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Perez is a good guy who struck blow after blow for labor, so definitely give him a chance. If the choice is between him and Ellison it's pretty much a win win for the left. But do ask the question above because tbh I don't know how most figures stand on it. If I had to make a guess it's somewhere around "Israel should stop with all the human rights abusing" given that was the position of the White House he served in.
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The problem with Perez isn't really Perez himself, it's the message it would send to the people trying to reform the party if he gets elected. He still wants to court big corporate donors which is something the party needs to cut out if they don't want to continue alienating a huge chunk of the voters, we need to be focusing on grassroots support and not enabling all the dumb poo poo that's caused Dems to reach this point.
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Sorry if this has been covered elsewhere - looked around and didn't find anything. I was specifically looking for some reading recommendations in the "Study the history of resistance to fascism and authoritarian regimes" category and haven't seen anything. Is there a recommended reading list somewhere? Anyone have any suggestions?
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you might also want to explore whether the effective mass movements and/or revolutionary efforts of the 20th century had any common elements that would be useful in forming or sustaining a similar effort today
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E-Money posted:Sorry if this has been covered elsewhere - looked around and didn't find anything. I was specifically looking for some reading recommendations in the "Study the history of resistance to fascism and authoritarian regimes" category and haven't seen anything. Is there a recommended reading list somewhere? Anyone have any suggestions? I've seen a few but I never wrote down the titles, if I can find them again I'll post them here. For now, support Antifa whenever you can, they are doing the real legwork many people are too scared to do. History has shown us that soft liberals trying to fight back with words and reason were completely ineffectual, so don't rely on that. Perusing the anti-fascism page on wikipedia (low-effort, I know) suggests these for further reading: -Birchall, Sean (ed.). Beating The Fascists: The Untold Story of ANTI-FASCIST ACTION. ISBN 978-1-904491-12-5. -The Black Bloc Papers: An Anthology of Primary Texts From The North American Anarchist Black Bloc 1988–2005, by Xavier Massot & David Van Deusen of the Green Mountain Anarchist Collective (NEFAC-VT), Breaking Glass Press, 2010. -Bullstreet, K. Bash the Fash: Anti-Fascist Recollections 1984–1993. ISBN 1-873605-87-0. -Nigel Copsey Anti-Fascism in Britain; Palgrave Macmillan, January 2000 ISBN 978-0-312-22765-4 -Copsey, N. (2011) 'From direct action to community action: The changing dynamics of anti-fascist opposition', in Copsey, N. and Macklin, G. D. (eds) British National Party: Contemporary perspectives. Routledge -Nigel Copsey & Andrzej Olechnowicz (eds.), Varieties of Anti-fascism. Britain in the Inter-war Period, Palgrave Macmillan -Key, Anna (ed.). Beating Fascism: Anarchist anti-fascism in theory and practice. ISBN 1-873605-88-9. -The Rise and Fall of The Green Mountain Anarchist Collective, 2015. e: Also their external links, for more immediate reading. ‘Fascism or Revolution !’ Anarchism and Antifascism in France, 1933–39 "Anti-Fascist Action 1985–2001" Gilles Dauve/Jean Barrot on liberal anti-fascism "Bash the Fash: Anti-Fascist Recollections 1984–1993" Interview from Beating Fascism: Anarchist Anti-Fascism in Theory and Practice "Intellectuals and Anti-Fascism: For a Critical Historization" Liberal anti-fascism page at Red Action Remembering the Anarchist Resistance to fascism yellowyams fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Jan 27, 2017 |
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Some others: Confronting Fascism: Discussion Documents for a Militant Movement From AK Press, free download until the end of January. Militant Anti-Fascism: A Hundred Years of Resistance No Retreat: The Secret War Between Britain's Anti-Fascists and the Far Right
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E-Money posted:Sorry if this has been covered elsewhere - looked around and didn't find anything. I was specifically looking for some reading recommendations in the "Study the history of resistance to fascism and authoritarian regimes" category and haven't seen anything. Is there a recommended reading list somewhere? Anyone have any suggestions? No, but this is good timing for you: https://twitter.com/buzzwhistle/status/825046011110240256
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It's probably also worth looking into the recent incident in Whitefish where they managed to get neo-nazis planning a march to back down. Look at successes and study what they did to fine tune your strategy.
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Thanks! Have been looking for something to read during my commute. Have been struggling with a lot of despair lately - virtually everything feels so hopeless so I'm looking to get some proof that things can actually change for the better. My time is extremely limited (newborn twins) as is my money (did i mention newborn twins) so I'm hoping to get inspired and motivated and pull myself out of this loving hole, find something (however small) that I can do to help, and do it.
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yellowyams posted:The problem with Perez isn't really Perez himself, it's the message it would send to the people trying to reform the party if he gets elected. He still wants to court big corporate donors which is something the party needs to cut out if they don't want to continue alienating a huge chunk of the voters, we need to be focusing on grassroots support and not enabling all the dumb poo poo that's caused Dems to reach this point. I think it's important not to discount the entire idea of corporate donors, though. The party needs wealth to accomplish anything, and that wealth does not reside in the hands of the population right now. I think the point to make is that the platform has to come from the needs and ideals of the populace. Then, the sales pitch to corporations should be "support this party because by doing so you will appeal to the massive customer base we represent." Right now, the sales pitch from both parties is "support this party and we'll literally write whatever legislation you want, even if it fucks our constituents." The Democrats still have the big tent and the majority enrollment. They're just capitalizing it wrong, and literally devaluing themselves with every large donation. disclaimer: I understand this is still a capitalist argument. While I support FULL SOCIALISM NOW, I'm looking for the quickest reasonable path, and the first steps will involve capital no matter what. Maybe now that horselord is banned I don't have to say this, but that's where I'm coming from.
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Yeah, a number of people who were at the UW event got doxxed and harrassed. And, as mentioned in that tweet thread, a comrade got shot during the protest of Milo Y (I wrote an account of the events as I observed them here), and now the College Republicans on campus are loving rubbing salt in the wounds by holding a "Wall Building Celebration" this coming Monday. The terrible thing is that everyone on the RESIST coalition (the coalition of student groups that planned the J20 actions earlier in the day on campus, including the occupation of Odegaard Library) is pretty much on the defensive at this point, but I'm in contact with SeaSol (a local solidarity organization that does a lot of good labor activism) and some other anarchist and socialist groups to try to coordinate something. We are thinking something more subdued in response is probably a good idea, although the fact that it will be in broad daylight and the heat they will almost certainly be drawing from the recent gun violence will probably make the chances of such severe outcomes as during the J20 events much less likely. Incidentally, the "College Republicans" are basically alt-right neonazi types. They don't bear much pretense of respectibility, if you check out their facebook page.
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E-Money posted:Thanks! Have been looking for something to read during my commute. Have been struggling with a lot of despair lately - virtually everything feels so hopeless so I'm looking to get some proof that things can actually change for the better. My time is extremely limited (newborn twins) as is my money (did i mention newborn twins) so I'm hoping to get inspired and motivated and pull myself out of this loving hole, find something (however small) that I can do to help, and do it. You're not alone, many people are fighting with you, it's important to take care of yourself and your family. If you're a registered voter you can look into a group that organizes phone calls to congress and their local senators over specific issues as a way of pressuring them on their policies, that's one effective way of fighting that doesn't require much of your time and effort but can have a big impact. And you can still support Antifa without actually doing it yourself. Dr. Fishopolis posted:I think it's important not to discount the entire idea of corporate donors, though. The party needs wealth to accomplish anything, and that wealth does not reside in the hands of the population right now. I think the point to make is that the platform has to come from the needs and ideals of the populace. Then, the sales pitch to corporations should be "support this party because by doing so you will appeal to the massive customer base we represent." I'm not going to dismiss the value of funding either but it's worth noting that Hillary's campaign spent exponentially more than Trump's and they still lost. Wealth doesn't win campaigns, you need passionate volunteers who believe in their work and to gain the support of voters, and the best way to do that is to run an honest candidate with good policies who is beholden to the people they will be representing because that's who is campaigning for them and supporting them, something that big corporate donations directly undercut. Dems are already really bad about betraying their base, you have to be strict with this stuff or it will retake the party. Perez just isn't worth the slap in the face he would be to everyone working hard at bringing grassroots organization back. If we do wind up relying on corporate donations still then I would rather it be done by someone who I trust more to recognize the risks involved and know how to handle it without falling back into self-destructive habits.
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:No, but this is good timing for you: Bought it in paperback. I'll literally take the bus around town for no reason reading it.
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:remember if you don't have a trade-specific union open to you and you don't have the resources to organize one, you can join the iww I legit did not know this and was stewing over tech nerds' collective inability to think about anyone other than themselves or organize like, at all, thanks! Stinky_Pete posted:Oh I'm sure people were saying similar things during the Gilded Age I'm not saying all jobs will evaporate but we're much closer to the point where we can automate basically all low-skilled labor than we were in the Gilded Age. Or maybe we've been living in a post-scarcity world since the 1920's and the rich are just hiding it from us 
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TwoQuestions posted:Any way out-of-staters can help? One, you could donate to the comrade's medical funds. Two, you could email UW President Cauce and tell her that her inaction and silence on these matters reflects poorly on her management of the institution. Three, you can make sure to support your local Antifascist actions, as they arise.
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It's very late here in Norway but I thought I would share with you two good songs by Pete Seeger on the topic of unions https://youtu.be/pCnEAH5wCzo https://youtu.be/C13JFv4JfH8 While they may be a little dated everything he sings still rings true with the struggle of the working class in USA and the world. Music is a powerful way to make a statement.
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Guess it's time to organize the football team again.Mr. Lobe posted:One, you could donate to the comrade's medical funds. Or does UW not have any black people?
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the black husserl posted:Seriously, has anyone talked to the black student athletes? They probably hold a significant amount of power. That's how we won Missouri. I realize you're being blithe here but it is true the black student population at UW is pretty small. 2.7% or something like that. I don't know anything about no sports teams though, being someone who doesn't follow sports at all (imagine, a goon nerd with no sports interest) and it's not like student athletes were a contingent of the RESIST coalition. While a major portion of it was student minority interest groups (including representatives of the undocumented students union, who were in particular vulnerable targets to the reactionary's doxxing efforts), even within this coalition black students were not largely represented. It may be worth trying to push the coalition to try to reach out more to the sports teams, though. I'll bring it up at the next meeting.
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BlueBlazer posted:
You know what? This is actually great messaging: Simple, concise, aggressive, provocative. Not to mention empowering: it's a call to action. More is needed: rallies and meetings, a broader vision, a fuller message, a standard bearer with charisma. But in the meantime it would be great to see this printed on red paper and pinned on every bulletin board and telephone pole, on billboards, in magazines, and (to an even greater degree than currently) on banners at protests.
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https://twitter.com/SchneidRemarks/status/825051429299748866 https://twitter.com/SchneidRemarks/status/825134245417013253 So who's down to gonna recruit some juggalos?
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Ruzihm posted:https://twitter.com/SchneidRemarks/status/825051429299748866 Years of dead memes aside? Yeah, I'd be down with the clown.
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The DSA is planning to table at the Juggalo March. I confess I kind of want to go.
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RiotGearEpsilon posted:The DSA is planning to table at the Juggalo March. I confess I kind of want to go. oh hell yea, I'll go to that. "Everyone knows if they saw a juggalo on the exxon board of executives, they'd never do this. What they see is working people cooperating as one family and it makes them sweat. Let me tell you about the IWW" Edit: Apparently there's a hashtag for this... #faygocialism 
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RiotGearEpsilon posted:The DSA is planning to table at the Juggalo March. I confess I kind of want to go. One never knows where where centers of resistance will rise. I never would have imagined that Teen Vogue would lead the charge against Trump either.
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here's a link to one of the pages on the national popular vote compact site: http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/written-explanation (Eta: wiki page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact) thought id link it, because (while this particular initiative probably won't succeed) it highlights interstate compacts (this one includes California and New York) as one of the avenues for preserving islands of sane policy in participating blue states during a period in which the federal government will be undermining it at the national level. there are constitutional limitations on this type of coordinated action, including commerce clause (depending on subject matter) and compacts clause limitations, but they are subject to exceptions, and the conservatives that trump is going to appoint may well broaden the exceptions. Red Dad Redemption fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Jan 28, 2017 |
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yellowyams posted:I'm not going to dismiss the value of funding either but it's worth noting that Hillary's campaign spent exponentially more than Trump's and they still lost. Wealth doesn't win campaigns, you need passionate volunteers who believe in their work and to gain the support of voters, and the best way to do that is to run an honest candidate with good policies who is beholden to the people they will be representing because that's who is campaigning for them and supporting them, something that big corporate donations directly undercut. Dems are already really bad about betraying their base, you have to be strict with this stuff or it will retake the party. Perez just isn't worth the slap in the face he would be to everyone working hard at bringing grassroots organization back. If we do wind up relying on corporate donations still then I would rather it be done by someone who I trust more to recognize the risks involved and know how to handle it without falling back into self-destructive habits. Totally fair point, but we should focus on local and state politics right now, not presidential. Money goes a LOT further in smaller races. Our job right now is to defend the House at all costs. If the republicans gain a supermajority in 2018, they'll be able to do far more permanent damage. Not only that, but the money the DNC spends to run bright young candidates right now pays off later when we have a solid progressive bench. We need hundreds more Joe Salazars and Carol Ammons and Terry Alexanders. Anyway, I support Ellison over Perez for a ton of reasons but the ability to raise money is not one of them. We need money, right now. Shitloads of it. The grassroots don''t have shitloads of it to spend on house races. To get back to the spirit of the thread, the obviously unconstitutional muslim ban is already being enforced, and lives are being destroyed right now. Donate to CAIR Donate to ACLU Boston: March from Chinatown to the State house starts in 30 minutes. Go! NYC: WWP meeting at 2PM to organize and debrief from J20: Solidarity Center, 147 W. 24 St., 2nd Floor, Manhattan Post your best events itt, let's do things this weekend.
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Also, this is a good website: https://5calls.org/ Do this every day. Make it as obvious and necessary as brushing your teeth.
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Anyone know where I can find information on upcoming demonstrations/protests against the Muslim ban?
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:Also, this is a good website: I just tried to do it, but none of my senators or rep would answer the phone. "This voicemail is full"
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StrixNebulosa posted:I just tried to do it, but none of my senators or rep would answer the phone. "This voicemail is full" It's Saturday! Call again on Monday. Then every other working day, forever.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:It's Saturday! Call again on Monday. Then every other working day, forever. Will do! Here are some twitter resources: https://twitter.com/EmilyDWarfield/status/825450849891663872 https://twitter.com/Eskiworks/status/825430335039094784
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DaveWoo posted:Anyone know where I can find information on upcoming demonstrations/protests against the Muslim ban? Working Families Party is at JFK, and it looks like they're in for the long haul. Contact them and see if there are coordinated protests in your area. If not, organize one! looks like there's one in San Francisco too.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:Also, this is a good website: many thanks for linking this. i am absolutely going to use it.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:Working Families Party is at JFK, and it looks like they're in for the long haul. Contact them and see if there are coordinated protests in your area. If not, organize one! DSA is here at JFK too
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Just an FYI for people like me who are straight, white, and male, my older sister directed me to sign up for a local Showing Up For Racial Justice (SURJ) group. SURJ is an anti-racism organization that helps the privileged use their access to help those that have no privilege and they do it in a collaborative manner with other groups. See if your area has one. Seattle has like five. E: sorry if this is random and irrelevant to the discussion. I'm just sort of losing it and trying to stop feeling like human trash.
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