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I thought the idea of Trump unilaterally lifting Russian sanctions was something even the House Republicans would fight. Now I am pretty certain that they fight for it. This is ridiculously short-sighted and dangerous, even from just US perspective, and from East European perspective it is absolutely horrid.
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With America aligning with Russia, it comes as a bit a of surprise that Lukashenko calls current conflict in Ukrain a war for independence. https://lenta.ru/news/2017/01/27/lukashenko/ Lukashenko posted:We didn't pay too high a price for our independence. All nations fought wars for it, and the brotherly nation of Ukraine is fighting for it even today. We should never allow it come to war, though. We are peaceful people. My guess is a European credit is on the way.
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Jan 27, 2017 14:41
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Dwesa posted:One well known picture comes to my mind when reading about Trump lifting sanctions and recognizing Crimea I don't know if Crimea could go back to Ukraine now. My family there are totally on board with being Russians now. And my family still in Ukraine are really mad at them. I don't know how it could ever go back. On a separate note: Have the Russians been doing anything with the tatars in Crimea?
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spacetoaster posted:I don't know if Crimea could go back to Ukraine now. My family there are totally on board with being Russians now. And my family still in Ukraine are really mad at them. I don't know how it could ever go back.
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Jan 27, 2017 15:22
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cinci zoo sniper posted:They essentially dissolved Tatars on organisational level, going after their religion. So are they deporting them? I understand that was what the Soviets did.
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Jan 27, 2017 15:25
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spacetoaster posted:So are they deporting them? I understand that was what the Soviets did.
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Jan 27, 2017 15:27
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I'm not aware of any mass-scale deportation, but the Russian authorities have persecuted their religious and community leaders. Yeah, I see that now. http://www.dailysabah.com/europe/2017/01/26/russia-detains-crimean-tatar-lawyer-over-alleged-extremist-propaganda I'd really like to see what the "extremist propaganda" is though.
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I'm surprised they haven't come up with a Kadyrov equivalent for the Tatars, that's probably their best case scenario. 
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AceRimmer posted:I'm surprised they haven't come up with a Kadyrov equivalent for the Tatars, that's probably their best case scenario.
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Jan 27, 2017 21:25
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:This is going to be the big news today. It's something Trump said he would do, and if you saw Rachel Maddow's broadcast last night, it makes sense. I'm curious if Trump will actually make good on another promise he made concerning recognizing Crimea as part of Russia. The God's true country can't be established by the action of a mere foreigner.
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Yesterday there was a major escalation of conflict at Ukraine's Avdiivka. Many attacks on Ukrainian defenders, as well as against targets in the DNR. https://twitter.com/666_mancer/status/824865174381228032 Suspiciously several top guys from LNR and DNR "died" yesterday of unspecified causes - power struggle? Russian purge of no longer useful idiots?
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/27/donald-trump-michigan-voters-media "I’m not white, I’m Euro-American of Polish descent"
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Jan 27, 2017 23:14
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Issue there is lack of thereof, Tatars have been a tightly knit bunch, for the most of it, rather than mutually hostile clans where you can buy yourself a political top-dog. Also Kadyrov's deal let him basically run the pace with little regard of Russian law. There is no way the Russian settlers in Crimea would be OK with Tatars having this sort of self-rule.
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steinrokkan posted:Yesterday there was a major escalation of conflict at Ukraine's Avdiivka. Many attacks on Ukrainian defenders, as well as against targets in the DNR. I've been hearing that there's been arrests of FSB agents inside Russia. What's exactly going on?
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Jan 28, 2017 06:00
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Young Freud posted:I've been hearing that there's been arrests of FSB agents inside Russia. What's exactly going on? If you're referencing Sergei Mikhailov and Ruslan Stoyanov, it's conjectured to be a case of Putin trying to plug leaks with respect to any information on interference in the US elections. If not, and there have been even more arrests since then, I have no idea.
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Jan 28, 2017 06:12
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Young Freud posted:I've been hearing that there's been arrests of FSB agents inside Russia. What's exactly going on? This is the piece Rachel Maddow did in on Thursday. The theory is these are the guys responsible for leaking to the US via a retired MI6 agent that Putin has compromising information about Trump and proof that Russia interfered with the US elections to get Trump elected, including a video of Trump hiring prostitutes to piss on a bed the Obamas slept in when they were in Russia.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:This is the piece Rachel Maddow did in on Thursday. The theory is these are the guys responsible for leaking to the US via a retired MI6 agent that Putin has compromising information about Trump and proof that Russia interfered with the US elections to get Trump elected, including a video of Trump hiring prostitutes to piss on a bed the Obamas slept in when they were in Russia. Well, that's US media, anyway. Media closer to region seems to suggest that some were involved in hacks of Russian officials, like the Prime Napper Medvedev and Surkov.
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OddObserver posted:Well, that's US media, anyway. Media closer to region seems to suggest that some were involved in hacks of Russian officials, like the Prime Napper Medvedev and Surkov. Links?
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Links? https://meduza.io/news/2017/01/28/rosbalt-soobschil-ob-areste-lidera-shaltaya-boltaya This gives a new name --- Anikeev --- but one that apparently has mentioned Mikhailov in his testimony...
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Regarde Aduck posted:Doesn't this just signal that the information leaked is legit? I would agree yes, but we're in this weird "the truth is unknowable" space in the US now. OddObserver posted:https://meduza.io/news/2017/01/28/rosbalt-soobschil-ob-areste-lidera-shaltaya-boltaya Cheers
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Regarde Aduck posted:Doesn't this just signal that the information leaked is legit? I would question that because Putin already got on TV and called it all a lie. He also said that anyone who is spreading it is worse than a prostitute. After saying all that I don't think he could use it without looking like a fool.
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Though they have little use of it now if their goal was simply to disrupt the candidate most detrimental to the Russian government. I really don't think Trump is a Russian stooge controlled by Putin, he is simply more easily influenced by pro Russian talking points because he has surrounded himself with yes-men and aides from the alt right counter factual movement, which has a large bias for strongmen and Russia. So it's not like he has a handler, he just willingly marinates himself in his alt right echo chamber, probably because he believes parts of it himself.
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Zudgemud posted:Though they have little use of it now if their goal was simply to disrupt the candidate most detrimental to the Russian government. I really don't think Trump is a Russian stooge controlled by Putin, he is simply more easily influenced by pro Russian talking points because he has surrounded himself with yes-men and aides from the alt right counter factual movement, which has a large bias for strongmen and Russia. So it's not like he has a handler, he just willingly marinates himself in his alt right echo chamber, probably because he believes parts of it himself. yeah basically this is a payoff for the RT-Infowars collaboration beyond putin's wildest dreams
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I can't get over it. They're literally called INFOWARS.
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So Ukraine is definitely heating up. The fighting has spread from outskirts of Donetsk, which I posted couple days ago, now there are also explosions at Mariupol and Luhansk. 60 incidents of artillery bombardment recorded over past 24 hours. Electricity and water networks failing around Donetsk amid the fighting.
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second day of non-stop shelling. The Russians have eliminated the US as a threat. Their puppet Bannon is behind the president. Now they can push.
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rear end struggle posted:second day of non-stop shelling. What's their goal? A land connection to Crimea?
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spacetoaster posted:What's their goal? A land connection to Crimea? That was the speculation at the time the conflict was hot. They need to take Mariupol and probably want Odessa as well.
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A Pale Horse posted:That was the speculation at the time the conflict was hot. They need to take Mariupol and probably want Odessa as well. For what it's worth, it may as well be Putin catching wind that Trump is flippant idiot manchild, and preparing a "diplomatic gift" for some future talks.
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spacetoaster posted:What's their goal? A land connection to Crimea? Primary objective: land connection to Crimea Secondary objective: land connection to Transnistria Bonus objective: full Anschluss of Ukraine Basically they'll try to take as much as they can, but they want at least to get full access to Crimea.
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While sitting in the shop waiting for the mechanic to tell me he can't figure out why my car won't shift out of park, I read this article tweeted by Shaun King. It's pretty thorough, but explains why the immigrant ban happened this weekend, It's a test to see how much chaos the administration can create while grabbing as much power of the government as possible. There is also this detail about 19% of Rosneft's ownership being divested and possibly why. The entire article is worth reading to understand what is going on in Washington DC at the moment, but I will quote the part relevant to EE discussion here. https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5#.zb3s3n5sf quote:
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Mariupol is the third largest contributor to the Ukrainian national budget. It's very important. Also the largest metallurgy foundaries in Ukraine are located in Mariupol iirc. This is a good video to understand Mariupol a little more from a strategic view. https://news.vice.com/video/russian-roulette-dispatch-100
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rear end struggle posted:7 Ukrainian troops killed today. And perhaps as many as 400,000 residents remaining without water, electricity --- or heat. http://mfa.gov.ua/ua/press-center/news/54190-zajava-mzs-ukrajini-u-zvjazku-iz-zagostrennyam-situaciji-na-donbasi Current temperature:-19C
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:While sitting in the shop waiting for the mechanic to tell me he can't figure out why my car won't shift out of park, I read this article tweeted by Shaun King. It's pretty thorough, but explains why the immigrant ban happened this weekend, It's a test to see how much chaos the administration can create while grabbing as much power of the government as possible. There is also this detail about 19% of Rosneft's ownership being divested and possibly why. The entire article is worth reading to understand what is going on in Washington DC at the moment, but I will quote the part relevant to EE discussion here. drat this is kind of scary if at least a portion of that is true. However I've come across this: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-07/glencore-qatar-fund-buy-russia-s-rosneft-stake-for-11-billion which clearly states that Rosneft was sold to someone from Quatar so that kind of rebunks Yonatan Zunger's claims.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:While sitting in the shop waiting for the mechanic to tell me he can't figure out why my car won't shift out of park, I read this article tweeted by Shaun King. It's pretty thorough, but explains why the immigrant ban happened this weekend, It's a test to see how much chaos the administration can create while grabbing as much power of the government as possible. There is also this detail about 19% of Rosneft's ownership being divested and possibly why. The entire article is worth reading to understand what is going on in Washington DC at the moment, but I will quote the part relevant to EE discussion here. This is a pretty terrible conspiracy theory level crap, tbh.
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