EU Politics: I miss Renaults(don't make fun of me)

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Toplowtech: Aug 31, 2004

Lord of the Llamas posted:

Interesting new poll numbers. No prior Kanta Sofres poll to compare it to but suggests Hamon getting a big bounce to the point of viability if Melenchon supporters switch. Looks like Fillon might be hurting a bit from the scandal and this poll was taken before the further allegations came out?

Fillon, was around 25-28% at the start of the month and Hamon was at 8% in most post primary guess.

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DarkCrawler: Apr 6, 2009; by vyelkin

Baron Corbyn posted:

lmao if France ends up being the place where the tide turns against the rise of fascism.

These days my answer to any political prediction is "Sure, why not?"

# ? Jan 30, 2017 17:08

Deltasquid: Apr 10, 2013; awww...
you guys made me ink!

THUNDERDOME

France, seeing the Americans and Brits veer toward fascism, decide that being a fascist is decidedly un-French. Chauvinism will save us all.

# ? Jan 30, 2017 17:12

Freezer: Apr 20, 2001; The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.

You joke, but I know a few French people who would gladly rebuke fascism just to avoid being identified in the Brit/US team.

# ? Jan 30, 2017 17:21

Deltasquid: Apr 10, 2013; awww...
you guys made me ink!

THUNDERDOME

I wasn't joking.

# ? Jan 30, 2017 17:23

Blut: Sep 11, 2009; if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine

If it turned into a Hamon vs Le Pen run-off France would stand a very good chance of having an actual left wing president. That would be amazing.

The left just needs to stop splintering its vote and coalescence around one candidate to beat Fillon and Macron. Some hope of that though I guess. Instead with Melenchon splitting the vote it'll probably just end up as Fillon in power.

# ? Jan 30, 2017 18:13

Doctor Malaver: May 23, 2007; Ce qui s'est pass� t'a rendu plus fort

Can somebody make an alignment chart and place all these similar-sounding French politicians on it?

Putting Landerig in the center is optional.

# ? Jan 30, 2017 21:29

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

Doctor Malaver posted:

Can somebody make an alignment chart and place all these similar-sounding French politicians on it?

Putting Landerig in the center is optional.

Landerig is chaotic neutral. :rolleyes:

# ? Jan 30, 2017 21:34

icantfindaname: Jul 1, 2008

mitterand should have blown up the Euro when he had the chance. also NATO

Doctor Malaver posted:

Can somebody make an alignment chart and place all these similar-sounding French politicians on it?

Putting Landerig in the center is optional.

left to right

melenchon - hamon - valls/macron - (juppe) - fillon - le pen

# ? Jan 30, 2017 21:35

GaussianCopula: Jun 5, 2011; Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

icantfindaname posted:

mitterand should have not forced the the Euro on Germany when he had the chance.

ftfy

# ? Jan 30, 2017 21:53

Flowers For Algeria: Dec 3, 2005; I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.

IMO there is literally zero chance that M�lenchon rallies behind Hamon, simply because M�lenchon's whole shtick is not "I have the prople behind me", but rather "The people are together behind an agreed-upon, democratically written programme". And since Hamon is not going to suddenly adopt La Franc Insoumise's programme, he can't lead the movement. And even if he did, there'd be huge issues of trust. He is, after all, a member of the PS.

# ? Jan 30, 2017 22:36

YF-23: Feb 17, 2011; My god, it's full of cat!

Blut posted:

If it turned into a Hamon vs Le Pen run-off France would stand a very good chance of having an actual left wing president. That would be amazing.

The left just needs to stop splintering its vote and coalescence around one candidate to beat Fillon and Macron. Some hope of that though I guess. Instead with Melenchon splitting the vote it'll probably just end up as Fillon in power.

It's not Melenchon splitting the vote though, it's Macron. He's the one who'd be pulling the neoliberal social democrats away from their party.

# ? Jan 31, 2017 01:02

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

https://twitter.com/vmedick/status/826115769272512512

# ? Jan 31, 2017 01:21

WAR CRIME GIGOLO: Oct 3, 2012; The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

LemonDrizzle posted:

https://twitter.com/vmedick/status/826115769272512512

pollsters

# ? Jan 31, 2017 02:53

9-Volt Assault: Jan 27, 2007; Beter twee tetten in de hand dan tien op de vlucht.

GaussianCopula posted:

ftfy

Well Germany could have just said no but clearly the German people elected terrible politicians so now they gotta deal with it.

# ? Jan 31, 2017 08:29

Lord of the Llamas: Jul 9, 2002; EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

LeoMarr posted:

pollsters

People need to stop making GBS threads on polls because they and most of the commentariat are statistically illiterate.

# ? Jan 31, 2017 09:59

Dead Cosmonaut: Nov 14, 2015; by FactsAreUseless

Baron Corbyn posted:

lmao if France ends up being the place where the tide turns against the rise of fascism.

wouldn�t be the first time

# ? Jan 31, 2017 11:40

suck my woke dick: Oct 10, 2012; I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Dead Cosmonaut posted:

wouldn�t be the first time

*collaborates*

# ? Jan 31, 2017 12:05

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/31/francois-fillons-office-french-parliament-raided-investigators/

quote:

Investigators are carrying out a search in the lower house of the French parliament in connection with a probe into claims that presidential candidate Francois Fillon paid his wife half a million euros to "do nothing" in a fictitious job role.
The raid was not carried out in Mr Fillon's office, according to a Reuters reporter who was at the scene.
It comes after Mr Fillon and his British wife Penelope were questioned separately on Monday over allegations she was paid �500,000 (�426,000) for a job as his parliamentary assistant while in fact steering clear of his political activities.
The couple, who appeared on Sunday at a mass Paris rally to kick start his faltering presidential campaign, were questioned by financial fraud officers in Nanterre, west of Paris.

# ? Jan 31, 2017 13:08

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Dead Cosmonaut posted:

wouldn�t be the first time

It'd.

# ? Jan 31, 2017 13:09

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Also, Trump's probable ambassador to the EU wants to bring it down, and his top trade adviser is claiming that Germany uses the Euro to artificially depress its currency: https://www.ft.com/content/57f104d2-e742-11e6-893c-082c54a7f539

quote:

Germany is using a �grossly undervalued� euro to �exploit� the US and its EU partners, Donald Trump�s top trade adviser has said in comments that are likely to trigger alarm in Europe�s largest economy.
Peter Navarro, the head of Mr Trump�s new National Trade Council, told the Financial Times the euro was like an �implicit Deutsche Mark� whose low valuation gave Germany an advantage over its main trading partners. His views suggest the new administration is focusing on currency as part of its hard-charging approach on trade ties.
In a departure from past US policy, Mr Navarro also called Germany one of the main hurdles to an American trade deal with the EU and declared talks with the bloc over a US-EU agreement, known as the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership, dead.
The Trump administration has publicly declared it prefers bilateral trade deals rather than the broad multilateral accords pursued by Barack Obama, Mr Trump�s predecessor.
�A big obstacle to viewing TTIP as a bilateral deal is Germany, which continues to exploit other countries in the EU as well as the US with an �implicit Deutsche Mark� that is grossly undervalued,� Mr Navarro said. �The German structural imbalance in trade with the rest of the EU and the US underscores the economic heterogeneity [diversity] within the EU � ergo, this is a multilateral deal in bilateral dress.�
Germany�s large trade surplus with the US and much of the eurozone has been a point of friction in Brussels and Washington for several years, with both capitals calling for Berlin to increase stimulate domestic demand to rebalance its economy.
Critics have argued Berlin has disproportionally benefited from weakness in the rest of the eurozone, which has held the euro lower than other regional currencies, like the Swiss Franc, making German exports cheaper in overseas markets like China and the US.
Despite those differences, most debate over German economic policy during the Obama administration was cloaked in diplomatic language; Mr Navarro�s comments highlight a growing willingness by the Trump administration to antagonise EU leaders and particularly Angela Merkel, the German chancellor.

# ? Jan 31, 2017 13:13

His Divine Shadow: Aug 7, 2000; I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

LemonDrizzle posted:

and his top trade adviser is claiming that Germany uses the Euro to artificially depress its currency:

Broken clock etc.

# ? Jan 31, 2017 13:19

MiddleOne: Feb 17, 2011

LemonDrizzle posted:

Also, Trump's probable ambassador to the EU wants to bring it down, and his top trade adviser is claiming that Germany uses the Euro to artificially depress its currency: https://www.ft.com/content/57f104d2-e742-11e6-893c-082c54a7f539

That's not a claim, that's an objective fact.

# ? Jan 31, 2017 13:22

throw to first DAMN IT: Apr 10, 2007; This whole thread has been raging at the people who don't want Saracen invasion to their homes

Perhaps you too should be more accepting of their cultures

LemonDrizzle posted:

Germany uses the Euro to artificially depress its currency: https://www.ft.com/content/57f104d2-e742-11e6-893c-082c54a7f539

I thought this was well known fact. :confused:

# ? Jan 31, 2017 13:22

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

LemonDrizzle posted:

https://twitter.com/vmedick/status/826115769272512512

Yeah, I think the Russian government would be perfectly happy with Schultz as chancellor.

# ? Jan 31, 2017 14:15

GaussianCopula: Jun 5, 2011; Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.

throw to first drat IT posted:

I thought this was well known fact.

How exactly does Germany manipulate the Euro to be weaker?

oh right, they are the driving force behind the QE and negative interest rate policy enacted by the ECB.

Wait a second.

Maybe that's just alternative facts?

# ? Jan 31, 2017 14:55

lollontee: Nov 4, 2014; Can't post for 10 years!

GaussianCopula posted:

How exactly does Germany manipulate the Euro to be weaker?

oh right, they are the driving force behind the QE and negative interest rate policy enacted by the ECB.

Wait a second.

Maybe that's just alternative facts?

Reading Mark Blyth's Austerity will answer all these questions for you! Cheers!

# ? Jan 31, 2017 15:42

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

Turns out Mme Fillon got another �400k+ of dodgy payments on top of the �500k already reported

https://twitter.com/canardenchaine/status/826458634154606593

gonna be very interesting if Fillon is forced to withdraw, especially since Jupp� has said he wouldn't step in under such circumstances and Sarkozy's so unpopular

LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Jan 31, 2017

# ? Jan 31, 2017 17:13

unpacked robinhood: Feb 18, 2013; by Fluffdaddy

LemonDrizzle posted:

Turns out Mme Fillon got another €400k+ of dodgy payments on top of the €500k already reported

https://twitter.com/canardenchaine/status/826458634154606593

gonna be very interesting if Fillon is forced to withdraw, especially since Jupp� has said he wouldn't step in under such circumstances and Sarkozy's so unpopular

About the 84000 fot the kids

# ? Jan 31, 2017 17:17

Blut: Sep 11, 2009; if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine

Excellent news. Hopefully Sarkozy becomes their candidate of last resort and he bombs badly.

# ? Jan 31, 2017 17:22

Cat Mattress: Jul 14, 2012; by Cyrano4747

Blut posted:

Excellent news. Hopefully Sarkozy becomes their candidate of last resort and he

goes to jail next because seriously why isn't he in jail already

# ? Jan 31, 2017 17:33

unpacked robinhood: Feb 18, 2013; by Fluffdaddy

Cat Mattress posted:

goes to jail next because seriously why isn't he in jail already

Together with the Tapie and the Balkanys and all those fucko parasites who always escape punishment yes, one can dream

# ? Jan 31, 2017 17:39

Sneaks McDevious: Jul 29, 2010; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Wish Ireland had something as brave as Le Canard Encha�n�. The Ph�nix takes gentle pokes at politicians but doesn't wreck things like this.

# ? Jan 31, 2017 17:48

WAR CRIME GIGOLO: Oct 3, 2012; The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

So when Fillon or Sarkozy runs La Pen will just utilize the recent flavor of "Jail sarkozy" or Crooked fillon" to raise a million man March agaims them.

# ? Jan 31, 2017 18:19

Sneaks McDevious: Jul 29, 2010; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

No chance Sarkozy will come back

# ? Jan 31, 2017 18:42

throw to first DAMN IT: Apr 10, 2007; This whole thread has been raging at the people who don't want Saracen invasion to their homes

Perhaps you too should be more accepting of their cultures

I wish they jailed all french politicians.

# ? Jan 31, 2017 18:54

Pinch Me Im Meming: Jun 26, 2005

throw to first drat IT posted:

I wish they jailed all french politicians.

You and me both.

# ? Jan 31, 2017 20:13

ElNarez: Nov 4, 2009

LemonDrizzle posted:

gonna be very interesting if Fillon is forced to withdraw, especially since Jupp� has said he wouldn't step in under such circumstances and Sarkozy's so unpopular

He will not, not just because he's a rat bastard, but because the French justice system doesn't work fast enough for a definitive decision to be made by the start of the campaign. He said he'd withdraw because that's what you do in those circumstances, but he knows he won't have to.

# ? Jan 31, 2017 20:22

Flowers For Algeria: Dec 3, 2005; I humbly offer my services as forum inquisitor. There is absolutely no way I would abuse this power in any way.

ElNarez posted:

He will not, not just because he's a rat bastard, but because the French justice system doesn't work fast enough for a definitive decision to be made by the start of the campaign. He said he'd withdraw because that's what you do in those circumstances, but he knows he won't have to.

Maybe, but the case is building pretty fast so there's a chance that an indictment might actually come soon.

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Squalid: Nov 4, 2008

Is it just me or do all these candidates seem like they walked straight off the set of The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie?

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