trickle-down and settles for fudging figures and blaming Labor, and as that's not working, let's throw in a cherry-picked Australian survey and blame the victims some more. Tudge thinks this is still the irritation stage of an issue where he can recite a few lines and that'll do. It's gone way beyond that.

1. I can't find those Australian assessments anywhere.
2. ALP hasn't even really started pushing the issue, it's been grassroots via social media.
3. Telling staff not to fix issues hardly helps the people you claim should be trying to raise them.
4. The system itself is in crisis and this is breaking it.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
@ewe2 and others

https://twitter.com/tomwestland/status/824842329173286913

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

quote:

It’s getting a bit tiring that globalists think that globalism is “…… economics 101…..” when in fact it is the new socialism under one glorious euphoric banner headed by rich communists and their divisive foundations.

:allears:

hiddenmovement
Sep 29, 2011

"Most mornings I'll apologise in advance to my wife."

Solemn Sloth posted:

I'm sure you'll be shocked to hear that the level of opposition to Skyrail is actually a massive media beatup

Can confirm, know a public liason guy working on the project very well, its no more than the standard nimby

Periphery
Jul 27, 2003
...

Solemn Sloth posted:

I'm sure you'll be shocked to hear that the level of opposition to Skyrail is actually a massive media beatup

WHAT!?

It would be nice if they did some high quality community consultation prior to making the decisions (the stuff I've read about the initial projects was that it was pretty much all for show). But even then there would probably still be a bunch of people kicking up a stink about it.

I'm very interested to see how well they utilize the spaces under the sections of elevated rail. If they can make some high quality public spaces with the community's needs taken into account it could be a big plus. It'd be a real shame if they didn't capitalise on the opportunity.

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Doctor Spaceman posted:

@ewe2 and others

What a wacky crew eh? Practically a free focus group of cognitive dissonance. Most of them are actually fine because Mexican "burrow fuckers" need to be punished and you just don't understand Trump economics.

For example:

quote:

Meh, there is no Trump tariff on imports from Mexico.
There is a Trump threat of putting in place a tariff on imports from Mexico in an ongoing, very public, negotiation. But at present there is no tariff.

But of course there are those who immediately want to restrict the available arsenal of penalties that may be used here – taking tariffs off the table. It is like unilaterally disarming. I guess you have to be an egghead to think that signalling unwillingness to act harshly is a good idea in a negotiation.

So there are no tariffs at present and we are talking purely hypothetical here, but if if if if those tariffs were to come into effect:
To state that “Americans will pay for that tariff” is of course a silly simplification. Who pays for what of course depends on the alternatives available. If there is a locally manifactured substitute for the Mexican import, the product itself is perhaps more expensive but it would get people off the unemployment rolls in the US to manufacture it.

The two scenarios to compare:
1. Cheaper import from Mexico while paying for unemployment benefits for those out of that job in US
2. Tariff on import, substitution by locally manufactured product, no unemployment benefits need be paid because those guys got jobs now.

If at the same time Turmp is working, as he has repeatedly stated, to cut regs and taxes so local manufacturing is becoming more competitive, this strategy may very well work if cleverly desgined – which no doubt they will.

And in 4 year people may wake up thanking Trump for higher wages in real terms and re-electing him with a slamming majority.

Let's see how that works out, hey.

ewe2 fucked around with this message at 13:16 on Jan 27, 2017

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

if everything goes according to my imagination then it'll be great

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Futuresight
Oct 11, 2012

IT'S ALL TURNED TO SHIT!
Michaelia Cash's voice and mannerisms make her seem like a character she'd pull out whenever she's playing a useless administrator on a sketch show.

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