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Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

El Estrago Bonito posted:

an extremely gross looking weirdo who shows up at protests with a big orthodox cross he made out of plywood and is generally a huge creep.

There's one of those guys who used to come to every single street festival at my old town and dragged his son there too (always dressed up in full boyscout uniform for some goddamn reason) and get on a megaphone and annoy people until the cops made him shuffle down the street.

He made his son hold the giant plywood cross, I assume that's why he brought him.

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Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
Neoreactionaries (or at least Mikey Anissimov) disagree with Dugin,as far as I can tell, as far as Dugin's being a proponent of Eurasianism is concerned.

Grace Baiting
Jul 20, 2012

Audi famam illius;
Cucurrit quaeque
Tetigit destruens.




Tweeter name of STREV is a bad & dumb & whiny devilman??

(also blogger name of SCOTT, A.??? Just droppin' some truthbombs here)

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

No you see that executive order isn't anti-LGBTQ it's pro-FREEDOM. Are YOU against FREEDOM?? :colbert:

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL_vIqMiHK0

Those loving commulists

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
http://bambamramfan.tumblr.com/post/156650476697/marcusseldon-people-nitpicking-the-tactics-and

Good to see that at least some rationalists are able to recognize the irony inherent in the internet right's reaction to Trump.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

Fututor Magnus posted:

http://bambamramfan.tumblr.com/post/156650476697/marcusseldon-people-nitpicking-the-tactics-and

Good to see that at least some rationalists are able to recognize the irony inherent in the internet right's reaction to Trump.

Are they crowing even slightly? I'm actually surprised not to have seen any.

Sax Solo
Feb 18, 2011



Rationalists/lesswrongers aspire to be useful idiots in the culture wars, but I think most of them fail even that.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Fututor Magnus posted:

http://bambamramfan.tumblr.com/post/156650476697/marcusseldon-people-nitpicking-the-tactics-and

Good to see that at least some rationalists are able to recognize the irony inherent in the internet right's reaction to Trump.

He forgot Rev's time honored tactic of "Patiently wait until there's some aspect of the controversy that involves a minor, pedantic, mistake that doesn't actually touch on why anyone is mad, then harp on said minor pedantic mistake as the ultimate proof that the outrage mill is insatiable and no one should be mad because they should have just googled that minor, pedantic mistake"

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

The Vosgian Beast posted:

He forgot Rev's time honored tactic of "Patiently wait until there's some aspect of the controversy that involves a minor, pedantic, mistake that doesn't actually touch on why anyone is mad, then harp on said minor pedantic mistake as the ultimate proof that the outrage mill is insatiable and no one should be mad because they should have just googled that minor, pedantic mistake"

https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/826790675245043712

Not sure, but it's a hard thing to ignore.

E: it's all about enslaving white people

https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/826793663586037760

LMAO
https://twitter.com/LunarArchivist/status/826463997356544001

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Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
You know what, I'm going to stop going down St_Rev's timeline now

https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/826435178247647233

E: Must say, though, I'm not seeing any pedantic screeching about a mistake which proves that progs are getting mad about Trump for no reason. It's mostly his general fears about the "progressive egregore", which is quite telling actually.

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Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010


This but unironically.

Also correct me if i'm wrong but this tweet is him going on about how the left hates disobedience while criticizing literal civil disobedience :ironicat:

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
tfw the part of your mind that wants to oppose the government butts up against the much stronger part of your mind that thinks expressing a normative belief on left-wing grounds is worse than murder

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!
Wes Siler, at Outside magazine, is very good at both survival on the land and writing about doing so. He's written: Everything Wrong with Peter Thiel’s Doomsday Survival Plan: And how you can prepare for the apocalypse better than a billionaire. It's quite amusing.

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012
https://mobile.twitter.com/ClarkHat/status/826893928964165633

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

https://twitter.com/kron4news/status/826979143610880002

Sigh

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012

haha. sweet

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

Clark isn't racist. I know so because he said he isn't.

https://twitter.com/ClarkHat/status/826891975743959040

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug
run Milo! Run! black bloc gonna get ya!

https://twitter.com/thktylr/status/826981075360608256

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012

Fututor Magnus posted:

Clark isn't racist. I know so because he said he isn't.

https://twitter.com/ClarkHat/status/826891975743959040

popehat and clarkhat are the same person i just know it

wish twitter would purge that fuckers account as well

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010


When your supporters shoot a guy trying to de-escalate things that's good freedom-loving free speech tho

Speaking of that everyone should donate to his medical & legal bills right now if you haven't: https://www.crowdrise.com/medical-fundraiser-for-iww-and-gdc-member-shot-in-seattle

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012
https://twitter.com/buddybeatnik/status/826981784973930497

his TL :stare:

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



The funniest thing about rev is he pre-emptively blocked me on twitter despite my only activity being arguing with literal nazis (as in have SS or Himmler in their name). So either I'm on some sort of "dangerous leftist" blockbot list he has subscribed to or he took offense to me saying that the Holocaust happened to a few too many Russian teenagers.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
https://twitter.com/slavojzyzzek/status/825132823954784256

Freelance blogger Wesley Smorgasboard teaches us that there is no homophobia on the alt-right

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

The Vosgian Beast posted:

https://twitter.com/slavojzyzzek/status/825132823954784256

Freelance blogger Wesley Smorgasboard teaches us that there is no homophobia on the alt-right

Well duh, they have a gay friend (Milo) so how can they be homophobic :colbert:

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

The Vosgian Beast posted:

https://twitter.com/slavojzyzzek/status/825132823954784256

Freelance blogger Wesley Smorgasboard teaches us that there is no homophobia on the alt-right

This is a man who literally thinks he turned himself gay through conscious effort because his idol moldbug says that the idea of sexuality being innate is a plot by the progs to destroy white people through identity politics.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

I mean the left did kinda overblow the role of biological determinism during the fight for equality but that wasn't a conspiracy to divide people it was a conspiracy to win over the kind of idiot who thinks that if gay people have any tiny fraction of a percent of a chance of turning un-gay by choice they should be forced to do that instead of just letting them be.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

The Vosgian Beast posted:

https://twitter.com/slavojzyzzek/status/825132823954784256

Freelance blogger Wesley Smorgasboard teaches us that there is no homophobia on the alt-right

Neoreaction being gay af doesn't mean they're not homophobic, they are very much both.

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

ate all the Oreos posted:

I mean the left did kinda overblow the role of biological determinism during the fight for equality but that wasn't a conspiracy to divide people it was a conspiracy to win over the kind of idiot who thinks that if gay people have any tiny fraction of a percent of a chance of turning un-gay by choice they should be forced to do that instead of just letting them be.

And here you have someone trying to prove the left wrong by convincing himself that he can turn himself gay. also proving that the left is the real homophobes because they aren't islamophobic and see there are so many gay racists who hate muslims and love trump.

of course if you've followed wesley for any length of time you'll be aware of his scaremongering regarding the gay plague of aids.

Neon Noodle
Nov 11, 2016

there's nothing wrong here in montana

divabot posted:

Neoreaction being gay af doesn't mean they're not homophobic, they are very much both.

Yeah the OG Nazis were gay as hell

Brutal Garcon
Nov 2, 2014



Computer science guy Scott Aaronson made a post on his blog a couple of days ago complaining about Trump's insane immigrant thing.

Fair enough, but he also asked Trump supporters how they could possibly defend this and... well, read the comments. Some grade-A insanity from the usual suspects.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
At least one of the Scott As is not engaged in digging a hole to the center of the earth ever since Trump got elected

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

The Vosgian Beast posted:

At least one of the Scott As is not engaged in digging a hole to the center of the earth ever since Trump got elected

Perhaps he's just realised what he got into bed with?

sorry, that's that "hope" thing that's had a track record of dismal failure for the past year, isn't it

ahahahaha his first encounter with Jim A. loving Donald

Sax Solo
Feb 18, 2011



Scott Aaronson's not innately horrible, just a secret trans gal, and therefore real bitter about gender.

SSC guy OTOH is actually a horrible status quo meritocrat which is why he finds himself aligned with nazis and jerks it to Trump's cabinet picks.

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
someone just sent me this tumblr rationalist discussion on what to do about trump

http://another-normal-anomaly.tumblr.com/post/156771900974/consequentialism-is-too-hard

E: man, postrats are really showing up with the worst opinions I've seen out of them yet

http://brazenautomaton.tumblr.com/post/156771073924/marcusseldon-isaacsapphire

Fututor Magnus has a new favorite as of 23:47 on Feb 3, 2017

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Fututor Magnus posted:

someone just sent me this tumblr rationalist discussion on what to do about trump

http://another-normal-anomaly.tumblr.com/post/156771900974/consequentialism-is-too-hard

E: man, postrats are really showing up with the worst opinions I've seen out of them yet

http://brazenautomaton.tumblr.com/post/156771073924/marcusseldon-isaacsapphire

The first link seemed fine, but the second link was

Saeku
Sep 22, 2010

Fututor Magnus posted:

E: man, postrats are really showing up with the worst opinions I've seen out of them yet

http://brazenautomaton.tumblr.com/post/156771073924/marcusseldon-isaacsapphire

This guy is convinced that leftists are vicious, hateful, and personally out to cause him suffering. I can understand where that comes from when one of his main interaction points with the world is making ill-thought-out right wing posts on tumblr.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
Oh poo poo I forgot that guy

Yeah step off, that guy's not in his right mind and it's kinda punching down to even talk about him here

Fututor Magnus
Feb 22, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Oh poo poo I forgot that guy

Yeah step off, that guy's not in his right mind and it's kinda punching down to even talk about him here

sure, little of what he's been blogging about for the past days has been based in reality and i'd hate to nurture his paranoia further or be lovely about mental illness in general, but how can you write something like this:

brazenautomaton talking about the left posted:

They don’t want debate. They were never empowered by debate. They never gained anything from debate. Opponents offering them to debate never ever ever helped them ever in the history of ever. When they debate, they lose. Because their ideas are incoherent, just buckets of emotion-vomit being slung about. They cannot stand up to debate.

...and not notice the irony? i know i'm being an rear end in a top hat by pointing this out and probably am punching down to some extent, but brazenautomaton, really, is an extreme case of something that's true of many rationalists and especially postrationalists. they've swallowed whole the concept of the left, and feminazis, and whatever else, as a vindictive alien menace upon them and everyone like them, and that's why, if they're not terribly racist and sexist themselves, they're quite open to racism and sexism around them, and particularly open to defending racists and sexists. the godawful rationalist / postrationalist discourse on recent political goings-on is indicative enough.

i'm too lazy to unpack this further or make a better post, but i think in the hundreds of pages of this thread this point has been made crystal clear. i empathise with brazenautomaton, i really do. i see his overblown rhetoric and reactions to things and i can relate them to my own experiences with mental illness, and that's just made it more clear in my mind that rationalism and postrationalism is just a loving terrible community, or if you will, ~*memespace*~ for anyone like that to be around, let alone in general.

So basically this -

Saeku posted:

This guy is convinced that leftists are vicious, hateful, and personally out to cause him suffering. I can understand where that comes from when one of his main interaction points with the world is making ill-thought-out right wing posts on tumblr.

If I could, I'd pull anyone like brazenautomaton as far away from that general space as possible. Everyone's welcome to a little bit of their own paranoid political delusions, at least if you consider how things are right now. But when you have thoughts like these:

quote:

I don’t even like the right wing! I think Trump is awful and his policies will presage ruin and despair for America! But right-wingers aren’t the ones gloating about how much they want to hurt me, love hurting me, think it is morally good to hurt me, and then say I am not permitted to notice that happening!

there's something very wrong going on, particularly when said person is in an environment that imo is just going to make it worse.

I'm going to make this my last post on brazenautomaton out of respect for him. I know gently caress all about him and nothing I've written above should mean anything to him nor should affect what anyone else concludes about him. If he reads this (and knowing what he thinks of this place, I sincerely hope he never does), I'd want him to know that his thoughts on how the left etc. is persecuting him or spreading lies about him out of contempt for people like him and all that - ignoring the merit or whatever in order to avoid gaslight-y accusations - are, in my sincere belief, hurting him. And I hope he realises that being around people who reinforce these thoughts (i.e. neoreactionaries, MRAs, alt-rightists) may be similarly harmful.

Good luck to him and I hope he finds some peace of mind no matter how or where.

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The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
In which some deeply dodgy theology is engaged in, and MMS's devoted comments section accepts it on his say-so, as they always do

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