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Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


I don't wanna take this to the Hannibal thread because they're probably just gonna try to sell me on the show, but does the writing in this show ever, uh... improve? I'm very early on, and I'm wondering if it's one of those shows that takes a few episodes to find its footing or if I have to just accept the writing in order to enjoy the acting and directing.

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Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

What is it you don't like?

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


The comical over-the-top methods and pathology of the killers, the obviousness of the dialogue, the ridiculous attempts to ratchet up tension, everything about the wacky jaded coroner team.

Snak
Oct 10, 2005

I myself will carry you to the Gates of Valhalla...
You will ride eternal,
shiny and chrome.
Grimey Drawer
I think that it takes a minute to, not exactly find its footing, but establish what its doing.

In other news, I'm rewatching 12 Monkeys, and season 1 is not good. I must have been drunk when I watched this the first time. Very disappointing.

Edit: the pathology and methods will only get more insane. I made a post a long time ago that hannibal takes place in an alternate universe where serial killers are an epidemic, and psychology is literally magic.

Snak fucked around with this message at 12:15 on Jan 30, 2017

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


I've watched and enjoyed much dumber shows, I just want to know where I should set my expectations is all.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

The coroner team sticks around a little longer and the killings become even more ridiculous.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
The "wacky arty killer of the week" thing and general procedural elements get less prevalent but I feel like you do have to get used to a general level of high camp.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


No! I love procedural elements! :(

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

That is completely gone by season 3

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
It goes pretty much full pretentious but I personally loved it and feel the writing improves enough by s2 to back it up

whowhatwhere
Mar 15, 2010

SHINee's back

Lurdiak posted:

The comical over-the-top methods and pathology of the killers, the obviousness of the dialogue, the ridiculous attempts to ratchet up tension, everything about the wacky jaded coroner team.

Bryan Fuller posted:

Every director who comes to the show gets the same lecture. We are not making television. We are making a pretentious art film from the 80s.
I think it nails that perfectly. I hated the "let's make the subtext text, then bold it, then UNDERLINE IT AND ADD EXCLAMATION MARKS!!!!!" stuff too until I realized that was (part of) the joke.

whowhatwhere fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Jan 30, 2017

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
It's worth watching just for the food porn.

savinhill
Mar 28, 2010
I don't think many people watched the first season, but for those who did, season two of Fortitude just started, and for those who didn't, check it out, it's very good stuff, a Lynchian horror drama set in an isolated Arctic town with some supernatural elements. It has one of the best fight scenes of last year imo, along with the many other things it does well

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

savinhill posted:

I don't think many people watched the first season, but for those who did, season two of Fortitude just started, and for those who didn't, check it out, it's very good stuff, a Lynchian horror drama set in an isolated Arctic town with some supernatural elements. It has one of the best fight scenes of last year imo, along with the many other things it does well

Is that the show with Christopher Eccelston?

Vodos
Jul 17, 2009

And how do we do that? We hurt a lot of people...

savinhill posted:

I don't think many people watched the first season, but for those who did, season two of Fortitude just started, and for those who didn't, check it out, it's very good stuff, a Lynchian horror drama set in an isolated Arctic town with some supernatural elements. It has one of the best fight scenes of last year imo, along with the many other things it does well

Seconding Fortitude, although I wasn't a big fan of the wasp storyline, the setting and atmosphere are very well done.

Vodos fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Jan 30, 2017

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Hey thread, I fuckin love you guys and I love television. My sister gave me her HULU log in so I can watch EVERYTHING now.

Croatoan
Jun 24, 2005

I am inevitable.
ROBBLE GROBBLE
I too liked Twin Peaks starring Archie but the whole statutory rape thing is kind of weird. I mean he's supposed to be what, 15 or 16?

Rocksicles
Oct 19, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo
Check out Agents of Shield, you'll love it.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Croatoan posted:

I too liked Twin Peaks starring Archie but the whole statutory rape thing is kind of weird. I mean he's supposed to be what, 15 or 16?

Supposedly it's going to be a major plot point through the season and the consequences of it will be major.

Croatoan
Jun 24, 2005

I am inevitable.
ROBBLE GROBBLE
They should have kept Ms. Grundy the same age as the comics to make it SUPER weird.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Croatoan posted:

They should have kept Ms. Grundy the same age as the comics to make it SUPER weird.

That would have been way way better.

TV Zombie
Sep 6, 2011

Burying all the trauma from past nights
Burying my anger in the past

Caught up with the Americans and I can't believe I just recently heard about this show last year. It's so good.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Yep. The ratings are horrendously bad but the guy that runs FX loves it so much he renewed it for two final seasons.

Pan Dulce
Jan 4, 2011

Beautiful cinnamon roll too good for this world, too pure



I want to watch the Americans, given the glowing reviews everyone in SA seems to have for it. What would you compare it to, though?

Snak
Oct 10, 2005

I myself will carry you to the Gates of Valhalla...
You will ride eternal,
shiny and chrome.
Grimey Drawer

Pan Dulce posted:

I want to watch the Americans, given the glowing reviews everyone in SA seems to have for it. What would you compare it to, though?

That's a tough one.

It's kind of like Mad Men, in terms of being highly character driven and immersing the story in a particular time period. But it's also something else, and it's hard to think of something off the top of my head. It's really good, watch it.

Speaking of Mad Men, I posted a few months ago about how it wasn't really grabbing me. Well I'm on the final season now, and it's grown on me quite a bit. I think that season 3, 4 and 5 were the best. although I've been binging it so hard a lot of it has blurred together. It definitely feels on a decline, a lot of what's going on with the characters is old hat. This show loves it's resets. But it's come a long way. The best way i can describe it is "immersion" drama. Like the first season and a half was just boring as poo poo. But by the end of season 2, I felt like I'd had enough exposure to the characters to start understanding them as people. This process of just spending time with the characters worked really well.

So far, the funny episodes have been some of my favorites.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
4/5 are my favourite seasons too. They're pretty much good as TV gets imo

Snak
Oct 10, 2005

I myself will carry you to the Gates of Valhalla...
You will ride eternal,
shiny and chrome.
Grimey Drawer

Escobarbarian posted:

4/5 are my favorite seasons too. They're pretty much good as TV gets imo

Yeah, definitely the high point. But I'm looking forward to seeing how things turn out during the final season. Sterling's evolution is the most surprising. A lot of things in this show are somewhat expected. Peggy's one of my favorite characters, but her arc is exactly what I assumed it would be from the beginning of the show.

But seriously, the comedy angle is my favorite poo poo. Everyone always being a dick to Harry Crane. The episode where the entire office gets jacked up on amphetamines. Kinsey showing up after being gone for 2 season just to deliver that infamous script.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
Oh yeah it's absolutely one of the funniest dramas. That fuckin Star Trek script always gets me.

Zaggitz
Jun 18, 2009

My urges are becoming...

UNCONTROLLABLE

Good place got renewed, in case anyone was waiting for confirmation before jumping in. Enjoy an amazing show.

less laughter
May 7, 2012

Accelerock & Roll

savinhill posted:

I don't think many people watched the first season, but for those who did, season two of Fortitude just started, and for those who didn't, check it out, it's very good stuff, a Lynchian horror drama set in an isolated Arctic town with some supernatural elements. It has one of the best fight scenes of last year imo, along with the many other things it does well

Plus, Couch Chat favorite Nathan from Misfits is on it now!

Snak
Oct 10, 2005

I myself will carry you to the Gates of Valhalla...
You will ride eternal,
shiny and chrome.
Grimey Drawer

less laughter posted:

Plus, Couch Chat favorite Nathan from Misfits is on it now!

Is he as funny as he was on Misfits?

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

Pan Dulce posted:

I want to watch the Americans, given the glowing reviews everyone in SA seems to have for it. What would you compare it to, though?

The Man in the High Castle, but way better.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


Pan Dulce posted:

I want to watch the Americans, given the glowing reviews everyone in SA seems to have for it. What would you compare it to, though?
It's arguably the best show on TV. It doesn't need comparisons. :colbert:

Mad Men but spies is apt, as is Man in the High Castle but actually good.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

The only bad thing about The Americans is the one episode where Oliver North gets a writer's credit.

JUICY HAMBUGAR
Nov 10, 2010

Eating, America's pastime.

Norwegian Rudo posted:

Nobody in Canada watched Mary Kills People or Cardinal last week? Both got good reviews pre-premiere. Especially interested in MKP as it stars one of my eternal crushes in Caroline Dhavernas.

Thanks for the Mary Kills People rec, love the Dhavernas too.

Just finished the pilot.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


whowhatwhere posted:

I think it nails that perfectly. I hated the "let's make the subtext text, then bold it, then UNDERLINE IT AND ADD EXCLAMATION MARKS!!!!!" stuff too until I realized that was (part of) the joke.

I'd say it feels more like a pretentious art film from the 80s written by the CSI writer's team. :v:

Spatula City
Oct 21, 2010

LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING

Lurdiak posted:

I'd say it feels more like a pretentious art film from the 80s written by the CSI writer's team. :v:
and you don't like this, why? Nothing about that description sounds bad. it's like an abstract arthouse parody of crime procedurals. :allears:

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
Riverdale is officially loving brilliant, based on the pilot anyway. Loved it.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Spatula City posted:

and you don't like this, why? Nothing about that description sounds bad. it's like an abstract arthouse parody of crime procedurals. :allears:

It just doesn't come across like a parody, is the thing. It comes across as wasted potential. "This is the best we could do."

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MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Almost everything about Hannibal is a wash for me. I just watch it for the mad cannibalism puns Hannibal drops during literally every dinner scene.

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