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LeftistMuslimObama posted:surprise, the lack of diversity in programming is structural and if you dont do anything to address the lack of women and minorities even starting cs degrees you will never achieve diversity in the output of those programs. agreed, also throw all the bosses into a volcano
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half the replies to this tweet are of the form "it's not really google's fault, there are just no black people in tech" PROBLEM SOLVED, GUYS! SHUT IT DOWN
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Sagebrush posted:half the replies to this tweet are of the form "it's not really google's fault, there are just no black people in tech" it's the 2010s version of "there's just no women in
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Feb 3, 2017 22:55
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:surprise, the lack of diversity in programming is structural and if you dont do anything to address the lack of women and minorities even starting cs degrees you will never achieve diversity in the output of those programs. when i graduated my college was starting to make a very real push to attract more women into the engineering department. i should call up my old professors and see if they got results
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Feb 3, 2017 22:58
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maybe if they introduced a "Hot Guys Of IT" calendar they could attract more women into the field starting around puberty
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Feb 3, 2017 23:07
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January: Meet James. James knows exactly what to put in all your ports. This Cat5 Commando will get your rig purring like a kitten. 
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YA BOY ETHAN COUCH posted:maybe if they introduced a "Hot Guys Of IT" calendar Error 16: Search returned no results.
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Feb 3, 2017 23:17
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Rex-Goliath posted:when i graduated my college was starting to make a very real push to attract more women into the engineering department. i should call up my old professors and see if they got results to detour in to feminism land for a sec, it starts way earlier than that. from a young age girls are encouraged to divert away from science and math education both through socialization and through structural problems with the educational system. by the time they're recruiting for college many women have simply missed the math education that would enable them to participate in an engineering or cs degree. it's not a problem you can fix at any one stage. k12 education needs to be much more rigorous about putting boys and girls into the same programs and this needs to be federally enforced or boonie poo poo school districts will continue to send girls to knitting circle while the boys learn calculus. colleges need to build more "remedial" math into their engineering programs to help perfectly capable women get up to speed on math education that was denied them. employers who want to see more women in their workforces need to lobby their communities' regulators to push schools to do this stuff. they also need to pay enough to make it worth putting your kids in child care. black and hispanic kids have a totally different set of problems in terms of none of them having access to strong math educations due to poorly funded schools. black and hispanic women have both sets of problems (that's what intersectionality is, btw, if you'd never had it defined for you). it's cool and admirable that your alma mater is making an effort, but i worry sometimes colleges just see it as an advertising problem and figure if they do "outreach" women will just flow in. then they kick back and feel good about themselves. rarely do i see them actually sending roots out into the community to try to build an actual path into engineering for girls and minorities.
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Feb 3, 2017 23:18
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there are a bunch of billboards around sf though with black-and-white photos of dumpy male programmers lounging around in underwear. something about "the hottest programming talent"
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Feb 3, 2017 23:18
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yeah if I had a quarter of a billion dollars to spend on getting more women and minorities into tech I would probably look to underfunded schools and education programs and stuff to start with on the other hand, if I did do that, I would also not expect to see concrete results within two years in my company. maybe ten years later and lol at the idea of Google seeing a long-term project through. also at this point I would request more money
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Feb 3, 2017 23:27
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qntm posted:on the other hand, if I did do that, I would also not expect to see concrete results within two years in my company. maybe ten years later aaaaaaaaand here is the most fundamental problem with venture capital: total laser focus on short-term profits and quick turnaround for investors means anything with a long return timescale is ignored like everyone's heard the statistics about how every dollar put into basic research/education/national infrastructure makes back 50 bucks in GDP but it takes a couple of decades for the effects to be seen; kleiner perkins and andreesen horowitz and the other sociopath greedlords aren't having any of that poo poo
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Feb 3, 2017 23:33
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:to detour in to feminism land for a sec, it starts way earlier than that.[...] yeah exactly why i want to call them to see what the impact of the program was or if there even was any. basically comes down to how baked in gender norms are at that point and teenagers are still somewhat malleable. i don't know the fine details of the program but i'm not kidding when i say they put real effort into it. there were days where a bunch of highschools brought out only girl students and the engineering building was swamped with teen girls. the few female classmates we had were pulled out of classes so they could give talks, even women professors from the humanities department participated to encourage it. i want to believe that there was at least some impact but the more i think about it it might have just encouraged a small handful :\
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Rex-Goliath posted:yeah exactly why i want to call them to see what the impact of the program was or if there even was any. basically comes down to how baked in gender norms are at that point and teenagers are still somewhat malleable. i don't know the fine details of the program but i'm not kidding when i say they put real effort into it. there were days where a bunch of highschools brought out only girl students and the engineering building was swamped with teen girls. the few female classmates we had were pulled out of classes so they could give talks, even women professors from the humanities department participated to encourage it. i want to believe that there was at least some impact but the more i think about it it might have just encouraged a small handful :\ all events will only encourage a small handful, that's why you have to do a ton of them
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Feb 3, 2017 23:35
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Rex-Goliath posted:yeah exactly why i want to call them to see what the impact of the program was or if there even was any. basically comes down to how baked in gender norms are at that point and teenagers are still somewhat malleable. i don't know the fine details of the program but i'm not kidding when i say they put real effort into it. there were days where a bunch of highschools brought out only girl students and the engineering building was swamped with teen girls. the few female classmates we had were pulled out of classes so they could give talks, even women professors from the humanities department participated to encourage it. i want to believe that there was at least some impact but the more i think about it it might have just encouraged a small handful :\ that's really encouraging to hear
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Feb 3, 2017 23:36
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just sent a message to the engineering dean on facebook. he was a real cool dude but it looks like he moved on to a different university. hopefully he has some insights
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Feb 3, 2017 23:37
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hobbesmaster posted:all events will only encourage a small handful, that's why you have to do a ton of them i know there was more to it besides that one field trip as our professors asked said classmates if they'd volunteer to visit the local high schools but i have no idea what the level of engagement was besides the fact that it was a thing
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Feb 3, 2017 23:40
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hmm, girls
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Feb 3, 2017 23:55
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Rex-Goliath posted:yeah exactly why i want to call them to see what the impact of the program was or if there even was any. basically comes down to how baked in gender norms are at that point and teenagers are still somewhat malleable. i don't know the fine details of the program but i'm not kidding when i say they put real effort into it. there were days where a bunch of highschools brought out only girl students and the engineering building was swamped with teen girls. the few female classmates we had were pulled out of classes so they could give talks, even women professors from the humanities department participated to encourage it. i want to believe that there was at least some impact but the more i think about it it might have just encouraged a small handful :\ That sounds like a very cool program Bussing girls in from the local highschools seems to imply that those schools are themselves involved in at least some way, which is great
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Feb 4, 2017 00:19
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there's an easy way tech companies could increase diversity but it would mean actually having entry level positions that they currently farm out to outside vendors one of the good things about the bank I used to work at is if you were motivated there was a path from being a teller or clerical worker into better roles, a woman I used to work with started that way and ended up a senior manager investors are super focused on headcount but if google let the people who do their customer support [lol] and the like know what it took to move up there's people who would the main problem is the tech industry is used to being able to just pick from a pool of "perfect" candidates then apply all the usual culture fit bs
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Feb 4, 2017 00:46
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well sure. they have the product support forums where you can make thousands of posts and have none of your questions answered for years on end.
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hobbesmaster posted:google has customer support? remember google's customers = advertisers
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Feb 4, 2017 00:56
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I've even read stories of advertisers having trouble getting in touch with google - I think it's universal
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Feb 4, 2017 00:58
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i think the cloud stuff has real support if you pay for a support plan
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hobbesmaster posted:I've even read stories of advertisers having trouble getting in touch with google - I think it's universal If you spend enough you get a hotline. Also christmas presents. They're a bit poo poo, but have google stamped on them
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Feb 4, 2017 01:34
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qntm posted:yeah if I had a quarter of a billion dollars to spend on getting more women and minorities into tech I would probably look to underfunded schools and education programs and stuff to start with for the amount of money they throw around the tech companies should stop demanding the the world serve up the perfect employees on a platter and go make them themselves. ffs the local community college here has a $300M/yr budget and an annual enrollment greater than the total number of employees at Google. go to the underserved school districts and talk to the math and science teachers about their best students. then give those students an offer of the best programming instruction on the planet with a paycheck + benefits instead of tens of thousands of debt.
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Feb 4, 2017 03:56
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google apps has phone support, and so does google play
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Shifty Pony posted:for the amount of money they throw around the tech companies should stop demanding the the world serve up the perfect employees on a platter and go make them themselves. ffs the local community college here has a $300M/yr budget and an annual enrollment greater than the total number of employees at Google. thats socialism
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fart simpson posted:thats socialism fine. capitalism it up a bit and they could skim off the cream of the graduating crop then charge out the rear end for other companies to have access to the ones they don't want.
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Feb 4, 2017 04:33
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or maybe gently caress the employees???
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Feb 4, 2017 05:23
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So how much of that unpaid internship stuff does Google do? Or for that matter, do they do the poo poo I've heard of where prospective interns have to pay themselves for the right to work unpaid? Also I work in a r&d engineering team which is 50/50 gender split, and the boss is female. It's actually a really pleasant environment that, being an engineer, I'd never experienced before.
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Feb 4, 2017 05:50
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i've always heard that google's developer internships are paid, but that's pretty normal for the field
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Crazy Achmed posted:So how much of that unpaid internship stuff does Google do? Or for that matter, do they do the poo poo I've heard of where prospective interns have to pay themselves for the right to work unpaid? I've had more than a few Google interns live with me so I'd guess the housing stipend is a flat amount of free cash.
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ShadowHawk posted:This article from 2013 says that Google interns make the equivalent of 80k/year in salary and have all housing/travel covered (plus on campus food). yeah no living expenses if they live in a weird and gross flophouse
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oh its fine, its a super cool job. here's the production lines, employee bathrooms (2 per 150), oh the net? dont worry about the net. lol no. no dont. well sometimes people throw themselves off the roof, but its not our fault. oh well if you still wanna work he-ah sweet. you have to work here beacuse your family has no money. Ka-ching as my boss says. welcome to the flophouse bitch
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Powaqoatse posted:oh its fine, its a super cool job. here's the production lines, employee bathrooms (2 per 150), oh the net? dont worry about the net. lol no. no dont. well sometimes people throw themselves off the roof, but its not our fault. oh well if you still wanna work he-ah sweet. you have to work here beacuse your family has no money. Ka-ching as my boss says. 
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sorry man but death to landlords
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hobbesmaster posted:google has customer support? I know they have a maps team cold calling small businesses and an AdWords team, obviously outsourced
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Maximum Leader posted:I know they have a maps team cold calling small businesses pretty sure that's a scam fwiw, the geo org is very focused on getting users to supply data themselves. also i occasionally have reason to dive into reading the feedback reports for various google products and i can tell you the reason almost all feedback goes unanswered is because far greater than 99% of it is completely incomprehensible
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Powaqoatse posted:sorry man but death to landlords I just rent a large house because I like having roommates
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