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Pissflaps posted:I believe the majority of polls are online or over the telephone so your chugger effect isn't really an issue. Exactly, they check the caller ID and ignore ones they don't know, and not many of them are on the internet. It explains why the poling data has been just enough out to be a very rough estimate for years.
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learnincurve posted:Exactly, they check the caller ID and ignore ones they don't know, and not many of them are on the internet. It explains why the poling data has been just enough out to be a very rough estimate for years. Polling has been proven to be largely accurate though ?
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Catching up on this NHS surcharge thing, I'm glad to see Pissflaps is being wrong once again so some semblence of normality is restored to the world.learnincurve posted:I don't trust polling data anymore. The largest voting block now has a way of not answering the phone if a number they don't know comes up, and because of the sheer quantity of people on the high street hawking for charities or phone companies they totter quickly away from anyone holding a clipboard. This is terribly silly though. There's no evidence that polling is getting better or worse. If ever you start spouting off like this, you should ask yourself if you'd have the same opinion if the polls were showing Lab 14 points ahead.
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baka kaba posted:Hmm but we're still in the EU? What a bizarrely phrased question...... What's bizarre about it? We voted to leave the eu and people are being asked if it was right or wrong that we did.
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Pissflaps posted:What's bizarre about it? We voted to leave the eu and people are being asked if it was right or wrong that we did. right or wrong is an odd way of phrasing it - it's not a moral choice
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If you want the breakdown of other parties or responder demographics, the data is on the YouGov site here (and other questions such as how well or badly the Government is doing at negitiating Brexit) ; https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/3hy4qn55vq/TimesResults_170131_VI_Trackers_W.pdf I know some folk are more statistically minded than me. PS Not sure still in strong position for next PM at 36%
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Pissflaps posted:What's bizarre about it? We voted to leave the eu and people are being asked if it was right or wrong that we did. I read bad and thought it was about the parliamentary vote and not the vote 8 months ago
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JFairfax posted:right or wrong is an odd way of phrasing it - it's not a moral choice Something being 'the right choice' isn't necessarily a moral question.
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Laradus posted:If you want the breakdown of other parties or responder demographics, the data is on the YouGov site here (and other questions such as how well or badly the Government is doing at negitiating Brexit) ; Interestingly half of UKIP thinks that May is going badly about implementing Brexit, which is significantly more than tories (~14%) I wonder what they want. Some sort of super-hard Brexit?
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If I was to be cynical I think it more likely that they just won't support anything May does because Brexit is their baby. Some of UKIP must believe that the Tories stole their moment.
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Private Speech posted:Interestingly half of UKIP thinks that May is going badly about implementing Brexit, which is significantly more than tories (~14%)
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Private Speech posted:Interestingly half of UKIP thinks that May is going badly about implementing Brexit, which is significantly more than tories (~14%) Maybe timing do you think? Trigger Article 50 the day after the referendum and put tanks at the channel tunnel the following day.
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Private Speech posted:Interestingly half of UKIP thinks that May is going badly about implementing Brexit, which is significantly more than tories (~14%)
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Pissflaps posted:I think that's the only one that's 'none commentary'. Is answering a question with a question a form of deflection?
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Serotonin posted:I wonder what happened to noted UKMT leftist and all round good egg The Saurus? You know you when you read some thing and you can just tell they aren't trolling.
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Jippa posted:You know you when you read some thing and you can just tell they aren't trolling.
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Dead Goon posted:Is answering a question with a question a form of deflection? No. It's what I do when a question makes no sense.
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https://twitter.com/owenjones84/status/827500089430175746  And so Trump wins. Left infighting is more important it seems.
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lol loving hell and the labour party voted for a war which caused hundreds if not thousands of rapes and murders
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TheRat posted:https://twitter.com/owenjones84/status/827500089430175746 I'm not sure that protests in London were ever going to do much to Trump. And yeah, it's hardly unfair to discourage people from attending rallies & events run by SWP & their fronts considering what they've done in the past. You also miss the follow up tweet, where Jones points out another anti-Trump protest. He's not saying don't protest Trump, he's saying the SWP tried to cover up rape, the people involved in the cover up are still high up in the party, and that it is actively dangerous for the SWP to be allowed to be at the forefront of left-wing activism in this country.
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TheRat posted:https://twitter.com/owenjones84/status/827500089430175746 *in extremely unconcerned voice* Oh no. Once we have lost the might of the SWP, left-wing politics will be doomed forever. Or more realistically the SWP is a cult of bearded numpties who dragged the organisation into the shitter over their desire to grift from it. Not to mention the fact that the SWP is part of that whole "left infighting" movement and always has been Splitter Number One. gently caress the SWP.
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Tony Blair is a war criminal and the labour party should not be supported until they as a group call for his arrest.
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Tesseraction posted:*in extremely unconcerned voice* Oh no. Once we have lost the might of the SWP, left-wing politics will be doomed forever. Yeah, this time it will definitely just be a one-off thing and not a massive distraction that causes untold harm to the actual cause.
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does anyone give a gently caress about the SWP though? problem is to the average outside person who knows nothing of the scandal it all sounds either like student politics or a whole people's front of judea type of a deal e/ and yeah takes the focus off what the protest is about and puts it on the protestors
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JFairfax posted:e/ and yeah takes the focus off what the protest is about and puts it on the protestors Pretty sure that is the SWPs intention tbh
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JFairfax posted:does anyone give a gently caress about the SWP though? It does.
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JFairfax posted:Tony Blair is a war criminal and the labour party should not be supported until they as a group call for his arrest. He's literally not. Unfortunately acting immorally isn't actually against the law.
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Yorkshire Tea posted:He's literally not. Unfortunately acting immorally isn't actually against the law. he literally is, and he's responsible for a thousand times more rapes than the SWP
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learnincurve posted:We should ask Ian Hislop who the next Labour Party leader will be, he's always been so good at it in the past. Remember when he openly mocked the idea of Boris getting anywhere in politics, and dismissed May as a thatcher wannabe in nice shoes who will be destined for a minor cabinet position to make up the numbers. In fairness, this assessment is entirely accurate, it's just that Hislop didn't bank on the stupidity of the world today.
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TheRat posted:Yeah, this time it will definitely just be a one-off thing and not a massive distraction that causes untold harm to the actual cause. That describes the SWP perfectly.
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The SWP should be shunned and pushed to the margins wherever they crawl out of the woodwork, we've been over this a thousand times.
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JFairfax posted:the notion of health tourism is a bit ridiculous really, you'd have to be coming from further afield than Europe really and if you could afford to do that then you probably have enough cash to afford healthcare. I got pretty sick while doing a semester abroad in London, sorry for stealing all your NHS and making it fail. 
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TheRat posted:And this is why the right keeps winning. This isn't the usual quibbling over the minutiae of theory and excluding comrades on some tenuous bullshit, the SWP is a creepy, self-interested cult that covered up systemic sexual abuse and they should be excluded from the broader left until they wither and die.
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