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Thoughts on where Archie comics are so far: Archie is still really good, and is easily still the best of the lot. Jughead was just okay before but it's shaped up since issue 6 or 7, and is now pretty funny and charming; among the reboot stuff it's probably the closest to a modernized version of the classic Archie stories. Josie and the Pussycats did well in distinguishing itself from Jem with issue 2, although it hasn't fixed the problem of being a bit too fast paced to give us time to let what's happening sink in. That said, it's still a fun read. Afterlife With Archie, I think, was supposed to have a new issue last month, but it's once again vanished into the aether. The one issue that came out a few millenia ago was still very good though. I'm excited for the Riverdale TV show coming up, though it could go either way--it was created and is being run by AwA's writer, who understands Archie well and knows how to give it a darker edge without losing the characters, but that guy also wrote for Glee and also it's a Greg Berlanti-produced comic book show on the CW.
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I really preferred Zdarsky on Jughead. Ryan North has this really big problem with making everyone really wordy and explaining everything with lots of detail and making sure there's no ambiguity and that you understand everything. This is not too say I dislike it, I just think he had a style that slightly clashes with what I like. This is also an issue I have with Squirrel Girl.
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Argue posted:Thoughts on where Archie comics are so far: I had to look at Wikipedia to see what issue Afterlife was at. Since 2013, there have been ten issues and one and a half arcs. No wonder I've pretty much forgotten about it. I don't really think a Riverdale TV show is going to be worth trashing the Horror line but there must be money in it.
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Endless Mike posted:I really preferred Zdarsky on Jughead. Ryan North has this really big problem with making everyone really wordy and explaining everything with lots of detail and making sure there's no ambiguity and that you understand everything. This is not too say I dislike it, I just think he had a style that slightly clashes with what I like. I think the over-explaining is just part of North's comedic sense, as it's basically the whole joke of Dinosaur Comics. I find his tone much more relateable than Chip's "Hey, this is tenuously like Game Of Thrones, the kids like that, right?" stuff.
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Gaz-L posted:I think the over-explaining is just part of North's comedic sense, as it's basically the whole joke of Dinosaur Comics. I find his tone much more relateable than Chip's "Hey, this is tenuously like Game Of Thrones, the kids like that, right?" stuff. I've also found North's stuff a lot funnier than Zdarsky's was, and the issues feel more substantial when there's not several pages of a fantasy cutaway in the middle.
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Nov 3, 2016 22:18
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Chip's best issues were the last two for that same reason. It all stayed with Jugs, Archie and the Bee in the woods.
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Sonic Mega Drive: Next Level is phenomenal. Everyone should grab it and read it.
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SonicRulez posted:Sonic Mega Drive: Next Level is phenomenal. Everyone should grab it and read it. 
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Is Chilling Tales of Sabrina still running? That was such a good read for the first TPB.
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It is, but it's also being written by Sacasa, so surprise surprise, issues come out seemingly even less frequently than AwA.
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Nov 5, 2016 13:01
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Argue posted:It is, but it's also being written by Sacasa, so surprise surprise, issues come out seemingly even less frequently than AwA. Great. Maybe in two years there will be enough for me to sit down and read.
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Nov 5, 2016 13:58
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Is the art by Tyson Hesse?
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Cloks posted:Is the art by Tyson Hesse? Ya
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EndlessRagdoll posted:Is Chilling Tales of Sabrina still running? That was such a good read for the first TPB. Argue posted:It is, but it's also being written by Sacasa, so surprise surprise, issues come out seemingly even less frequently than AwA. EndlessRagdoll posted:Great. Maybe in two years there will be enough for me to sit down and read. Yeah, I'm a bit worried that they hosed the line because they couldn't get through a few storylines before going into '90s Image delay patterns. I finally realized I had Issues #9 and #10 of AWA on hand and read through them last night, and I think I might just wait until they decide how to end the recent storyline. I think the Pussycats as vampires is overegging the pudding a bit. While I like how they worked Cthulhu into the whole bit by making Sabrina his bride (which I had to be reminded about in the summary page which is a bit rough because it's been a year or so), it looks like they're losing faith in the zombie aspect and simply throwing out more outre poo poo instead of dealing with the matter at hand. We already have Reggie showing that he's going to betray the Riverdale survivors. We're not even two storylines into this and they're throwing out a filler issue with Josie and the Pussycats being vampires which really seems to be a whole other comic series, honestly. It's not like we're dealing with a big continuity here with Afterlife and Chilling Adventures, honestly. We could very well have another continuity with vampires and the like! It's a good idea that seems to be hammered into Afterlife because they needed an issue out and why not just toss another part into this slow moving 'Betty R.I.P.' arc that just seems to dilute it. I'm probably overreacting but it's such a drat shame that they're ruining what could be a great series because they need to get a TV show off the ground. It seems a waste, just like delaying this series is. Okay, grumble over. I'll be waiting for Issue #11 and seeing if I can find all of my issues of Sabrina to catch up on that.
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I like that. Reminds me of the old Mario comics from the early Nintendo Power magazines.
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The new issue of Betty and Veronica fixed basically all the issues I had with it, but I do think it remains the weakest entry in nuArchie. Hot Dog only had a few lines instead of huge swaths of text, and Betty and Veronica and their interactions actually took center stage, unlike the first issue, where they were barely in their own comic. Plus, there seems to have been a very conscious effort to actually avoid forcing cheesecake shots where there were some clear opportunities to do so. Unfortunately, the story itself isn't that interesting, but I'm appeased enough to continue buying it for now. The Reggie comic comes out December 7, and you can color me generally uninterested but god help me I'll be buying the first issue anyway.
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Reggie's where I draw the line. If they launch a new Cheryl book, I'm there, but Reggie, bleh.
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Just catching up on 8 weeks of books: Betty & Veronica is fine, but it's jarring seeing Ronnie being this unrepentant bitch in that book when the current arc in Archie is about how she's NOT that person. I could do without the framing device as well, but at least Hughes showed some restraint and the most you saw of Cheryl at the car wash was her foot. Jughead has a slight issue that Sabrina lapsed into Squirrel Girl's voice a few times, but otherwise it was sweet and funny in the way that I'd come to expect from Ryan North, and even paid off that dumb spy school arc from Zdarsky's run. Archie continues to be one of the most purely enjoyable comics I get. Something about how Waid shades these characters just works, and the Zack Morris/Ferris Bueller monologuing (and Jughead's footnotes) work much better than the other metatextual breaks that the other titles have done. Speaking of... Josie is good fun, WHEN Bennet just tells the story she's telling. The constant breaks with the narrative to highlight what cliches or techniques she's totally not using you guys are maddening. I'd be OK if it was one panel here or there, but she did the same thing in Bombshells where it goes on for 2-3 pages at a time. I'm genuinely looking forward to Batwoman from her because I doubt the Bat-office editor at DC would let that fly.
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Gaz-L posted:Josie is good fun, WHEN Bennet just tells the story she's telling. The constant breaks with the narrative to highlight what cliches or techniques she's totally not using you guys are maddening. I'd be OK if it was one panel here or there, but she did the same thing in Bombshells where it goes on for 2-3 pages at a time. I'm genuinely looking forward to Batwoman from her because I doubt the Bat-office editor at DC would let that fly. Now that you mention it, I can't unsee that. Something was bothering me about it and I think that might be it. That also happens in this week's issue, slightly. Reggie #1 was okay. Nothing remarkable, but as it's apparently just a five issue miniseries, I'll be fine with picking the rest of it up. That said, between Reggie and B&V, I could do with two fewer dog narrators (although if I had to pick, I'd say Reggie's dog was the better narrator). The bigger news this week is that the Tiny Titans creative team is going to be doing a Little Archie book. Little Archie was actually a bit more serious than Tiny Titans, but all in all I think the team is a good fit; I hope it follows in the footsteps of Bob Bolling's Little Archie stories, which ranged from grounded stories about being kids to some really off the wall but fun adventures involving Archie beating Mad Doctor Doom (yes, Archie has a character named Doctor Doom, invented at roughly the same time as Doctor Doom so Marvel and Archie don't bother each other about it), who's basically an evil time travelling Doctor Who. Edit: I guess that Little Archie comic is a one-shot. Other one-shots coming out in March include The Archies, Sabrina, and an Archie horror title about werewolves. Sure, why not. Some of those are probably an interest check of sorts, I'm guessing. Argue fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Dec 13, 2016 |
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Riverdale premieres in a few hours! Anyone planning to watch? All the buzz I'm hearing has been pretty positive, so I'm optimistic.
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For anyone who might be interested, Comixology has 50% off all Archie through Sunday, including the horror, sonic/megaman, and superhero lines. Coupon code ARCHIE
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Epoxy Bulletin posted:For anyone who might be interested, Comixology has 50% off all Archie through Sunday, including the horror, sonic/megaman, and superhero lines. Coupon code ARCHIE I actually saw this the other day and spent $30 on the entire new Archie series based on the word I'd heard about it. It's really really good. I'm contemplating getting the other titles as well. So what is the full New Archie line? Betty & Veronica, Jughead, and Josie & The Pussycats? Is that it?
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There's also a Reggie miniseries that's currently ongoing. Fair warning, I think it's safe to say none of the other ongoings reaches the level of Archie proper. Jughead has its moments, though.
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X-O posted:I actually saw this the other day and spent $30 on the entire new Archie series based on the word I'd heard about it. It's really really good. I'm contemplating getting the other titles as well. So what is the full New Archie line? Betty & Veronica, Jughead, and Josie & The Pussycats? Is that it? I think I prefer Jughead to Archie, actually, though they're both good. Betty & Veronica is hot garbage (based on the one issue I read), and Josie is pretty mediocre. Reggie & Me has been better than I expected, but I 'm pretty sure it's actually a miniseries.
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Is Archie being a gigantic klutz and screw up a carry over from the old comics? My entry point to Archie was pretty much Afterlife when I heard the buzz for it. But I have to say Archie crashing and burning at every job he gets is one of my favorite running gags ever. I could read a whole issue of Archie job montages.
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X-O posted:Is Archie being a gigantic klutz and screw up a carry over from the old comics? My entry point to Archie was pretty much Afterlife when I heard the buzz for it. But I have to say Archie crashing and burning at every job he gets is one of my favorite running gags ever. I could read a whole issue of Archie job montages. Near as I can tell it is, although it had been downplayed a lot in more modern comics till the reboot Also someone should post the ice cream fire scene, that one is my favorite
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drrockso20 posted:Near as I can tell it is, although it had been downplayed a lot in more modern comics till the reboot Oh man I laughed so hard that. "HOW???"
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Archie being a giant klutz is totally from the comics; it's why Mr. Lodge hates him. (also if you're interested I've got a few annotations for the first few issues of Archie earlier in this thread) As for the other new comics, I posted a bunch of mini-reviews earlier, but here's a recap: Afterlife With Archie - Really good, and technically still ongoing, but at the pace we're at, we'll be lucky to get two issues in a year. Sabrina - Also good, not as good as Afterlife. Jughead - Started off ok but unremarkable, but got good once Chip Zdarsky dropped the dream gimmick, and I'm enjoying Ryan North's run. Keep in mind that there isn't a big story here; this is the comic for random teen misadventures. I would say Chip's run was not as good as his Howard the Duck, but Ryan's run is almost as good as his Squirrel Girl. Betty and Veronica - Meh. I guess that's what you get for getting Adam Hughes to do a comic about teenage girls. To his credit, issue 2, which is the only other issue out, seems to address all the biggest problems I had with issue 1. Josie - Good, but I feel it suffers from compression; too much development happens in the span of a few pages without giving the reader time to stew over it. But if you want to see a modern take on the old Hanna Barbara cartoon, this is a good successor to it--it's not just a band comic, they get into misadventures involving crime rings, etc, like in the cartoons. Reggie - Better than I expected, primarily because I wasn't sure what to expect. It's only a 5 issue miniseries though. Also the only comic of the reboot to actually be clearly set in the same continuity as the main Archie title--the rest don't even pretend to care about what's currently happening in Archie (which is fine by me). If you're waffling on the others, the recently released Road to Riverdale (which is NOT a comic about the tv show) TPB is a compilation of the first issues of Archie, Jughead, B&V, and Josie.
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I'll definitely go back through your posts. On a separate note, as a big Afterlife fan and newly converted New Archie fan I really loved Riverdale. I don't have as much time with the characters as some of you in this thread do but I think they kinda nailed all the characterization. For some reason I had it in my head that Veronica was going to be the antagonist of the series and a lot of the friction would come from that and I'm happy to see from episode one that doesn't seem like the case at all. I like that Betty and Veronica are kinda of like instantly friends. Also the actress that plays Betty is really good.
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Finally watched. I liked it! And yes, I think they nailed down the core cast quite well. There were some liberties with lesser-known characters like Betty's mom, Veronica's dad, and so forth, but that's understandable--if they stayed true to everyone (they're all essentially good people) they'd probably be really hard-pressed to draw out conflict on the show short of bringing in Archie's literal supervillains like Mad Doctor Doom and Morgan Le Fey. There's no thread about it in TVIV and I don't want to make one so I'm just posting here; I won't be doing this for every ep but if there's anything I feel is notable I'll post about it: "The Town With PEP!" - Archie's first appearance was in Pep Comics in 1941. MLJ Comics - The old comics place we see in the establishing shots is named MLJ--MLJ Comics was the name of Archie Comics before Archie shot to prominence Geraldine Grundy - She's as old as 616 Aunt May in the comics, so I thought it might be her daughter or something. Archie calling her by name nips that theory in the bud, though. Archiekins - Veronica says "Archiekins", which is her classic term of endearment for him in the old comics (I don't recall if she's used it yet in the reboot). In case anyone is wondering, every single named character is someone established in the comics. I don't think there's going to be a shortage of Archie characters to pull from if they need a new person to play some role. I've annotated all of them in the past so just scan through if you'd like to know more about any. vvvv ya i should have said less iconic? or something. Argue fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Jan 27, 2017 |
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Please don't call Hiram Lodge a lesser known character, tia.
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I've seen porn that puts more effort into justifying having two women kiss than that Riverdale pilot did.
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Much like his daughter, Mr. Lodge being a nice guy is something that happened over time as new writers softened the characters. As originally conceived he's an irredeemable snob and greedy prick.
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How accurate was this Cracked video about it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo_UiKRK9Xk
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Pretty accurate, though they were just going off the trailer. Their speculation stuff wasn't on the mark as of yet. I enjoyed it!
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Disclaimer: the bulk of my Archie experience comes from reading my mother's comics from the late 70s and the 80s. I've read some modern double digests here and there, but most of my Archie reading is, like, pre-Jellybean even. A few scattered thoughts on ep 1 of Riverdale: The first ep had a lot of character dynamics that were clearly added as threads for ongoing drama (i.e. everyone having some huge conflict with their parents, Polly Cooper, Mr Lodge...), but I kinda dug it. I cheered just from Dilton being included as a boy scout troop master! Agree that the same-sex kiss was completely unnecessary (just put there to be edgy/fanservicey?) I really like the dynamic that the writers have set up between Betty and Ronnie - I buy that they get along super well but that Archie will be a point of conflict for them. It seemed odd having Veronica be so... literary? But these are different takes on the characters so I'm not that bothered. Betty is well-done too. The Miss Grundy thing is a weird and creepy addition that I'm not sure really needed to be there. I want to see more of Reggie and Jughead! Reggie came across as a jock/bro, when in my mind (and in the old comics) he's really more of a upper-middle-class preppy who just can't stop himself from being an rear end in a top hat. Again, different interpretation of the character, but I hope he gets a bit more going for him than just an obnoxious dude in the background. I can't wait to see more of Mr Lodge. Him coming back seems like an element that's going to drop at some point, presumably to the detriment of Archie's dad.
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Argue posted:Finally watched. I liked it! And yes, I think they nailed down the core cast quite well. There were some liberties with lesser-known characters like Betty's mom, Veronica's dad, and so forth, but that's understandable--if they stayed true to everyone (they're all essentially good people) they'd probably be really hard-pressed to draw out conflict on the show short of bringing in Archie's literal supervillains like Mad Doctor Doom and Morgan Le Fey. A couple more: 1941 - The year Riverdale High opened its doors, also the year Archie first appeared in Pep (as noted) Sugar Sugar - The Archies actually charted with this song -- in the real world, on the actual charts. I was scared at the end that Moose was going down to the river with Kevin under false pretenses and we were going to get a bashing, and I was happy to see that corpse.
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Test Pattern posted:Sugar Sugar - The Archies actually charted with this song -- in the real world, on the actual charts. It was actually the biggest hit single of 1969 in America.
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Test Pattern posted:A couple more: Wait, when did Sugar Sugar get played?
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X-O posted:I'll definitely go back through your posts. I haven't watched yet, but from what I've heard I'm going to be very pleased as a Cheryl fan. Also, I should point out there's a Kevin Keller digital mini going on right now as well that was announced alongside the other New Riverdale stuff. Much like everything but Reggie, it ignores the main title and is about Kevin moving to the big city and rooming with Veronica in their early 20s (Ronnie's been cut off by her dad so is having to actually work for the first time, while Kevin's managed to get a small on-camera gig out of his internship at a TV news show.) It's super-infrequent, though, probably down to Archie's financial issues. Otherwise the main title is basically the best thing Waid's writing, to the point where it almost feels like he's more focused on it than his Marvel work.
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