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what if the head trauma from punching is what creates nazis, basically the inverse of goku being dropped on his head as a baby
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Pseudo-God posted:I really hate to "pull rank" about who suffered more, since it is very unhelpful and distracting, but you brought the oppression olympics yourself by calling me a Nazi sympathizer. So let me try to explain this in another way. won't somebody please think of the poor racists? hey here's a clue: nazis advocate for white supremacy and genocide sorry you have no memory of history before the nineties~
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Jan 30, 2017 04:07
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Rodatose posted:It's pretty simple. "Can you coexist in a society with people of other innate statuses?" If the answer is "yes" congratulations, you can exist in a peace-loving society! If the answer is "no, i'm going to live in the remote mountains of idaho," congratulations, you aren't causing harm. If the answer is "But do we need the black race? I think i'm going to start getting into politics and spreading a genocide-positive message" then you and the peace-loving society can't thrive side-by-side. There's no use allowing those ideas to have even the chance to take root on the chance they bring fruit and destabilize society. However, "this speech can be criminalized by the state in a manner consistent with the due process of law" and "this speech can be met with vigilante hit-and-run sucker punches" are light years apart.
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Jan 30, 2017 04:07
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You literally need to wait until they stuff you into the gas chamber before you can oppose them guys, anything else is just .... uncivilized!! 
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Jan 30, 2017 04:07
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:i don't think you "get" stone cold keep on capitulating, swine
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Jan 30, 2017 04:08
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Flesh Forge posted:You know this thing with politicians that run for office and dudes that work with them and advise them and then stuff happens?? Maybe you haven't heard of it a lot of people don't understand it. so he has an idea and he's trying to get people to share his idea and it hasn't worked because we don't have some kind of weird active genocide going on, idg the risk
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Jan 30, 2017 04:08
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:so he has an idea and he's trying to get people to share his idea and it hasn't worked because we don't have some kind of weird active genocide going on, idg the risk hate crimes don't exist there's not an active Muslim ban unless literal camps exist, genocide isn't happening -totally not a pissbaby
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Jan 30, 2017 04:09
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The vagueries of nazism. The grey zone of fascism. Schrödinger's Hitler.
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Jan 30, 2017 04:09
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If you wait until they succeed won't it be a bit too late to do anything about it?
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Jan 30, 2017 04:09
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i mean there's some kind of notion in the thread that humanity can't be trusted to have certain ideas floating around the population, and i'm a bit too optimistic about humanity to really go with that
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Jan 30, 2017 04:10
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FreeKillB posted:However, "this speech can be criminalized by the state in a manner consistent with the due process of law" and "this speech can be met with vigilante hit-and-run sucker punches" are light years apart. The lack of equal due process in the US is a problem central to this
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Jan 30, 2017 04:10
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yet not optimistic enough to trust that fash-bashing wont spiral out of control into The Purge
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Jan 30, 2017 04:11
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that's never been my opinion, you're confusing me with something else or maybe the narrative of one of those youtube guys
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Jan 30, 2017 04:12
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:so he has an idea and he's trying to get people to share his idea and it hasn't worked because we don't have some kind of weird active genocide going on, idg the risk If you can't see how this fresh, hip idea about racial cleansing is genuinely gaining traction in the past couple of years, you must not be watching the news.
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Jan 30, 2017 04:12
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:i mean there's some kind of notion in the thread that humanity can't be trusted to have certain ideas floating around the population, and i'm a bit too optimistic about humanity to really go with that
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Jan 30, 2017 04:12
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Pseudo-God posted:Jewish bankers could you elucidate on what you mean about opinions on "Jewish bankers," by the way, friend
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Jan 30, 2017 04:13
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R. Mute posted:You know when Jewish people say "Never again" the again part actually refers to something that already happened, right? i have, and as i brought up earlier i don't really see a genocide as capable of occurring in america at the moment and haven't been persuaded to the contrary
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Jan 30, 2017 04:13
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:so he has an idea and he's trying to get people to share his idea and it hasn't worked because we don't have some kind of weird active genocide going on, idg the risk highest % prison population on earth, have a history of genocide against native americans and africans/african americans which is still ignored or felt hostility towards by many to this day, illegally killed hundreds of thousands of middle easterners within this generation, have a highly-volatile president who's already banned muslims from entering the country 8 days in and previously suggested putting latinos onto train cars
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Jan 30, 2017 04:14
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:i have, and as i brought up earlier i don't really see a genocide as capable of occurring in america at the moment and haven't been persuaded to the contrary -a guait
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Jan 30, 2017 04:14
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Flesh Forge posted:If you can't see how this fresh, hip idea about racial cleansing is genuinely gaining traction in the past couple of years, you must not be watching the news. i have, and people in the u.s. are getting less murderous each year, rather than more
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Jan 30, 2017 04:15
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:i have, and people in the u.s. are getting less murderous each year, rather than more studiously ignores the rise in hate crimes
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Jan 30, 2017 04:16
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... and that relates to people working tirelessly to accomplish literal, actual genocide in what way exactly?
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Jan 30, 2017 04:16
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Flesh Forge posted:... and that relates to people working tirelessly to accomplish literal, actual genocide in what way exactly? it relates to them failing hilariously
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Jan 30, 2017 04:17
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sorry im getting all the nazi defenders itt confused
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Jan 30, 2017 04:17
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:i have, and as i brought up earlier i don't really see a genocide as capable of occurring in america at the moment and haven't been persuaded to the contrary 1. You say people can be trusted with ideas like fascism 2. I point out that the last time we trusted people with ideas like fascism, we got fascism and also the Holocaust, a clear example that you shouldn't trust people with ideas like fascism. 3. You don't get it.
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Jan 30, 2017 04:18
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:it relates to them failing hilariously Everything will turn out all right then. You can take it easy. we can just chill out, like you say, while having the most posts in this thread.
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Jan 30, 2017 04:19
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R. Mute posted:Let me walk you through it: trusting people to be capable of entertaining a given idea did not directly lead to genocide, dude (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jan 30, 2017 04:19
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:it relates to them failing hilariously certainly, there's never been a ramp up in hate crimes against minorities in the run up to a genocide nope, they appear spontaneously
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Jan 30, 2017 04:19
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:it relates to them failing hilariously So you're saying that it's impossible they they'll ever succeed? I guess? Which is pretty dumb?
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Jan 30, 2017 04:20
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Flesh Forge posted:So you're saying that it's impossible they they'll ever succeed? I guess? Which is pretty dumb? i'm saying that i haven't seen any convincing indicators that they will, other than if you scream trump or something, which i don't really sign onto as an indicator of impending fascism or genocide despite joking about it continually in the months leading up to the election
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Jan 30, 2017 04:21
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Calibanibal posted:PLEASe do not punch nazis as i am deathly afraid of punches!!! thank you!!!
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Jan 30, 2017 04:22
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Ytlaya posted:Yeah just like all those other times throughout history that people attacking fascists has lead to either societal collapse or the fascists taking power faster (though I guess you could argue societal collapse is sometimes better than fascists taking power)! The much analyzed Battle of Cable street here in this very thread shows such an example, where violence against fascists in the streets not only was ineffective, but counterproductive, with membership of the British Union of Fascists climbing by over 2000 after the event. Obviously the war put a stop to the activities of the BUF, that's why they disappeared in the years of the war and after. http://www.historytoday.com/daniel-tilles/myth-cable-street My main objection to not allowing people to be punched in the street for being a Nazi follow from this simple principle: If we make it acceptable to punch Nazis, people will slowly start to justify punching their political opponents for non-Nazi related opinions. If we allow this sentiment to grow unchecked, it will deal great damage to the fabric of society. I personally benefit from this stability, as I enjoy discussing contentious opinions with people and don't want to fear being attacked at any point for my opinions. What kind of society will we have if we are only free to talk about non-controversial issues? Not one where we benefit, that's for sure. This is a wet dream of the elites, they don't have to police the population at all, they can just depend on them beating each other over their opinions while they remain in power. If it comes down to the need of them intervening directly, they will have full justification to go after anyone they want for contentious opinions, whether they are real or just made up. It is absolutely critical to not let them have this power, for the good of everyone.
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Jan 30, 2017 04:22
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:i'm saying that i haven't seen any convincing indicators that they will, other than if you scream trump or something, which i don't really sign onto as an indicator of impending fascism or genocide despite joking about it continually in the months leading up to the election extry extry! person who buries head in sand sees and hears nothing!
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Jan 30, 2017 04:22
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Pseudo-God posted:The much analyzed Battle of Cable street here in this very thread shows such an example, where violence against fascists in the streets not only was ineffective, but counterproductive, with membership of the British Union of Fascists climbing by over 2000 after the event. Obviously the war put a stop to the activities of the BUF, that's why they disappeared in the years of the war and after. could you please explain by what you meant about Jewish bankers
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Jan 30, 2017 04:22
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Pseudo-God posted:The much analyzed Battle of Cable street here in this very thread shows such an example, where violence against fascists in the streets not only was ineffective, but counterproductive, with membership of the British Union of Fascists climbing by over 2000 after the event. Obviously the war put a stop to the activities of the BUF, that's why they disappeared in the years of the war and after. careful man, someone's going to mockingly accuse you of using a "slippery slope" argument and maybe even suggest you're autistic
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Jan 30, 2017 04:23
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:i'm saying that i haven't seen any convincing indicators that they will, other than if you scream trump or something, which i don't really sign onto as an indicator of impending fascism or genocide despite joking about it continually in the months leading up to the election There was this little thing called World War II that maybe you've heard of? It's a doctrine that fundamentally revolves around categorical oppression and mass murder, Hitler (you know, THAT GUY) crushed his opposition with assassination and seized power, and you think they should just get unlimited time and do-overs until they actually are in control? What?
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Jan 30, 2017 04:24
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Flesh Forge posted:There was this little thing called World War II that maybe you've heard of? i went over that before man, the world and ~the culture~ changed at least in my view basically the way i see it is people are still lovely but less lovely than they used to be, like violently lovely, in the grand scheme of things Pittsburgh Lambic fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Jan 30, 2017 |
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Jan 30, 2017 04:26
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Turns out the polio vaccine was really a retrovirus that fundamentally and permanently altered the human genome such that we tolerate atrocities just a little less, which happens to be barely enough to stop another Holocaust from ever happening.
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Jan 30, 2017 04:31
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stone cold posted:could you elucidate on what you mean about opinions on "Jewish bankers," by the way, friend A non-Nazi, non-genocidal, non-hateful, but still racist person might make a statement such as "Man those Jews control everyone through the banks and hold the globe in power with the power of debt", and get marked for violence. Why do I feel as if you are looking for an opinion of mine to grab, as if you want to say "Aha, gotcha! I knew you were a Nazi, that's why you are defending them!". Why can't you get that by defending a universal principle, you make everyone better off, including yourself.
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Pittsburgh Lambic posted:i went over that before man, the world and ~the culture~ changed at least in my view Your view (that nazi organization is on the decline or not gaining traction) is provably really wrong though. Like, super wrong. I mean, here's one pretty loud and clear example: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/dec/01/stop-fascism-becoming-word-of-the-year-urges-us-dictionary "People are too nice to get into fascism these days guys" ahahahaha
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