HEY GAIL posted:The 1870s are recognisably different from the things i'm familiar with though. If war got modern by the 1890s, things are definitely beginning to change by the 1870s. A transition period is still a beginning. Well yeah going from matchlock musket to the dreyse needlegun is a huge rear end leap alone. I wonder what a guy from your era would make of a frigging bolt action rifle.
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SeanBeansShako posted:Well yeah going from matchlock musket to the dreyse needlegun is a huge rear end leap alone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beOgmCxeh7A well, you release the breech with a little latch, not a bolt... 
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SeanBeansShako posted:Well yeah going from matchlock musket to the dreyse needlegun is a huge rear end leap alone. Hell, go for broke and hook the guy up with an A-10. Everyone gets nicely lined up in their neat little boxes and rows with their lil' flags and horsies and then *FAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT* from the infernal magic device which is being cast aloft with a screaming roar, men and banners and horses all on the ground as the smoke and dust clear, parts of man and beast strewn about with the few capable of doing so spending their final earthly moments screaming and writhing or making imperfect efforts at one or the other.
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But then he'll demolish whole houses trying to fire out of windows!
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Jan 27, 2017 23:58
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SeanBeansShako posted:But then he'll demolish whole houses trying to fire out of windows! Every wall is a window waiting to be born.
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you need to figure out a way to make that baroquepunk though, add some filigree and try to figure out a way for a GAU-8/A to fire with a wheellock mechanism edit: rare wood inlay, engraved ivory plates, gild everything HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Jan 28, 2017 |
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Jan 28, 2017 00:24
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For tankchat types The Chieftain of World of Tanks fame has a new set of 'Inside the Hatch' videos, this time of the M4A1 (Actually it's a Grizzly) For extra fun he does a 'Oh poo poo! The tank is on fire! test in the assistant driver's position'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACqzevjK2DQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PS1Pka7lBQ
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HEY GAIL posted:you need to figure out a way to make that baroquepunk though, add some filigree and try to figure out a way for a GAU-8/A to fire with a wheellock mechanism a black powder gau-8 so much smoke so much fouling
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Pornographic Memory posted:a black powder gau-8
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ArchangeI posted:I'm not sure, I think it got reported pretty quickly. I've seen the Newsreels, and I think it was reported the same week. They tried to spin it hard as "Moscow orders Anglo-American landing in France" and "Poor French villagers terrorized by allied fighter-bombers" This stuff never shows up on the History Channel. You've got German movies of wrecked Allied gliders (and driving a jeep out of it), allied destroyers under fire just off the coast and shots of allied POW's from wrecked Sherman's with 88mm holes (could be a 75?) right in the side of the engine.
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HEY GAIL posted:excuse me, a bespoke handcrafted gau-8 Each barrel is a slightly different calibre.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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I was killing time in a bookstore and almost bought a copy of a world lit only by fire but i balked at the last minute
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PittTheElder posted:Each barrel is a slightly different calibre. caliber? what's that? guns are measured according to the weight of lead in the bullet they fire  ed: if they're measured at all, which: 
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ArchangeI posted:I'm not sure, I think it got reported pretty quickly. I've seen the Newsreels, and I think it was reported the same week. They tried to spin it hard as "Moscow orders Anglo-American landing in France" and "Poor French villagers terrorized by allied fighter-bombers" Is that footage of wrecked landing boats on beaches from Dieppe?
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HEY GAIL posted:the difference is the nature of the propellant, that you're setting the powder off with a chemical reaction instead of sparks or flame, Fire is a chemical reaction dummy
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Rodrigo Diaz posted:Fire is a chemical reaction dummy you know what i meant you hypercombative cracker!!
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The Krengel Diary Part 29 Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 Part 4 Part 5 Part 6 Part 7 Part 8 Part 9 Part 10 Part 11 Part 12 Part 13 Part 14 Part 15 Part 16 Part 17 Part 18 Part 19 Part 20 Part 21 Part 22 Part 23 Part 24 Part 25 Part 26 Part 27 Part 28 1945 13 April: At 3 PM we get new attack orders for the Hindenburg area. My 20mm command vehicle has radio problems so I'm on my own in Hindenburg. When everyone started to retreat, I followed. The town is not safe to stay in alone. On the 14th we are ordered to patrol north of Hindenburg. We encounter an enemy infantry unit on the 15th and attack it. We destroy 2 heavy mortars. 16 April: We patrol a dense forest area near Thaya. Russian tanks are reported on our front. On the 17th we patrol Selowitz. The sugar refinery is in flames, which lights up the area but the town is free of enemy except for an enemy patrol on horseback that is quickly destroyed. 18 April: I do a lone patrol and find 50-60 enemy tanks assembled nearby, but some of our Tiger and Hetzer units keep them at bay; lots of air activity by our Luftwaffe. We get new orders to proceed to Brunn. 19 April: I refuel at a gas depot, then patrol the area around Schwarzkirchen and observe 40 heavy Stalin tanks. On patrol, we met Lt.Menke who was MIA. We pick him up and retreat toward Mohelo but we run into a partisan unit at 10 PM. Several members of our group are wounded. In retaliation we destroy the village. A partisan truck and one of their commanders were taken prisoner. 20 April: At 4 PM we return to our Battle Group and drive to Brunn to fill up with fuel. I write a long letter to Inge. 21 April: We are ordered to retreat to Poysdorf. Commanding General Klamann is with us. We are in Germany proper now, just over the border. We do a few patrols on the 22nd, then I am ordered to Corps HQ at 4 PM. I stay with Corps HQ until the 26th then transfer to Lechwitz. Messages arrive from the front where part of my unit is fighting. Sgt. Muller has been badly wounded. They are still fighting partisans just over the border in the Protectorate. I believe Krengel means Kleemann, as in Ulrich Kleemann. He commanded the 90th Light Infantry from 1942 to 1943. 1 May: I am still at Corps HQ. We receive the unbelievable news that our Fuhrer has fallen KIA. We cry like little puppies. 2 May: With Corps HQ, the situation is uncertain. What are we going to do? On May the 4th we set off towards the west but have a breakdown on the 5th. We're stuck in a ditch with no way to get out. We sleep inside the vehicle. On the 6th I can wait no longer and march on foot to find a towing unit. With Scholl's towing unit we manage to get back on the road and head west to capitulate. We reach Winterberg and that's where we lay down our arms to US forces.
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ArchangeI posted:I'm not sure, I think it got reported pretty quickly. I've seen the Newsreels, and I think it was reported the same week. They tried to spin it hard as "Moscow orders Anglo-American landing in France" and "Poor French villagers terrorized by allied fighter-bombers" God I love this. It's broadly accurate yet so full of bullshit. Tell us more about the torpedo boats savaging the invasion fleet 
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Cyrano4747 posted:God I love this. It's broadly accurate yet so full of bullshit. Tell us more about the torpedo boats savaging the invasion fleet I guess I should post a link to, I think, the full collection of those newsreels from '36(?) to '45~ish. Once I get the chance, of course.
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quote:Several members of our group are wounded. In retaliation we destroy the village Then he runs to surrender to the US. What a hero.
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The Krengel Diary Part 30 Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 Part 4 Part 5 Part 6 Part 7 Part 8 Part 9 Part 10 Part 11 Part 12 Part 13 Part 14 Part 15 Part 16 Part 17 Part 18 Part 19 Part 20 Part 21 Part 22 Part 23 Part 24 Part 25 Part 26 Part 27 Part 28 Part 29 1945 9 May: We are transported as POWs by truck to Freying. Jan Schmidt is with me in the same truck. We decide to make a break for it but we get deposited in a huge POW compound. We manage to break out of the compound at night and hide in a small forest. We find civilian clothes in an empty house and change out of our uniforms. We reach Ellenberg in the Bavarian Forest on foot on the 10th. 12 May: We leave Ellenberg and walk on the road through Zwiesel, Zell, Deggendorf, and Offenberg. We avoid control and checkpoints near Cham and have our first bath in a creek. On May 15th we walk 10 km and stop at a farm. We are welcomed. The next day we are off again, reaching north of Regensburg before stopping for the night in a house off the main road. 17 May: We bypass Regensburg and a truck gives us a lift to Seubersdorf. Jan knows a girl there that he wants to visit. We stop for the day and get a good meal. We help bury an SS man that was found dead in a roadside ditch. 19 May: We travel on foot to Neumarkt, then get another lift on a truck to Nuremberg. I reach my parents home at 1:30 PM. 6 June: Today I begin a trip to Berlin. I stop in Koburg to see Aunt Gusti. I travel through the Thuringian forest on the 9th and reach Eckardsberg on the 10th. 11 June: I have made it to Nobitz and reach the American border zone at Rochlitz. Here I survey the opposite side of the Mulde River, which is in the Russian zone of occupation. I cross the Mulde River on the 14th and a farmer with an oxcart takes me to Kiebitz and gives me a bicycle. 16 June: I pedal to Riesa, where a bunch of Pollacks steal my bicycle but leave the rucksack behind. So I'm on foot again. 17 June: I traveled through Wittenberg and Juterbock today. On the 18th I reached Berlin and arrived at Inge's house at noon. We spent the next few days going out, watching stupid Russian films, and visiting old friends in Wannsee. On the 24th I stayed the night with Inge. We went swimming the next day. I organized trips to farms to get food and managed to get several pounds of potatoes on 11 July. 15 July: I leave Berlin to return to Nuremberg. I avoid the zone control points and swim across the Mulde River at night to reach Nuremberg on 19 July. Here my war diary ends. I'm not legal yet so on 27 July, 1945 I drive to Ansbach to be interrogated at 1 PM. By 7 PM I'm cleared and can go home. I reach home at night. Therefore, I was a soldier from: 27 August 1939 to 27 July 1945 5 Years and 11 months. This diary now ends.
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Wow. Thanks for posting all of that.
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Book plug incoming: If you want to read Krengel's diary yourself, including his pre-Africa days and his obituary, you may want to consider purchasing Two Soldiers, Two Lost Fronts. The first half is a unit diary for an Eastern Front Panzer unit, and the 2nd half, obviously, is Krengel's war diary. I haven't gone through most of the Eastern Front stuff but its quite interesting. And for those who may be curious, I chose Krengel's diary because I didn't know too much about North Africa wrt day-to-day living over there.
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Krengel's last days as a soldier: destroys village, surrenders, inexplicably escapes after surrendering, goes on a quest to pork his gf, surrenders again. gg Krengel! Any info on what he does after the war? Does he redeem himself?
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So I was playing EU4 as I am wont to do and it always serves as a springboard for random Modern Era milhist related googling and I got a quick question about state actors pretending to be mercs. I can think of a few obvious examples (every Cold War conflict, the Flying Tigers) off the top of my head but are there any other times where a "totally mercenaries I swear" group of state actors got involved in a war their country isn't part of and made a significant impact? I feel like this has happened a hundred times but I don't know how you'd go about googling it.
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Animal posted:Krengel's last days as a soldier: destroys village, surrenders, inexplicably escapes after surrendering, goes on a quest to pork his gf, surrenders again. Technically his diary has one entry after his "last". He was with General Lucius Clay on an official plane to Berlin at the start of the Berlin Airlift. Not sure if he helped or whatever, but he studied economics at some point, and his obituary states: "In the summer of 1950, Rolf Krengel composed the quarterly public economic accounting report for West Berlin. On the basis of this report, the western region of Berlin was included in the European Recovery Program." How significant is that? I dunno, I imagine 'very' but that's certainly not in my area of interests.
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Eej posted:So I was playing EU4 as I am wont to do and it always serves as a springboard for random Modern Era milhist related googling and I got a quick question about state actors pretending to be mercs. I can think of a few obvious examples (every Cold War conflict, the Flying Tigers) off the top of my head but are there any other times where a "totally mercenaries I swear" group of state actors got involved in a war their country isn't part of and made a significant impact? I feel like this has happened a hundred times but I don't know how you'd go about googling it. I don't know much about mercenaries, but Wikipedia got a good list of stuff to read up on. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercenary#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mercenaries Jobbo_Fett fucked around with this message at 09:16 on Jan 28, 2017 |
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Thanks again for posting that Jobbo. That was fun to read.
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Do LGMs count as Mercs?  Gotta love Krengel. Surrender, run away, get laid, get your bicycle stolen by Poles (it's a joke around here), surrender again... What was that part about him not being legal yet and being interrogated?
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JcDent posted:Do LGMs count as Mercs? Pretty sure you had to be interrogated by the Allies before you could get your "passport" or whatever signed/stamped that you, in fact, have proven you're not some Nazi/SS hiding amongst the population.
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Eej posted:So I was playing EU4 as I am wont to do and it always serves as a springboard for random Modern Era milhist related googling and I got a quick question about state actors pretending to be mercs. I can think of a few obvious examples (every Cold War conflict, the Flying Tigers) off the top of my head but are there any other times where a "totally mercenaries I swear" group of state actors got involved in a war their country isn't part of and made a significant impact? I feel like this has happened a hundred times but I don't know how you'd go about googling it. Not quite 'mercenaries' but the Italians and Germans in the Spanish Civil War.
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On the off-chance I was feeling sympathetic for Krengel the "We got attacked by partisans so we liquidated some random village they happened to be near" thing dispelled any of that. Eugh. Thanks for the post, though.
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Oh, Krengel. Spend half the African campaign on sick call, go chill in Berlin for 2 years on more sick leave/training detail, warcrime a village because muh partisans, surrender, run away, sneak into and out of the Soviet zone to go bang your girlfriend, and then surrender again. Truly, the epitome of the honorable Prussian warrior.
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Eh, better than constant Rollkommandos in russian villages.
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HEY GAIL posted:you need to figure out a way to make that baroquepunk though, add some filigree and try to figure out a way for a GAU-8/A to fire with a wheellock mechanism You're describing a space marine assault cannon. E: HEY GAIL posted:excuse me, a bespoke handcrafted gau-8 Still a space marine assault cannon.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Pretty sure you had to be interrogated by the Allies before you could get your "passport" or whatever signed/stamped that you, in fact, have proven you're not some Nazi/SS hiding amongst the population. Pretty much. After the surrender any POWs had to be processed before they were officially released and made "civilians" again. There are a lot of legal distinctions to how you can treat a surrendered enemy combatant vs how you can treat a civilian in an occupied territory, everything from how you can treat them (e.g. can't order civilians to go clear mines in Normandy for a year) to your responsibilities for them (don't necessarily need to feed civilians). Processing a few million germans from enemy combatants to civvies was a big part of 45-46. As part of that was a general sifting to make sure they arrested any bigwigs. Goering was found that way, for example. Later most people had to go through a whole denazification tribunal, but that was a separate process and involved both military and civilians.
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Oh also Hey Gal I think that a forty-shot double action pistol you can only reload by pulling the trigger with live ammo in it is something your guys might appreciate.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:
I guess a fish does need a bicycle.
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Any goons with an interest in late medieval/early modern arms and armour owe t to themselves to check out the Wallace Collection in London. There's a massive armoury with some really amazing/ beautiful pieces. I'm currently standing in front of a halberd with a flintlock mechanism and barrel embedded in the head.
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