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i cant even begin to imagine what a poo poo show spencer showing up at berkeley is going to be
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cargo cult posted:i cant even begin to imagine what a poo poo show spencer showing up at berkeley is going to be his intro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6eQ78HCGEA
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rudatron posted:Backing down now is out of the question, it has to be followed through. Do you think they should go so far as to kill both Milo & David Spencer? Or is that too far?
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Of course that's too far, as is any action against them that doesn't involve them doing something first - it has to be reactive, you need a casus belli. You can debate whether shutting down the Berkeley talk itself was too far, I'm not personally convinced it was, but I won't dismiss objections entirely. It had a tradeoff associated with it. But now that that's happened, that's it, the line is drawn. If Spencer and Co show up to Berkeley, and antifa is a no show, that's 100% going to be interpreted as 'weakness' on the side of antifa, and therefore 'strength' on the side of the fash. That's the case even if you think the original protest was an overreaction. Pragmatically, and strategically, antifa cannot back down.
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rudatron posted:Of course that's too far, as is any action against them that doesn't involve them doing something first - it has to be reactive, you need a casus belli. Or they could, you know, look in a mirror and take a moment of self-reflection to recognize that this is all pantomime rather than deadly serious politics with the fate of the country hanging in the balance.
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rudatron posted:Of course that's too far, as is any action against them that doesn't involve them doing something first - it has to be reactive, you need a casus belli. What's the casus belli to destroy a Starbucks next to the campus? I ask because I'm confused on what that company, and other local businesses along with individuals whose property was destroyed by the people protesting did to deserve that. Like I get going after Milo/Spencer/whoever, but how does that justify it spilling over onto random other people who dared to be in the area around UCB? Mekchu has issued a correction as of 13:45 on Feb 3, 2017 |
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Unfunny Poster posted:What's the casus belli to destroy a Starbucks next to the campus? holy war
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Michael Bayleaf posted:holy war Are these the Dunkin' Donuts crusaders I heard about?
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Bash the Frappe
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Laphroaig posted:Bash the Frappe A movement we can all get behind.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/sbpdl/status/827362298708766720 he loves quoting independence day  https://mobile.twitter.com/sbpdl/status/827362385384132609 https://mobile.twitter.com/sbpdl/status/827370338392485888 https://mobile.twitter.com/sbpdl/status/827379498400100352
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Race Realists posted:he loves quoting independence day What is with you and fat ladies?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/sbpdl/status/827359010533801985 https://mobile.twitter.com/sbpdl/status/827359681949659136 this man is an opportunistic sociopath willing to say and do anything to get attention for his blog and racial pseudoscience books I didn't mention this before, but he also moonlights as RedStaterNYC on Angry White Dude (whereas the blog entries there are run of the mill neoconservativetism, his seem to teeter on outright Nazism)
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Race Realists posted:this man is an opportunistic sociopath willing to say and do anything to get attention for his blog and racial pseudoscience books nah he probably believes everything he writes
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The Brown Menace posted:nah he probably believes everything he writes https://mobile.twitter.com/sbpdl/status/827353099681538048 I openly admit I've been trying for years to doxx this piece of human poo poo this dude literally has links to African-American related sites like TheRoot on his blog BornAPoorBlkChild has issued a correction as of 14:43 on Feb 3, 2017 |
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Two can play the labor camp game...
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Two can play the labor camp game... I prefer re-education through labor.
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I find it absolutely hilarious that the people who just spent the last year calling liberals snowflakes and the last eight calling them sissies are now scared to death because those snowflakes are laying their asses out. You're a bitch! Grow some fuckin' balls! Man up! NOOOO STOP HITTING MEEEE HELP HELP ME
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I think these guys are bad
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Thug Lessons posted:Or they could, you know, look in a mirror and take a moment of self-reflection to recognize that this is all pantomime rather than deadly serious politics with the fate of the country hanging in the balance. it's not like there's ine of them in the whitehouse or anything, and gone from being a scattering of publishers inaces like bfe nebraska that might hold some barely noticeable gatherings every once in a while to being invited to speak on campus and television
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If you'd stop pretending "libs do it too" all the time, you'd probably get more replies. Go ahead, show us the liberal equivalent of Milo.
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Relevant Tangent posted:If you'd stop pretending "libs do it too" all the time, you'd probably get more replies. Go ahead, show us the liberal equivalent of Milo. George Ciccariello-Maher is the closest http://www.philly.com/philly/news/Drexel-officials-Professor-George-Ciccariello-Mahers-White-Genocide-tweet-was-utterly-reprehensible.html He is basically obnoxious and annoying and has monetized it via settling into a professorship in Academia, vs. monetizing it via a speaking tour. Also I googled this out of curiosity and lol https://www.quora.com/Who-is-Milo-Yiannopoulos-counterpart I mean basically you are saying "Find me an example in the <dominant culture> of a <counter-culture figure>, checkmate shitlord." - by definition, the opposition to Milo is mainstream, since he is counter-culture, and the culture is liberalism. The closest I could find is someone on the academic left, outside of the culture of liberalism (as a socialist) and a provocateur (Kill All White People). I think this fits your criteria? Laphroaig has issued a correction as of 17:14 on Feb 3, 2017 |
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Thug Lessons posted:Or they could, you know, look in a mirror and take a moment of self-reflection to recognize that this is all pantomime rather than deadly serious politics with the fate of the country hanging in the balance. It's both.
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Bud K ninja sword posted:Bill Maher comes to mind as far as insufferable liberal smug douchemongers but never really feel the urge to punch him its more drat i should tell that dude to shut the gently caress up on twitter, so then i do. I would laugh if someone socked Bill Maher, or put a whoopie cushion on Michael Moore's seat. Unless of course, it was a Nazi.
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Relevant Tangent posted:If you'd stop pretending "libs do it too" all the time, you'd probably get more replies. Go ahead, show us the liberal equivalent of Milo. Lena Dunham.
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Ian Winthorpe III posted:Lena Dunham. Lena Dunham thrives on patheticism. It's not the same thing.
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Relevant Tangent posted:It's both. The pantomime, the play, becomes the stage upon with real politics starts. Without punching a nazi, you don't get a conversation about violence in political discourse. Without looting a starbucks, you don't get handwringing over property rights. Ultimately, symbolic actions are symbolic - its a trite statement to call it pantomime because of course it is. That doesn't mean it isn't part and parcel of the deadly serious politics. The left in the US lost really badly at the ballot box. I think it was a mixture of bad tactics, arrogance, and dissatisfaction with the status quo of our capitalist system and global order, the continuance of which was represented by Hillary Clinton in particular and the Democratic party in general. "But the Republicans are just as bad or worse!" is 100% true, but they could at least clearly articulate a new vision for the future - a horrible one of "BUILD THE WALL" and "STOP ISLAM!" and "A RETURN TO VALUES", but its a vision of a different sort of future than the previous grey bleakness that was setting in. I remember how fired up Obama got people - Hope and Change and the promise of a new, better future. Well, it got lost in the incrementalism of the current global order. The rich got richer, the poor got poorer, and 8 years later we've still got ourselves bombing muslims for no loving reason and now we have an insane clown president with, it feels sometimes, unlimited and unchecked presidential power. All of the protests, now, are people rejecting that new vision of the future - the wall, the immigration orders, etc, - but the mainstream left is STILL advocating the fantasy of returning to that same grey, bleak status quo as the best way forward. They need to advocate a new vision for America that goes beyond the incrementalism of the current Democratic Establishment and offers a real choice. All of the neo-fascists are coming out of the woodwork, and you can't bash-a-fash them back like a whack-a-mole game. The people need to be given a real, tangible vision of a different kind of country, and way of life, and future, or the Bannons and Milos of the world will step in and offer their vision instead.
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Ian Winthorpe III posted:Lena Dunham. OK now cite a time when Lena Dunham has talked a bunch of hateful poo poo against minorities
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Laphroaig posted:George Ciccariello-Maher is the closest I'd never heard of the kill whitey dude. I guess what I was asking for is a liberal who is trying to set themselves up on the gravy train of getting beat up and then talking about it. Because I don't think they really exist. White genocide for Christmas dude is dumb as hell though. To your larger point, I don't think the culture is liberal or that Milo is counter-culture. He's not mainstream, but he's not opposed to the mainstream. Culture is pretty conservative, it's just not conservative in the way Nationalists would like. /edit/ I agree with basically everything you said about the Left a couple of posts up. Relevant Tangent has issued a correction as of 17:30 on Feb 3, 2017 |
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Laphroaig posted:The pantomime, the play, becomes the stage upon with real politics starts. Without punching a nazi, you don't get a conversation about violence in political discourse. Without looting a starbucks, you don't get handwringing over property rights. Ultimately, symbolic actions are symbolic - its a trite statement to call it pantomime because of course it is. That doesn't mean it isn't part and parcel of the deadly serious politics.
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:OK now cite a time when Lena Dunham has talked a bunch of hateful poo poo against minorities http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenint...te-men/?0p19G=c Celebrating the extinction of white men (a minority of the global population) is certainly on par with what Milo comes up with. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Relevant Tangent posted:I'd never heard of the kill whitey dude. I guess what I was asking for is a liberal who is trying to set themselves up on the gravy train of getting beat up and then talking about it. Because I don't think they really exist. White genocide for Christmas dude is dumb as hell though. No, liberalism is the mainstream and Milo does represent a counterculture. The problem is that Milo is also a liberal, and what he really represents is an adolescent desire to be free of social consequences for being an rear end in a top hat.
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Ian Winthorpe III posted:http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenint...te-men/?0p19G=c Oh gently caress I responded to IWC never mind
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Is there a good collection of milo hate quotes? Having a hard time finding examples
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Talmonis posted:I prefer re-education through labor. This.
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