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"Casual mind invasion" is sort of every psychic in a nutshell to be fair.
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She did learn from the best.
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algebra testes posted:I was like super not into Extraordinary for the longest while and then one week it just clicked for me around the time Magic killed the little girl. 
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Rhyno posted:The other four have all gotten somewhat interesting stories and the only thing she's gotten is an insane doppleganger from another alternate future. Actually, she didn't even get that. It was a mental construct by the insane alternate future child of Xavier. So she got a person who was pretending they had an insane doppelganger from another alternate future with them. KaosMachina fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Jan 15, 2017 |
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Jan 15, 2017 20:49
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KaosMachina posted:Actually, she didn't even get that. It was a mental construct by the insane alternate future child of Xavier. When did they retcon that?
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Jan 15, 2017 22:10
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Rhyno posted:When did they retcon that? I had to actually look this up on the marvel wiki, because I couldn't remember the specifics, buuuuut... The Marvel Wiki posted:Following Charles Xavier II and the Future Brotherhood failure when attempting to assassinate Cyclops's force in Weapon X base, Jean Grey took off her Xorn helmet. However, revealing that there has been nothing behind the mask, Jean Grey indeed died during the battle of Cape Citadel, thus Emma Frost stated that the Jean Grey they saw in Weapon X base was only a muppet "made" by him, and Jean Grey's armor then started falling apart.. X-Men, y'all.
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BrianWilly posted:...So like, basically when the entire series is almost over? Yup pretty much. I don't know why it took me so long to "get" it. The fact that Bloodshot: Reborn is so excellent means that I just kept plugging away at it.
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Jan 16, 2017 00:23
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KaosMachina posted:Actually, she didn't even get that. It was a mental construct by the insane alternate future child of Xavier. 
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Jan 16, 2017 02:07
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That panel is going to get so much use
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Jan 16, 2017 03:28
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KaosMachina posted:I had to actually look this up on the marvel wiki, because I couldn't remember the specifics, buuuuut... I don't recall that, it wasn't in Battle of the Atom. So there was still a grown young Jean that came back in time going on that.
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Jan 16, 2017 03:35
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Speaking of Xorns, was there any attempt to reconcile the current more or less "anti-hero" Magneto with what he did towards the end of Morrison's New X-Men?
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Jan 16, 2017 03:42
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Xorn was a guy who thought he was Magneto. He did that stuff.
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Jan 16, 2017 03:48
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Skwirl posted:Speaking of Xorns, was there any attempt to reconcile the current more or less "anti-hero" Magneto with what he did towards the end of Morrison's New X-Men? Aphrodite posted:Xorn was a guy who thought he was Magneto. He did that stuff. Yeah, Xorn just sort of thought he was Magneto so it made him look like Magneto and have all of his memories or something?
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Jan 16, 2017 03:54
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First they said Xorn was altered by Scarlet Witch subconsciously as she was messing with reality pre-House of M. But nobody liked that so they changed it to Xorn choosing to copy Magneto because he knew people would follow him and that the world needed a Magneto.
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Jan 16, 2017 04:10
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Xorn was right.
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Jan 16, 2017 04:14
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My favorite thing about Morrison's X-men was them all mainlining Sublime. That and getting Scott and Emma together.
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Jan 16, 2017 05:08
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I love that Morrison blew up Magneto and Xorn as usable characters at the end of his run and Marvel IMMEDIATELY turned around and bullshitted a way for them both to still be around and protagonists, even though one of them wasn't intended to even be a real person.
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Jan 16, 2017 05:17
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That was a different Xorn.
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Jan 16, 2017 05:20
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Okay, so we sort of know who Xorn is, but who's Zorn?
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Jan 16, 2017 05:22
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Y'know...at the time, Xorn being Magneto pretending to be Xorn felt like such a massive bullshit retcon of unbelievable proportions that threw the entirety of the world into a labyrinthine blended mess. This was when I first really, seriously started getting into comics. Nowadays...we see half-assed convoluted retcons like that happen every other month or so and the Xorneto mess is more like, oh yeah, which one was that again?
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Jan 16, 2017 05:23
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Aphrodite posted:That was a different Xorn. Yeah, I know. It being a different Xorn who incidentally looks and sounds and acts exactly like the first one was their bullshit explanation to keep him around. Morrison's big reveal was "AHA XORN IS REALLY MAGNETO" but then like 3 months later it was "NO ACTUALLY IT WAS NEITHER XORN NOR MAGNETO BUT A DIFFERENT IDENTICAL XORN PRETENDING TO BE MAGNETO PRETENDING TO BE XORN ALSO MAGNETO IS ALIVE"
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Jan 16, 2017 05:24
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JoshTheStampede posted:I love that Morrison blew up Magneto and Xorn as usable characters at the end of his run and Marvel IMMEDIATELY turned around and bullshitted a way for them both to still be around and protagonists, even though one of them wasn't intended to even be a real person. Almost as if the ancient disease that could, druglike, bring the thrill of reaching greater heights, but also burn out and kill a person or idea was...profit motive?!? Morrison's Marvel poo poo (see also: Marvel Boy) struggled a lot with the costs vs. benefits of corporatism and associated concepts, and given his later Action Comics work (where exploiting intellectual property is the work of cosmic villainy), it seems like he never completely made his peace with it.
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Jan 16, 2017 05:41
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JoshTheStampede posted:Yeah, I know. It being a different Xorn who incidentally looks and sounds and acts exactly like the first one was their bullshit explanation to keep him around. Morrison's big reveal was "AHA XORN IS REALLY MAGNETO" but then like 3 months later it was "NO ACTUALLY IT WAS NEITHER XORN NOR MAGNETO BUT A DIFFERENT IDENTICAL XORN PRETENDING TO BE MAGNETO PRETENDING TO BE XORN ALSO MAGNETO IS ALIVE" They were twins. And they did it because people liked Xorn and nobody was happy with Morrison's lovely Hitler thing.
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Jan 16, 2017 06:03
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Magneto as a former bad guy being a good guy but mostly still a bad guy is a better direction anyways. I really love that issue where he saves Kitty.
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Jan 16, 2017 06:05
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Magneto being Xorn was a cool idea. Magneto putting people into gas chambers was uh... not.
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Jan 16, 2017 06:38
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JoshTheStampede posted:Yeah, I know. It being a different Xorn who incidentally looks and sounds and acts exactly like the first one was their bullshit explanation to keep him around. Morrison's big reveal was "AHA XORN IS REALLY MAGNETO" but then like 3 months later it was "NO ACTUALLY IT WAS NEITHER XORN NOR MAGNETO BUT A DIFFERENT IDENTICAL XORN PRETENDING TO BE MAGNETO PRETENDING TO BE XORN ALSO MAGNETO IS ALIVE" 
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JoshTheStampede posted:Yeah, I know. It being a different Xorn who incidentally looks and sounds and acts exactly like the first one was their bullshit explanation to keep him around. Morrison's big reveal was "AHA XORN IS REALLY MAGNETO" but then like 3 months later it was "NO ACTUALLY IT WAS NEITHER XORN NOR MAGNETO BUT A DIFFERENT IDENTICAL XORN PRETENDING TO BE MAGNETO PRETENDING TO BE XORN ALSO MAGNETO IS ALIVE" So what you're saying is, it was Xorn's identical twin, pretending to be Xorn, pretending to be Magneto, pretending to be Xorn. Is it wrong I want someone to go back and revisit this and throw another layer onto it just to make it more complicated for comedy's sake?
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KaosMachina posted:So what you're saying is, it was Xorn's identical twin, pretending to be Xorn, pretending to be Magneto, pretending to be Xorn. Like making him a Summers brother?
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Rhyno posted:Like making him a Summers brother? Redundant, but tie him into Mr. Sinister.
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KaosMachina posted:Okay, so we sort of know who Xorn is, but who's Zorn? Defender of Zephyria, Conqueror of the tribes of Agon, and Decapitator of the Dark Herdsmen of Grith. I mean, obviously.
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JoshTheStampede posted:Yeah, I know. It being a different Xorn who incidentally looks and sounds and acts exactly like the first one was their bullshit explanation to keep him around. Morrison's big reveal was "AHA XORN IS REALLY MAGNETO" but then like 3 months later it was "NO ACTUALLY IT WAS NEITHER XORN NOR MAGNETO BUT A DIFFERENT IDENTICAL XORN PRETENDING TO BE MAGNETO PRETENDING TO BE XORN ALSO MAGNETO IS ALIVE" When they come to make the film, Xorn should be Robert Downey, Jr. playing Tony Stark playing Xorn playing Magneto playing Xorn because it turns out X-Men is fiction in-universe in the MCU.
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Jan 16, 2017 11:38
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I read all this xorn BS you all typed and it convinced me that the only good X-Men is Ultimate X-Men.
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KaosMachina posted:So what you're saying is, it was Xorn's identical twin, pretending to be Xorn, pretending to be Magneto, pretending to be Xorn.  Landfill? You're alive? No, I'm not Landfill. I'm Landfill's twin brother, Gil. Gil? -Gil? I taught Landfill everything he knew about drinking beer.
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Speaking of MagXornEto, this weeks issue of All-New features Young Cyclops getting a glimpse in Magneto's head, and the memories he sees include ripping Wolverines metal out, his childhood in the concentration camp, and...destroying NY after ripping off the Xorn helmet. Shouldn't actual Magneto not have that memory since it wasn't really him?
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JoshTheStampede posted:Speaking of MagXornEto, this weeks issue of All-New features Young Cyclops getting a glimpse in Magneto's head, and the memories he sees include ripping Wolverines metal out, his childhood in the concentration camp, and...destroying NY after ripping off the Xorn helmet. You're probably right, but something something clones and time travel and merged memories and whatever bullshit they did to redeem Jean Grey before she came back and died again, and also this is technically a completely different universe than what took place before Secret Wars because everything blew up and Franklin Richards had to make it out of scratch. In retrospect, having a bunch of people worried in universe about the time displaced X-kids running around at the same time Hickman was writing Avengers is loving hilarious.
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Feb 2, 2017 05:50
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Franklin having no clue how Xorn worked is perfectly sound logic.
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Feb 2, 2017 06:08
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Wasn't Xorn weirdness at some point confirmed to be the result of Scarlet Witch faffing around with reality?
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That was the first attempted fix but it was not well received so it was changed to a "the world needs a Magneto" plan by Xorn.
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