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Main Paineframe posted:the real problem (according to a cursory glance at a few wikipedia pages and maybe thirty seconds of research) is that he dropped out two months before the election, and the party didn't have a real plan B ready to go because they'd spent the entire year clearing the field for him, so they had to start a fresh campaign with no money and no name recognition for a nobody whose only electoral experience was running unopposed for a state House seat well, yeah. i mean, if a candidate drops out 2 months before the election, there's no way to win. nobody has a plan B for a candidate dropping out that close to election day. and montana's bench is so small (because it's a small, red state) that you don't need to clear the field for a candidate. the field is naturally empty unless you recruit someone for it. it was a pretty hosed up position, but i'd say the responsibility pretty much lays entirely on walsh. hell, he shouldn't have even dropped out. the "scandal" was some weak plagiarism poo poo.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:I can't believe Bernie would support good issues and fight against bad ones. Yeah, I don't get the support for the Mitch McConnel nihilist "oppose everything" strategy. It might make you feel good but the Dem party is based on the idea that government can actually do good things. If you go ahead with opposing policies even if they're ideologically acceptable purely on the basis of obstructionism you're just playing into the GOP argument that government is broken and incompetent.
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MaxxBot posted:Yeah, I don't get the support for the Mitch McConnel nihilist "oppose everything" strategy. It might make you feel good but the Dem party is based on the idea that government can actually do good things. If you go ahead with opposing policies even if they're ideologically acceptable purely on the basis of obstructionism you're just playing into the GOP argument that government is broken and incompetent. huh, it's almost as if Bernie is an independent who sees the middle on some things that are actually good instead of pearl-clutching about ideology and standards like a bunch of pedantic neolibs who are desperately trying to play gotcha mindgames instead of looking at the real issues and still haven't figured out why Hillary lost~ (it's exactly this)
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1. dems should oppose everything gop does and be obstructionist as hell and refuse to work with them, and vote against everything 2. except if it's bernie. he's cool
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Concerned Citizen posted:1. dems should oppose everything gop does and be obstructionist as hell and refuse to work with them, and vote against everything wowahweewah what a bad post
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like bernie is actually right, and we should take free wins from the gop if they want to give them to us. but lol @ people like tbs who spammed "DEMS NEED TO HAVE BALLS" suddenly saying "but actually it's cool to cooperate on some stuff."
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LmaoTheKid posted:wowahweewah what a bad post It's CC, that's his entire spiel. Well that and pretending he's led democrats to incredible victories nationwide
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Concerned Citizen posted:1. dems should oppose everything gop does and be obstructionist as hell and refuse to work with them, and vote against everything I think #1 is loving stupid too, oppose bad policy and support good policy. Stop the sports team bullshit of changing positions on the same policies depending on who has a D or and R after their name. Mainly it has been the GOP doing this since I have become politically active but I don't think it's any better when the Dems do it. MaxxBot has issued a correction as of 22:52 on Feb 2, 2017 |
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:It's CC, that's his entire spiel. lol @ u being unable to explain away your crippling cognitive dissonance
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Concerned Citizen posted:lol @ u being unable to explain away your crippling cognitive dissonance You don't know poo poo lol Well, besides "centrism is always the answer"
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Concerned Citizen posted:like bernie is actually right, and we should take free wins from the gop if they want to give them to us. but lol @ people like tbs who spammed "DEMS NEED TO HAVE BALLS" suddenly saying "but actually it's cool to cooperate on some stuff." can you enumerate in which posts people were excoriating the Democrats for not going along with objectively good things which the Republicans are doing, rather than excoriating them for knuckling under on horrible poo poo
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That's exactly right Bernie is cool~ join the cult already, you're just being tsundere about it gosh 
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:You don't know poo poo lol lol you still can't
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Concerned Citizen posted:like bernie is actually right, and we should take free wins from the gop if they want to give them to us. but lol @ people like tbs who spammed "DEMS NEED TO HAVE BALLS" suddenly saying "but actually it's cool to cooperate on some stuff." hillary would never have even heard about citizens united if bernie hadn't made it an issue
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I don't mean to break up your slapfight, you two, but: it's only cognitive dissonance if you can give me an example of an actual good thing Republicans have done in the last two weeks which people got mad at Democrats for not stopping
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Concerned Citizen posted:like bernie is actually right, and we should take free wins from the gop if they want to give them to us. but lol @ people like tbs who spammed "DEMS NEED TO HAVE BALLS" suddenly saying "but actually it's cool to cooperate on some stuff." This post, is a very, very, very bad post.
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MaxxBot posted:Yeah, I don't get the support for the Mitch McConnel nihilist "oppose everything" strategy. It might make you feel good but the Dem party is based on the idea that government can actually do good things. If you go ahead with opposing policies even if they're ideologically acceptable purely on the basis of obstructionism you're just playing into the GOP argument that government is broken and incompetent. well, i am an anarchist
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MaxxBot posted:I think #1 is loving stupid too, oppose bad policy and support good policy. Stop the sports team bullshit of changing positions on the same policies depending on who has a D or and R after their name. what if a party has good policies and bad policies, and they use the support and seats they gain from having successful good policies to diminish people's ability to fight against their bad policies?
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Concerned Citizen posted:lol @ u being unable to explain away your crippling cognitive dissonance Here let me help Bernie has earned "political capital" by being right and good for a long time that bad dems don't have. So people trust him to only compromise if it's actually good.
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loquacius posted:I don't mean to break up your slapfight, you two, but: it's only cognitive dissonance if you can give me an example of an actual good thing Republicans have done in the last two weeks which people got mad at Democrats for not stopping *in a very silicon valley neolib voice* Doubling the hb1 minimum wage
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mormonpartyboat posted:hillary would never have even heard about citizens united if bernie hadn't made it an issue she wouldn't have cared either~ "Now back to the issues th-that I was..I was talking about." Aw peanuts, this is a thinly veiled primary chat, abort abort. 
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Lastgirl posted:she wouldn't have cared either~ Hissssssssssssssssssssss
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loquacius posted:can you enumerate in which posts people were excoriating the Democrats for not going along with objectively good things which the Republicans are doing, rather than excoriating them for knuckling under on horrible poo poo it's more that tbs and others itt have advocated for the political strategy of being like mcconnell and making government work like poo poo in order to undermine trump, like the republicans did to obama. which is a mutually exclusive strategy to handing trump major agenda victories on trade and infrastructure. trump does not have very many legislative items, so that's like half his agenda right there. that's the opposite of obstructionist. you either go scorched earth or you don't.
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loquacius posted:I don't mean to break up your slapfight, you two, but: it's only cognitive dissonance if you can give me an example of an actual good thing Republicans have done in the last two weeks which people got mad at Democrats for not stopping Yeah exactly. What the gently caress are people talking about cooperating on things that are good? What single issue are Republicans anything but "extremely loving awful on"? How does voting for a bill or appointment that is geared towards destroying the government promote the functioning of government?
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loquacius posted:I don't mean to break up your slapfight, you two, but: it's only cognitive dissonance if you can give me an example of an actual good thing Republicans have done in the last two weeks which people got mad at Democrats for not stopping
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uh a bunch of bad dems were very upset about Trump promising to let the TPP die I think that's the single issue (trade) that there might be legitimate division even within the Democrats on
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Concerned Citizen posted:it's more that tbs and others itt have advocated for the political strategy of being like mcconnell and making government work like poo poo in order to undermine trump, like the republicans did to obama. which is a mutually exclusive strategy to handing trump major agenda victories on trade and infrastructure. trump does not have very many legislative items, so that's like half his agenda right there. that's the opposite of obstructionist. you either go scorched earth or you don't. Any posts saying that were probably operating under the extremely reasonable assumption that Donald Trump's Congress will attempt to do exactly zero positive things and use every possible millisecond to accomplish their policy goals of war, inequality, and bigotry Honestly even if Trump does propose an infrastructure bill it'll probably be "a bunch of new toll highways, to be built by Trump Construction Co using taxpayer dollars" or "a Napa-Valley-style wine train around Manhattan, LUXURIOUS, $150 a ticket" or something
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Fullhouse posted:I think that's the single issue (trade) that there might be legitimate division even within the Democrats on trade is something that needs negotiation and discussion but protectionism is isolationism and isolationism is death hail death
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I will say that Trump and Bernie do have very similar goals on trade, to the extent that I distinctly remember a potential Trump cabinet drawn up by Trump fans last year or thereabouts floating Bernie as an across-the-aisle pick for international trade czar
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loquacius posted:I will say that Trump and Bernie do have very similar goals on trade, to the extent that I distinctly remember a potential Trump cabinet drawn up by Trump fans last year or thereabouts floating Bernie as an across-the-aisle pick for international trade czar
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loquacius posted:I will say that Trump and Bernie do have very similar goals on trade, to the extent that I distinctly remember a potential Trump cabinet drawn up by Trump fans last year or thereabouts floating Bernie as an across-the-aisle pick for international trade czar is it one of those things where they just pick the most conservative semi-celebrity they can think of like sarah palin, secretary of the interior
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loquacius posted:Any posts saying that were probably operating under the extremely reasonable assumption that Donald Trump's Congress will attempt to do exactly zero positive things and use every possible millisecond to accomplish their policy goals of war, inequality, and bigotry Right, which Bernie won't budge on because it's not addressing the actual underlying issue to fixing decaying infrastructure. Even CC knows this, he's just playing devil's advocate as his shtick entails, making you post at length about how it's not actually as such. The votes that could've gone to Hillary went to Trump for this hope that they'd get jobs and infrastructures up and running vs foreign policy wonk and "your coal jobs are not coming back I'm sorry". The rurals ares the real losers here regardless if you want to play your mind game of who's right and coulda, shoulda, woulda so gently caress off imo
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logikv9 posted:allen west, secretary of defense sean spicer, secretary of defensiveness
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If accelerationism is the hard lesson to learn from all of this for new blood democrats should we come out of this alive the next 4 years, so be it inshallah
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