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Staltran: Jan 3, 2013; Fallen Rib

Will habitats generate border pressure? If you can make an outpost, build a habitat and then delete the outpost that will really shake up the lategame in low planet% games.

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# ? Jan 27, 2017 15:22

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# ? May 8, 2024 08:04

Zore: Sep 21, 2010; willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d�etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

Staltran posted:

Will habitats generate border pressure? If you can make an outpost, build a habitat and then delete the outpost that will really shake up the lategame in low planet% games.

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According to Wiz they also cost influence so that may not be a solution.

# ? Jan 27, 2017 15:26

LogisticEarth: Mar 28, 2004; Someone once told me, "Time is a flat circle".

Zore posted:

According to Wiz they also cost influence so that may not be a solution.

Well, colonies cost influence right now, just as a lump sum, not maintenance. Do we know habitats would have influence maintenance?

# ? Jan 27, 2017 15:31

Psychotic Weasel: Jun 24, 2004; Bang! You're dead.

GlyphGryph posted:

Is this... bad?

I have found a bit of neutral unclaimed territory can often be a good thing.

Well, yeah if it leaves a massive patch of empty space that no one is able to exploit. The unever distribution of planets can also really screw over an empire if one of their neighbours is able to spread oit a bit more and cast their borders over more energy, minerals or strategic resources. It's not like empty space really does anything, either. It's just wasted.

Staltran posted:

Will habitats generate border pressure? If you can make an outpost, build a habitat and then delete the outpost that will really shake up the lategame in low planet% games.

Pops will expand your borders from inhabited systems, so probably?

# ? Jan 27, 2017 15:32

DatonKallandor: Aug 21, 2009; "I can no longer sit back and allow nationalist shitposting, nationalist indoctrination, nationalist subversion, and the German nationalist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious game balance."

Wiz posted:

I've basically completely recoded the sector AI in 1.5 to prevent unnecessary resource accumulation, and the new tooltip I added shows you exactly what they are planning to do with the resources they have.

I want to add a 'prioritize happiness' setting if there's time, too.

Did you find the AI Empires performing better too after the sector recode or do they use different planet management logic?

# ? Jan 27, 2017 16:03

PittTheElder: Feb 13, 2012; Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

GlyphGryph posted:

It doesn't seem fair that they can declare war on another guy to seize MY planets and thus get around my defensive pacts.

That's perfectly fair. Do you not do it to the AI? Alliances, defensive or otherwise should be a liability as well as a source of strength.

# ? Jan 27, 2017 16:18

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GlyphGryph posted:

Is this... bad?

I have found a bit of neutral unclaimed territory can often be a good thing.

I had a game where there was a chasm of worthless systems between myself and another somewhat unfriendly empire for ages. After a while of us basically ignoring each other they apparently warmed up to me and we federationed up. It was a neat change to the usual.

# ? Jan 27, 2017 16:29

Psychotic Weasel: Jun 24, 2004; Bang! You're dead.

PittTheElder posted:

That's perfectly fair. Do you not do it to the AI? Alliances, defensive or otherwise should be a liability as well as a source of strength.

Seems kinda weird that this situation doesn't result in a Space WWI chain reaction, where by declaring on your smaller friend draws you in which in turn forces you into a defensive war and pulls in all your allies as well.

If you run around making defensive pacts with anyone and everyone you would still have the benefit of plenty of friends in a fight, but it would also leave you with the liability that if you start including weak and vulnerable members you could be pulled into neadless wars. So choose your friends carefully.

# ? Jan 27, 2017 16:32

Zore: Sep 21, 2010; willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d�etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

LogisticEarth posted:

Well, colonies cost influence right now, just as a lump sum, not maintenance. Do we know habitats would have influence maintenance?

He said yeah as a cap so you can't just literally spam them everywhere.

# ? Jan 27, 2017 16:45

TheCIASentMe: Jul 11, 2003; I'll get you! Just you wait and see!

I would think that defensive pacts should be based partially on the stated war goals. Take the example of the player defensive allied with 3 other civs who are not allied with one another.

If an AI attacks the player, obviously all 3 civs join the war. But if an AI attacks one of the other civs currently only the player would be drawn in, even if as part of the war goals is all of the player's planets and none of the targets planets.

I would think that defense pacts would need to change so that in the above situation the other two civs the player is allied to would be drawn in to the war depending on the war goals targeting the player. No war goals targetting the player = no defensive pact trigger. War goals targetting the player = defensive pact trigger.

Because yeah, the civs your allied with aren't going to give a poo poo if you are defending someone else because they didn't sign up to protect that other civ.

# ? Jan 27, 2017 16:52

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO: May 8, 2006

I'm leading the Non-Aligned Movement but the fallen empires are each at least three times as powerful as my whole fleet put together! poo poo! Is there a way I can lure them to fight each other? They're on opposite sides of the map (but at least I'm not in the middle).

# ? Jan 27, 2017 17:11

ulmont: Sep 15, 2010; IF I EVER MISS VOTING IN AN ELECTION (EVEN AMERICAN IDOL) ,OR HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FRANCHISE

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:

I'm leading the Non-Aligned Movement but the fallen empires are each at least three times as powerful as my whole fleet put together! poo poo! Is there a way I can lure them to fight each other? They're on opposite sides of the map (but at least I'm not in the middle).

Ignore the Fallen Empires other than to pay attention to where their death fleet is (and stay the hell away from there).

Then just occupy all of their little vassal races' planets. Each occupation is worth 5 WS or so, so there's a maximum of 20 you need before you can force victory. It's more of a slog than anything.

This is because the FEs are willing to generally mess around, thank god, rather than hunting down and murdering any fleets on the other side.

# ? Jan 27, 2017 17:23

tima: Mar 1, 2001; No longer a newbie

Wiz posted:

Fun fact: The EU4 army AI essentially consists of one gigantic evaluation where each AI army asks itself 'which province do I want to be standing in' every single in-game day. It has no concept of strategy, no long-term plan, just a list of provinces ordered from 'most want to stand in' to 'least want to stand in' with dozens upon dozens of weights and special cases that have grown out of endless iterations.

This has some drawbacks, but it also makes it incredibly robust, because it's not trying to follow some long-term strategy that might have ceased to be valid weeks ago. When the EU4 military AI breaks, it usually just does something like pick a poor fight or walk back and forth between provinces for a few days. Conversely, when the Stellaris military AI (which does have a layer of strategic thinking) breaks, it tends to freeze up completely.

EDIT: Oh yeah, the one exception in the EU4 military AI is the naval invasion AI, which does try to follow a rigid plan, and is also the part of the AI most prone to catastrophic breakdowns.

To add personality to AI you just can just add a strategy layer on top right, so you can have AI sort any planets by how easy it is to invade them, drug the pops and turn them into livestock, and all of a sudden you have a race with a lot of personality that's really good at eating the plant people.

# ? Jan 27, 2017 17:25

Talkie Toaster: Jan 23, 2006; May contain carcinogens

Zore posted:

He said yeah as a cap so you can't just literally spam them everywhere.

Not quite- he was responding to the snowball problem, where more orbitals = more resources = you can build orbitals faster, and it becomes a runaway thing that no-one else can catch up with. As influence gain doesn't scale with pops, you can't get this runaway effect- an empire with no orbitals can build more at the same rate as one with 20.

# ? Jan 27, 2017 17:32

Aethernet: Jan 28, 2009; This is the Captain...

Our glorious political masters have, in their wisdom, decided to form an alliance with a rag-tag bunch of freedom fighters right when the Federation has us at a tactical disadvantage. Unsurprisingly, this has resulted in the Feds firing on our vessels...

Damn you Huxley!; Grimey Drawer

https://twitter.com/Martin_Anward/status/824651685679300608

gently caress habitats, this is the main feature of 1.5.

# ? Jan 27, 2017 17:42

Serf: May 5, 2011

Aethernet posted:

https://twitter.com/Martin_Anward/status/824651685679300608

gently caress habitats, this is the main feature of 1.5.

I wonder how this will work. Like if my science ship can't survey a queued system with enemies in it, will it then move on to the next system? What if there's no valid paths to the next system? Great feature, just curious as to how it will be implemented.

# ? Jan 27, 2017 17:47

Poil: Mar 17, 2007

I'd like a resettlement option that moves a pop but costs a lot of energy as well as the influence to represent that you're compensating the affect people, with a lower happiness penalty than straight up deportation or whatever it normally is.

Also I got a bit bored of my current game and opened the console and typed in event crisis.1000 and event crisis.10. Hopefully things will get more interesting now. :v:

edit
Well the breaching point is on the other side of the galaxy but the portal is right next door.

Poil fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Jan 27, 2017

# ? Jan 27, 2017 18:15

GunnerJ: Aug 1, 2005; Do you think this is funny?

Serf posted:

I wonder how this will work. Like if my science ship can't survey a queued system with enemies in it, will it then move on to the next system? What if there's no valid paths to the next system? Great feature, just curious as to how it will be implemented.

If it can't do the next queued order and gives up (like it does when it's on auto-explore and can't find a new system), that would be fine. We'd be no worse off in that case, and better off when it can find a way.

# ? Jan 27, 2017 18:19

PittTheElder: Feb 13, 2012; Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Serf posted:

I wonder how this will work. Like if my science ship can't survey a queued system with enemies in it, will it then move on to the next system? What if there's no valid paths to the next system? Great feature, just curious as to how it will be implemented.

Presumably it would repath or abort if no safe path exists, which is the same behavior they show with auto-explore now.

# ? Jan 27, 2017 18:20

GunnerJ: Aug 1, 2005; Do you think this is funny?

Ugh, Signal Horizon gripe: an event in the chain made it so my homeworld pops changed to some new portrait type, now that shows up as the regular portrait type for the save even though I moved my capital. Kinda worried now that moving my capital will cause trouble down the line. Also that for the event that was supposed to give a leader a "Doomed" trait did not, and didn't even show the leader's name in the button tooltip...

# ? Jan 27, 2017 18:23

Roland Jones: Aug 18, 2011; by Nyc_Tattoo

https://twitter.com/Martin_Anward/status/825031483874168833

This is neat. I wonder how much you can affect things through this; are you still limited to three "points" of ethics, or can you now slide along every axis? If the former, how does it decide what ethics are lost?

Unfortunate that embracing one faction apparently displeases all others, even if they aren't personally at odds, though. Hopefully it's not too bad for factions that aren't opposed to what you embrace, at least.

# ? Jan 27, 2017 18:29

Truga: May 4, 2014; Lipstick Apathy

Also, I have no idea who selected the stellaris wiki favicon, but good job. I keep seeing internet explorer.

# ? Jan 27, 2017 18:30

PittTheElder: Feb 13, 2012; Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Wiz you gotta stop it with all these 1.5 tweets, my hype is already too real.

# ? Jan 27, 2017 18:40

Wiz: May 16, 2004; Nap Ghost

PittTheElder posted:

Wiz you gotta stop it with all these 1.5 tweets, my hype is already too real.

Pfft. We haven't even gotten to the *really* cool poo poo yet.

# ? Jan 27, 2017 18:57

Azuth0667: Sep 20, 2011; By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Wiz posted:

Pfft. We haven't even gotten to the *really* cool poo poo yet.

1.5 when?!

# ? Jan 27, 2017 19:03

Fork of Unknown Origins: Oct 21, 2005; Gotta Herd On?

Wiz posted:

Pfft. We haven't even gotten to the *really* cool poo poo yet.

Interspecies diplomatic marriages?

# ? Jan 27, 2017 19:31

Tarquinn: Jul 3, 2007; I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you
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Personally I hope for command ships, titans that can be build by players. :pray:

# ? Jan 27, 2017 19:45

Kitchner: Nov 9, 2012; IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
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Wiz posted:

Pfft. We haven't even gotten to the *really* cool poo poo yet.

+ Added Sweden as playable nation

# ? Jan 27, 2017 19:58

Eiba: Jul 26, 2007

Roland Jones posted:

https://twitter.com/Martin_Anward/status/825031483874168833

This is neat. I wonder how much you can affect things through this; are you still limited to three "points" of ethics, or can you now slide along every axis? If the former, how does it decide what ethics are lost?

Unfortunate that embracing one faction apparently displeases all others, even if they aren't personally at odds, though. Hopefully it's not too bad for factions that aren't opposed to what you embrace, at least.

The way it reads is that you move one stage more xenophobe. So I guess if you were xenophile you'd go neutral. But if you were neutral, the way this reads, you'd just gain an ethic.

So yeah, at the cost of pissing off other factions, looks like you can have more than three ethics points.

# ? Jan 27, 2017 20:06

Anticheese: Feb 13, 2008; $60,000,000 sexbot

Fork of Unknown Origins posted:

Interspecies diplomatic marriages?

That was one of the few cool features in the original Elemental. Crossing the leader of your generic noble forest-loving bowmen or the designated research nation with the child of the hosed-up lizard mutants was one of the few ways to bridge the gap between the 'good' and 'evil' branches of humanity.

It was also one of the few ways to get more mages. And species traits blended, so the heir to your ~good guys~ kingdom would have plate-scales or Jem'Hadar horns. :unsmigghh:

# ? Jan 27, 2017 20:07

Poil: Mar 17, 2007

Cannibalistic trait, lose growth speed if not consuming sentient beings?
Delicious trait, provides extra happiness when eaten?

Eiba posted:

The way it reads is that you move one stage more xenophobe. So I guess if you were xenophile you'd go neutral. But if you were neutral, the way this reads, you'd just gain an ethic.

So yeah, at the cost of pissing off other factions, looks like you can have more than three ethics points.

No fanatic neutral?

# ? Jan 27, 2017 20:21

Anticheese: Feb 13, 2008; $60,000,000 sexbot

I'm a horrible person for this, but I would love to be able to engineer a 'delicious' trait into captured pops. Also, to be able to add negative traits, even if I don't get gene points back for them.

:unsmigghh:

# ? Jan 27, 2017 20:38

Arglebargle III: Feb 21, 2006

Poil posted:

No fanatic neutral?

Our science has proved that Truth is in the middle. We regard with patience the childlike efforts of those who delude themselves as they play with their concept of "objective facts."

# ? Jan 27, 2017 20:44

Torrannor: Apr 27, 2013; ---FAGNER---
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I like that bit about egalitarians and spiritualists spreading ethics attraction. My religious space birds will convert all these filthy machine lovers! (Or kill them)

# ? Jan 27, 2017 20:51

Poil: Mar 17, 2007

I wonder if Solitary and Communal wouldn't be better if they worked like Charismatic and Repugnant. But Communal would probably need to be at +0.5%. Or maybe they were given flat 5% because it's simpler and redundant to go further with it. :v:

Anticheese posted:

I'm a horrible person for this, but I would love to be able to engineer a 'delicious' trait into captured pops. Also, to be able to add negative traits, even if I don't get gene points back for them.

Yeah, it would be fun to alter a race into being shortlived or something just to hurt them some more. Or remove their fast breeder trait at least. drat repugnant pests!

# ? Jan 27, 2017 21:06

Truga: May 4, 2014; Lipstick Apathy

How do you define delicious though? Even some humans are weird and like poo poo that's way too sour or salty for me to even go near. There better be traits for what tastes aliens like and what aliens taste like. :v:

# ? Jan 27, 2017 21:14

Jeb Bush 2012: Apr 4, 2007; A mathematician, like a painter or poet, is a maker of patterns. If his patterns are more permanent than theirs, it is because they are made with ideas.

Arglebargle III posted:

Our science has proved that Truth is in the middle. We regard with patience the childlike efforts of those who delude themselves as they play with their concept of "objective facts."

sneak preview of the fanatic neutral diplomacy screen

https://twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312

# ? Jan 27, 2017 21:18

Baronjutter: Dec 31, 2007; "Tiny Trains"

Truga posted:

How do you define delicious though? Even some humans are weird and like poo poo that's way too sour or salty for me to even go near. There better be traits for what tastes aliens like and what aliens taste like.

# ? Jan 27, 2017 21:19

Truga: May 4, 2014; Lipstick Apathy

Likes: avian meat -- lifetime -5 due to avian flu

# ? Jan 27, 2017 21:21

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# ? May 8, 2024 08:04

PittTheElder: Feb 13, 2012; Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Poil posted:

Cannibalistic trait, lose growth speed if not consuming sentient beings?
Delicious trait, provides extra happiness when eaten?

No fanatic neutral?

Aren't the nomads labelled 'Despicable Neutrals' for not having ethics?

# ? Jan 27, 2017 21:31

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