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Chris James 2 posted:After everything that's happened between them, the second that match hits minute 2 the fans will realize what's happening and the boos are going to come Don't you feel the fans will be too tired to boo during hour 9 of Wrestlemania?
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Sanguinia posted:How do you account for Brock's schtick getting noticeably worse recently when you apply this theory? Everything Brock has done since the Ambrose match (and arguably the Triple Threat before that) has led the audience reactions have grow noticeably weaker. Unlike Foochs I don't think its because the Suplex City Match has gotten stale. When Brock first started this run with the Cena squash, everything after that raised the stakes, with the one exception being the Rollins match but nobody cared because Rollins had been booked to be a chickenshit weakling who had also hosed Brock over, so nobody complained. The Roman/Dean Triple Threat he was barely involved with, but he still had momentum so nobody really noticed that he phoned it in for the most part in that bout. Brock should not be wrestling midcarders for no reason, for starters. Not that many people actually give a poo poo about Dean Ambrose, who is a cool character until he actually wrestles, and that number is not going to expand when you kill him dead. Randy Orton was fighting Brock for no real reason, the match didn't really have heat.
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I love the yearly tradition of having at least one part-timer in the biggest match at the biggest show of the year.
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MinibarMatchman posted:not only would that be sweet but jericho having one last run at the expense of goldberg would be some funny-rear end poetic justice Yeah, and it would deserve to happen because Goldberg hasn't been around for 12 years while Jericho has been working for them for nearly two decades. It would even make the stories better. It would give Goldberg a reason to give Lesnar another match. KO would be upset that Jericho had the title instead of him. Times like these, I wish Vince Russo was still writing. He might be willing to do something like that.
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Sanguinia posted:How do you account for Brock's schtick getting noticeably worse recently when you apply this theory? Everything Brock has done since the Ambrose match (and arguably the Triple Threat before that) has led the audience reactions have grow noticeably weaker. Unlike Foochs I don't think its because the Suplex City Match has gotten stale. When Brock first started this run with the Cena squash, everything after that raised the stakes, with the one exception being the Rollins match but nobody cared because Rollins had been booked to be a chickenshit weakling who had also hosed Brock over, so nobody complained. The Roman/Dean Triple Threat he was barely involved with, but he still had momentum so nobody really noticed that he phoned it in for the most part in that bout. the Lesnar/Undertaker passout, you mean the one where he flipped off taker as he drifted off to sleep? strong disagree on that being dumbass. the hardway elbows was very dumb conceptually, as the concept of going out planning to smash open a guy's head with elbows is pretty silly, but i don't think it did anything to hurt Lesnar's star, it just makes WWE look bad. cheating at UFC 200 actually makes him quite cool, see: Jon Bones Jones and his huge cock that needs cialis to even get hard. the Ambrose match was lovely and I won't argue against that, but with my hatred for Dean's in-ring only growing worse I personally don't mind watching him be squashed. without that leading into Brock's UFC match, it probably goes a little better. Goldberg's momentum exists right now because of how good this story with Brock has been. people want to see a Goldberg/Brock blowoff, they built it very well while purposefully withholding the full match. if he's signed for more dates (which I would be really surprised but I pray for it every night), he can come out on the post-WM Raw and get a huge adoring reaction for getting his rear end beat because the fans are sympathetic to his character and his role in the angle so far. he might end up even more over that night, and then he could be shifted into another feud and help elevate someone else Brock and Bill are both cool as heck.
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dont even fink about it posted:Brock should not be wrestling midcarders for no reason, for starters. Not that many people actually give a poo poo about Dean Ambrose, who is a cool character until he actually wrestles, and that number is not going to expand when you kill him dead. Randy Orton was fighting Brock for no real reason, the match didn't really have heat. Midcarders? You know that Ambrose was #2 in the Rumble and wrestled Triple H for the title just before that match, and main evented multiple PPVs and many months of TV before he fought Brock right? Or were Rollins and Reigns also midcarders when they fought Brock? The 70,0000 record breaking live audience of Wrestlemania 32 were behind Ambrose to win that match regardless of whatever percentage of the worldwide audience likes him and regardless of your opinion of his wrestling talents. Brock killing him and making him look like a jobber in a really lazy match where he took almost no punishment despite a street fight stip instead of at least making Dean look strong in a compelling close-fought match like he gave to Roman was a very clear flashpoint in the audience losing steam for Brock, and denying that is just denying the reality of smaller and smaller crowd reactions every time Brock has reappeared since then. The Orton Match had plenty of heat because Randy had heat off a return from a long absence and all the RKO pop exploitation in the build. The match died because Brock wrestled a less quality and less interesting match compared to his past efforts when they expected him to step up against an opponent like Orton who is traditionally protected and allowed to look strong, just like he had to step up in the Cena rematch after the first squash. There's a clear distinction between someone wrestling a style that allows for squash matches and someone wrestling lazy. Brock has been wrestling lazy for the last year, and its really easy to see because he wasn't wrestling lazy before that.
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UFC 200 was a work, Mark Hunt will debut soon and Vince will push him to the moon
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Alain Post posted:UFC 200 was a work, Mark Hunt will debut soon and Vince will push him to the moon i really want to see mark hunt attempting scripted wwe promos and constantly slipping up and muttering loving oval office pieces of poo poo under his breath
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Sanguinia posted:Midcarders? You know that Ambrose was #2 in the Rumble and wrestled Triple H for the title just before that match, and main evented multiple PPVs and many months of TV before he fought Brock right? Or were Rollins and Reigns also midcarders when they fought Brock? I can't recall, but didn't Brock work this match in a shirt?
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Sanguinia posted:Midcarders? Yes, midcarders Booker T got a lot of title shots too, no one would confuse him for the focus of the company at any time though. And getting the iron man position in a rumble means absolutely jack poo poo at this point.
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Vaguido posted:I assume it's because they ruined the credibility of the title and they want to use part timers to make it a big deal. They could've started that by not making it look like a strawberry Fruit Roll-Up.
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I don't have a problem at all with Brock getting the belt. A little sad about Owens, I feel like he was really hitting his stride.
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dont even fink about it posted:And getting the iron man position in a rumble means absolutely jack poo poo at this point. Ambrose FINISHED #2, as in came within one elimination of winning the thing. If Ambrose was a midcarder when he fought Brock than the entire Shield were midcarders when they fought Brock and none of those matches should have happened.
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Nobody on Smackdown is main eventer tier, including the main event of Smackdown.
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Santino once finished #2. They can book the runner up of the Rumble however they want.
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Santino almost winning the Rumble was almost as cool as that time Santino almost won the world title at that one EC match with Bryan
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rovert posted:Plans change Which plans, Rovert?
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IcePhoenix posted:Which plans, Rovert? Seths knee planned to stay uninjured.
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Alain Post posted:people go to Wrestlemania for the spectacle, do you really think they're going to start booing because a match between Goldberg and Brock Lesnar Wrestlemania XX says hi.
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IcePhoenix posted:Which plans, Rovert? A joke. After Owens/Lesnar being announced for a MSG live event after me talking the idea of them wrestling each other. In my defense I was talking on screen in a meaningful match.
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Venomous posted:so without Seth, who are they going to have Triple H job to this time? The Rock? Dean? loving, I dunno, Kevin Owens? (Because they are bound to deny us KO/Jericho if it means Triple H gets his match.) Dean would be cool, I suppose, because they put on a good match last year. Finn would make sense if he's healthy, maybe. Or at least it would be easy to set up. I think KO/Jericho is almost definitely happening.
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DoctorGonzo posted:Wrestlemania XX says hi. Both of them were leaving the company, which is why people started booing, and then they proceeded to not give a poo poo because they were mad about the fans. It was not because of "Not Enough Stars". People have been predicting disaster and making GBS threads on the Brock/Goldberg program for week after week, even after it's repeatedly been the most consistently well booked program WWE has had for months.
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Venomous posted:so without Seth, who are they going to have Triple H job to this time? The Rock? Dean? loving, I dunno, Kevin Owens? (Because they are bound to deny us KO/Jericho if it means Triple H gets his match.) Rock's probably too short notice. KO/Jericho seems like a lock. I guess if Sami isn't doing anything better, he's been involved in the story already and checks the "anti-authority" and "NXT" boxes.
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Abroham Lincoln posted:Rock's probably too short notice. KO/Jericho seems like a lock. I guess if Sami isn't doing anything better, he's been involved in the story already and checks the "anti-authority" and "NXT" boxes. ...yeah, I'd actually be down for that tbh, especially if it means Sami/Joe at Fastlane. If they go in that direction, this won't be as much of a disaster as I thought it would be.
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rovert posted:A joke. After Owens/Lesnar being announced for a MSG live event after me talking the idea of them wrestling each other. Ah, yeah. I thought you were just dropping that in the middle of everyone freaking out because something else changed 
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Given that Sami's been even more profligate with his tweets of late it seems pretty certain he'd be jobbing if matched up with anyone at WM.
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Basic Chunnel posted:Given that Sami's been even more profligate with his tweets of late it seems pretty certain he'd be jobbing if matched up with anyone at WM. He was booked well with a win on Raw since doing tweets on the current issues though, so maybe for once WWE isn't doing the wrong thing.
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No matter how many times I see people say they want Jericho vs Owens I don't understand it. Either of them turning face given the history of this run would be borderline Russo-tier nonsense and nobody should trust Raw's writers to make it good in the time left until Mania. Having them wrestling heel vs heel would be stupid. And either way the result is the most entertaining thing on Raw not named Strowman being brought to an end.
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Sanguinia posted:No matter how many times I see people say they want Jericho vs Owens I don't understand it. Either of them turning face given the history of this run would be borderline Russo-tier nonsense and nobody should trust Raw's writers to make it good in the time left until Mania. Having them wrestling heel vs heel would be stupid. And either way the result is the most entertaining thing on Raw not named Strowman being brought to an end. Jericho's with Fozzy after Mania and they don't know when he'll be back. Owens has to move on story-wise, and that means something's going to have to happen between the two by Mania at the absolute latest.
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Chris James 2 posted:Jericho's with Fozzy after Mania and they don't know when he'll be back. Owens has to move on story-wise, and that means something's going to have to happen between the two by Mania at the absolute latest. Crap. I suppose Owens turning face would be too much to hope for? I mean, Jericho is clearly the more evil of the two of them if you actually take continuity into account, and I'm desperately sick of Owen's chickenshit heel booking where he can't win to save his drat life.
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The fans are ready to cheer Jericho.
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Basic Chunnel posted:The fans are ready to cheer Jericho. The fans have been ready to cheer Owens since his debut.
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Sanguinia posted:Crap. I suppose Owens turning face would be too much to hope for? I mean, Jericho is clearly the more evil of the two of them if you actually take continuity into account, and I'm desperately sick of Owen's chickenshit heel booking where he can't win to save his drat life. Honestly, if the "Goldberg gets the belt at FastLane" stuff happens, I could see it working with Owens wanting Jericho's belt and winning it at Mania and/or apron powerbombing him afterwards. Obviously that's assuming they don't gently caress up his booking and as you said that's probably too much to hope for, but if they want an easy way of getting Chris off camera AND getting either of them booed more than ever, I'm struggling to think of anything else.
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Jericho and Owens have been bad heels, they are getting cheered anyways so i dont see what is the problem with one of them turning face again
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DoctorGonzo posted:Jericho and Owens have been bad heels, they are getting cheered anyways so i dont see what is the problem with one of them turning face again My problem with it is continuity. They've been completely despicable at every opportunity, and the one time they teased tension between them that could have resulted in a turn for one of them believably it was revealed to be a ruse on Jericho's part and Kevin wholeheartedly forgave him because keeping his title mattered more than mean words and taking a codebreaker. The way its been written, and the way the two of them have acted it, it strains credulity that either of them would betray the other or that they would suddenly abandon their evil ways for Babyfacedom. I'm sure a good writer could make it work, but Raw's writers do not have a great track record and window they have to get it done is only a handful of weeks. It makes me skeptical to say the least.
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Sanguinia posted:Crap. I suppose Owens turning face would be too much to hope for? I mean, Jericho is clearly the more evil of the two of them if you actually take continuity into account, and I'm desperately sick of Owen's chickenshit heel booking where he can't win to save his drat life. He was pretty sympathetic through this week's Raw, though I wouldn't read into it much. Seth being injured probably throws off whatever face/heel dynamic they had planned for Raw going forward, but if Roman turns they're out of main event faces, too.
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DoctorGonzo posted:Jericho and Owens have been bad heels, they are getting cheered anyways so i dont see what is the problem with one of them turning face again The problem is they won't be friends anymore. KO should turn because face Jericho sucks.
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