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The Kingfish posted:Not that this scenario would ever actually happen, but why should I give a gently caress about his culture??
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could someone please work up a short list of the unproblematic clothes, foods, and music white people are allowed to consume
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Rickshaw posted:could someone please work up a short list of the unproblematic clothes, foods, and music white people are allowed to consume sure here it is
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Rickshaw posted:could someone please work up a short list of the unproblematic clothes, foods, and music white people are allowed to consume
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While passing out flyers at Malcolm X plaza, I saw a white male approaching with dreads. Triggered, I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDlQ4H0Kdg8
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Sorgrid posted:While passing out flyers at Malcolm X plaza, I saw a white male approaching with dreads. Triggered, I I forgot what his mannerisms were like. She should have dunked him in the trash.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I forgot what his mannerisms were like. She should have dunked him in the trash. The whole thing makes me cringe hard. gently caress this gay earth
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# ? Jan 30, 2017 00:13 |
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it's so much easier and accurate to call a white guy in dreadlocks "rear end in a top hat." why didn't she just do that
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Patrick Spens posted:Are you under the impression that Chinese immigrants to America aren't American? Because that's bullshit. they're chinese-american yes, they are American, but they also have a Chinese heritage that isn't shared with rando white people Rickshaw posted:could someone please work up a short list of the unproblematic clothes, foods, and music white people are allowed to consume eat whatever the gently caress you want, just don't be a dumb rear end in a top hat about it
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# ? Jan 30, 2017 01:21 |
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How can one be dumb rear end in a top hat about what they eat. Unless they are as a whole a dumb rear end in a top hat?
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Crowsbeak posted:How can one be dumb rear end in a top hat about what they eat. Unless they are as a whole a dumb rear end in a top hat?
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no one has the slightest idea what is and isn’t cultural appropriation Posted on 1 December 2016 by Freddie The noble purpose of moral critiques is to try and inspire better behavior. The destructive purpose of moral critiques is to elevate the person making them in relation to those being critiqued – “you are bad and I am good and saying so gives me power over you.” Most of the time, I sincerely believe people are operating based on the first purpose, even when I disagree with them about what right behavior entails. But I have never encountered an argument about cultural appropriation that does not fall squarely in the second group. Not once. Read this complaint (in Cosmopolitan, which is funny a number of levels) [update: memory holed] about how a Nepalese woman being inspired by other cultures for Victoria’s Secret is an act of shameful cultural appropriation. Then let’s ask ourselves: what vision of better, alternative behavior does the writer suggest? If this is indeed cultural appropriation, what would righteous inspiration from other cultures look like? In other words, what would it take to get to a place where you don’t get the righteous satisfaction (and clicks) of finding other people below your moral standards, but where people are no longer guilty of the behavior you say is immoral? I think anyone who complains about cultural appropriation who actually cares about getting to a more just world, as opposed to getting the personal, social, and career benefits of sitting in judgment, has to answer these basic questions.
These are not trick questions. They’re not a joke. I’m not asking them rhetorically. I’m asking for actual answers, for a simple reason: if cultural appropriation is an immoral behavior that should be stopped, then it’s the duty of people saying so to articulate a positive vision of how to avoid that bad behavior. I’ve never heard such a thing, and I’ve looked really hard. I’ve asked some of these questions many times, of the people who complain about cultural appropriation. The answers I’ve gotten haven’t just been unsatisfying or unconvincing. They have been flatly contradictory. In other words, many people in the progressive world now complain about cultural appropriation, but almost none of them agree on what exactly it is, when and where it happens, who is guilty of it, what a world without it would look like, and how we can avoid it without living in a bankrupt, sclerotic, impossibly sad world without mutual cultural inspiration. The people who are always on the lookout for cultural appropriation, most likely, won’t attempt to answer these questions. My experience suggests instead that they will roll their eyes, dismiss them, and act as though the answers to them are settled and obvious, even though different people within that group so often answer them in flatly contradictory ways. That’s because there’s no there there. There’s no bedrock to this moral complaint. There’s no coherent theory of cultural appropriation that can include all or most of the times that these claims are made that does not necessarily indict the people making the charge. No one will rise to this challenge. They can’t do it, and their attempts to do so will stand in direct and explicit contradiction with other people’s attempts. You want a rule? Don’t mimic or perform being a type of person that you intend others to recognize as such, especially when that involves exaggeration or when intended to inspire contempt or humor. That is a rule about people, not a rule about culture. If you are knowingly attempting to look or act like a member of a group that others would recognize – if the point is to be recognized as doing so – then you are already guilty. That has nothing to do with cultural borrowing. It has to do with the mutual recognition of you and the people you are dressing up for that you are intentionally adopting another group as a role, costume, or similar. So no blackface, no Mexican “costumes” on Cinco de Mayo, no wearing a Native American headdress, no “talking ghetto.” If you intend to be seen as part of a group that you know you would not naturally be perceived as part of being, then it’s wrong. It’s not complicated. You want to put a flower motif on your lingerie that is inspired by Japanese artwork? Go for it. Because no one – no one – can articulate a plausible, comprehensive vision of a world where you’re not allowed to do so.
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at work we have two drinking fountains and I've demanded that one be for whites only and the other be for coloreds only not because I'm trying to make a political statement but because I'm the only minority in the office and I want my own fountain that I don't have to share
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# ? Jan 30, 2017 05:26 |
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the trump tutelage posted:no one has the slightest idea what is and isn’t cultural appropriation what like this writer? i agree
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Sorgrid posted:While passing out flyers at Malcolm X plaza, I saw a white male approaching with dreads. Triggered, I
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Way to stick it to the 100lbs hippie vegan white dudes that wear dreads, that's definitely a productive political target after 46℅ of the country voted for Trump.
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the trump tutelage posted:no one has the slightest idea what is and isn’t cultural appropriation
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# ? Jan 30, 2017 08:59 |
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if anyone's actually looking to read more of the guy who wrote that he has his own blog
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# ? Jan 30, 2017 10:40 |
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Freddie posted:a good caremad repost I think that it's really simpler than all of this. Politicians have attempted to instrumentalize identity studies in general but it effectively turned into another social wedge, approved by bigots from both sides of the political spectrum. The endgame is the (re)appropriation of the identitarian discourse by the hard right, increasingly difficult intersectionality of the struggles (for the left, at least) and radicalization. Reminds me of my milquetoast liberal friends who oppose gentrification not because how it negatively affects the living conditions of the poor living in those neigborhoods but because "minorities have the right to THEIR own neighborhoods", or believe it's okay to have political meetings that bar the entry to males or whites
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That sort of leads into the discussion of "are safe spaces a good idea", with the answer over time turning out to be "loving nope" - for every dickhead you block from disrupting your space, you give a dickhead inside that space free reign on their bullshit, because calling them on that bullshit means threatening to be ejected. So the problem they exist to counter is real, but the cure itself introduces its own problems. But the issue then is 'okay, but does that mean we're back to square one, where it comes to there being no space where oppressed people can talk and organize openly?', with my reply being 'I hope not'. Can reasonable norms be enforced without corruption talking root? Can security be guaranteed without relying on identity profiling? My hypothesis is: yes, but not without a structured, systems-based approach.
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tag youre fat posted:if anyone's actually looking to read more of the guy who wrote that he has his own blog This is a rather good blog btw.
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# ? Jan 30, 2017 14:56 |
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oh its freddy deboer i thought i smelled wet diaper
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Crowsbeak posted:How can one be dumb rear end in a top hat about what they eat. Unless they are as a whole a dumb rear end in a top hat? racists find a way
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# ? Jan 30, 2017 15:34 |
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freddie deboer isnt so much a man as he is harlan hill's enchanted talking bowtie
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# ? Jan 30, 2017 15:40 |
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freddie deboer cant get life insurance because the actuarial stables show hes got a 50/50 chance of dying in the next two years from jumping in front of a nazi to protect him from a flying punch
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# ? Jan 30, 2017 15:41 |
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if you want to meet fredde deboer in your dreams, whisper "bernie would have won" unironically into your pillow three times and drink an entire bottle of codliver oil
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# ? Jan 30, 2017 15:44 |
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freddie deboer lives in a literal ivory tower, as in made from elephant tusks but dont ask him whether theyre from african or asian elephants because he gets really sensitive about cultural appropriation
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# ? Jan 30, 2017 15:49 |
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anyone who legitimately cares about cultural appropriation should probably kill themselves imo
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# ? Jan 30, 2017 15:52 |
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the superhero origin story that turned fdb into the identity politickin' culture warrin' pissbaby he is today is when a white kid and a black kid came together to make fun of his spangled toby keith concert souvenir blouse (they only had girl's sizes left)
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# ? Jan 30, 2017 15:55 |
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fdb coined and is the only one who unironically uses the term "reverse transphobia" which he explains on the first day of class every semester to a room full of bored teens and one very excited Internet Guy
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# ? Jan 30, 2017 16:01 |
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old dirty deboer has a dartboard with malxom x's picture on it in his cramped adjunct's quarters but dont worry, youre going to get the long form version of why its Actually Not Racist and philosophically consistent with his leftism whether you like it or not
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# ? Jan 30, 2017 16:14 |
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after a particularly heated debate with the egg xXx_BlackDiamond_xXx over whether the new yorker's use of the umlaut over the i in naïve is the real cultural appropriation, freddie deboer swerved to hit a black child in a crosswalk while screaming "is this what you want, liberals?!?!?!?" (Incidentally he was never charged because the police determined that the child could have theoretically been carrying a weapon)
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# ? Jan 30, 2017 16:24 |
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shut the gently caress up Al!
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# ? Jan 30, 2017 16:34 |
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you know a joke is really good, when you have to say it 8 times
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# ? Jan 30, 2017 16:39 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:shut the gently caress up Al! you down with fdb? Nah, you know me i find the left wing version if identity politics so tiresome id rather watch a 24 hour marathon of hillary clinton's fight song intercut with youtube clips of a white 20 year old girl with a tumblr read through a dictionary and explain which of the words are racist
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Al! posted:you down with fdb? Nah, you know me i find the left wing version if identity politics so tiresome id rather watch a 24 hour marathon of hillary clinton's fight song intercut with youtube clips of a white 20 year old girl with a tumblr read through a dictionary and explain which of the words are racist use the dang edit button Al!
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# ? Jan 30, 2017 16:44 |
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this morning i asked my scrying pool to see the source of the economic anxiety meme and was instantly taken to an alpine steam where there, carved into the living rock, was the name freddie deboer
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# ? Jan 30, 2017 16:44 |
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that last one isnt really a joke, hes the first and only person i ever remember seeing using the term "economic anxiety" unironically ok im done now you can go back to your serious and productive discussion about whether dipping radishes in mayo constitutes a grave insult to people of mexican-american heritage or whether believing that is the greatest obstacle to the rise of global economic justice or whatever
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no no, by all means, keep going
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