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Bhodi
Dec 9, 2007

Oh, it's just a cat.
Pillbug

geonetix posted:

Best advice? Got big German clients? Make sure you're doing what you've said you were doing ;-).
my takeaway was to keep your cloud away from zee germans, it cannot be profitable and you will regret it

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infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
well, you can expand this to the entire eu now. there is no way to ensure compliance with existing eu privacy legislation if you use an american owned cloud service

Chalks
Sep 30, 2009

It's a really big deal, if MS and other cloud providers can't guarantee that data stored in the EU is subject to EU data protections then they'll literally lose all EU businesses since it'll become illegal to store data there.

To make things even more interesting, there's pretty much no alternative either.

How exciting. As an EU customer of MS datacenters all I can say is that I'm glad that much bigger companies than mine are going to have to solve this problem before I do.

crazysim
May 23, 2004
I AM SOOOOO GAY
Denuvo forgets to secure server, leaks years of messages from game makers
https://arstechnica.com/security/2017/02/denuvo-forgets-to-secure-server-leaks-years-of-messages-from-game-makers/

https://torrentfreak.com/crackers-swarm-as-denuvo-website-leaks-secret-information-170205/


It's interesting to see that there was interest from Google in Denuvo.

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

quote:

confused "why won't this game work" queries from apparent pirates

apparent pirates my rear end, the author of this article has never tried to play a game that uses dodgy restrictive DRM in their life

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

quote isn't edit, ffff

Malcolm XML
Aug 8, 2009

I always knew it would end like this.

crazysim posted:

Denuvo forgets to secure server, leaks years of messages from game makers
https://arstechnica.com/security/2017/02/denuvo-forgets-to-secure-server-leaks-years-of-messages-from-game-makers/

https://torrentfreak.com/crackers-swarm-as-denuvo-website-leaks-secret-information-170205/


It's interesting to see that there was interest from Google in Denuvo.

probably for browser security ?

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

crazysim posted:

Denuvo forgets to secure server, leaks years of messages from game makers
https://arstechnica.com/security/2017/02/denuvo-forgets-to-secure-server-leaks-years-of-messages-from-game-makers/

https://torrentfreak.com/crackers-swarm-as-denuvo-website-leaks-secret-information-170205/


It's interesting to see that there was interest from Google in Denuvo.

between this and re7 getting cracked in less than a week 2017 hasn't been going well for them

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

The_Franz posted:

between this and re7 getting cracked in less than a week 2017 hasn't been going well for them

do they even care about games getting cracked? i thought all games were cracked within a week of like the press copies leaving the publisher's office and everyone just accepted that, do game companies still do that thing where they drum up a bunch of press on how THIS ONE'S UNCRACKABLE BOYS and then act surprised when it's cracked in under a week?

Deep Dish Fuckfest
Sep 6, 2006

Advanced
Computer Touching


Toilet Rascal
i think the idea is that they know it's bullshit, but by forcing pirates to download a crack in addition to the game itself they increase the chance of those filthy thieves getting a bad case of the cryptolocker which is exactly what they deserve the fuckers. this is basically the only way any of it makes sense

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem
my understanding was that they really care a lot about pirated copies not appearing before your legit customers get their hands on the officially released version. long-tail sales have always been pretty garbage in comparison to launch day for aaa games, so you really don't want pirates cutting into those launch day sales

after that who really cares, but it's not like you're going to spend actual money on patching out drm later, since that gives you literally no benefit

pseudorandom name
May 6, 2007

Jabor posted:

after that who really cares, but it's not like you're going to spend actual money on patching out drm later, since that gives you literally no benefit

besides ending the payments you're making to your DRM provider

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Jabor posted:

my understanding was that they really care a lot about pirated copies not appearing before your legit customers get their hands on the officially released version. long-tail sales have always been pretty garbage in comparison to launch day for aaa games, so you really don't want pirates cutting into those launch day sales

after that who really cares, but it's not like you're going to spend actual money on patching out drm later, since that gives you literally no benefit

Pretty much this. If you can delay a crack appearing for a week, you've forced someone who wants to play but would have gotten a pirated version into buying it (assuming that this person wants to play it so much that they'll pay money)

Then there's this:

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/3030/keeping_the_pirates_at_bay.php posted:

Two months may not seem like a long time, but between 30 and 50 percent of most games' total sales occur in that time. Approximately 50 percent of the total sales of Spyro 2, up to December 2000, were in the first two months. Even games released in the middle of the year rather than the holiday season, such as Eidetic's Syphon Filter, make 30 percent of their total sales in the first two months. If YOTD follows the same trend, as it almost certainly will, those two to three months when pirated versions were unavailable must have reduced the overall level and impact of piracy. On top of this, since YOTD was released in Europe one month after the U.S., those two months protected early European sales from pirated copies of the U.S. version.

The article is pretty great if you haven't seen it yet. No idea how well this holds up in 2017, but it definitely used to be true.

Angela Merkle Tree
Jan 4, 2012

the definition of open: "mkdir android ; cd android ; repo init -u git://android.git.kernel.org/platform/manifest.git ; repo sync ; make"
College Slice
denuvo does actually work if integrated properly, by virtue of being a cryptographic virtual machine running essential parts of the game engine. just cause 3 still hasn't been cracked and that's a year old at this point

Theris
Oct 9, 2007

Volmarias posted:

The article is pretty great if you haven't seen it yet. No idea how well this holds up in 2017, but it definitely used to be true.

Nothing written about PC piracy during the time when home broadband was a thing but Steam and pals weren't yet is valid in 2017. Piracy was rampant then because it was literally easier to pirate a game than it was to buy it. The opposite is true now, and DRM doesn't change the equation much.

long-ass nips Diane
Dec 13, 2010

Breathe.

ate all the Oreos posted:

do they even care about games getting cracked? i thought all games were cracked within a week of like the press copies leaving the publisher's office and everyone just accepted that, do game companies still do that thing where they drum up a bunch of press on how THIS ONE'S UNCRACKABLE BOYS and then act surprised when it's cracked in under a week?

No, with a couple of exceptions, until RE7 it'd taken months to crack Denuvo if it got cracked at all.

A Pinball Wizard
Mar 23, 2005

I know every trick, no freak's gonna beat my hands

College Slice
wasn't there a ruling in another court like a week ago that no the us can't just grab anyone's data from anywhere just bc the hosting company is american? does this decision override it or are there two opposing opinions now?

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum

Angela Merkle Tree posted:

denuvo does actually work if integrated properly, by virtue of being a cryptographic virtual machine running essential parts of the game engine. just cause 3 still hasn't been cracked and that's a year old at this point
well the biggest difference is that people want to play a new resident evil game

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

A Pinball Wizard posted:

wasn't there a ruling in another court like a week ago that no the us can't just grab anyone's data from anywhere just bc the hosting company is american? does this decision override it or are there two opposing opinions now?

it was in like the very first sentence of the article

Pile Of Garbage
May 28, 2007



Volmarias posted:

The printernet of poo poo

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




ate all the Oreos posted:

do they even care about games getting cracked? i thought all games were cracked within a week of like the press copies leaving the publisher's office and everyone just accepted that, do game companies still do that thing where they drum up a bunch of press on how THIS ONE'S UNCRACKABLE BOYS and then act surprised when it's cracked in under a week?
they don't do that press poo poo, and long since have made observable reaction to game crack. however, denuvo has been fairly good until now. much like the better anti-piracy systems of the past

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




anthonypants posted:

well the biggest difference is that people want to play a new resident evil game
just cause 3 outsold resident evil 7, on pc, by an order of magnitude

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

cinci zoo sniper posted:

just cause 3 outsold resident evil 7, on pc, by an order of magnitude

RE7 has only been out for like a week and a half

also it's been cracked so that just means that piracy is an order of magnitude worse than everyone thinks!!!!!!!

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




ate all the Oreos posted:

RE7 has only been out for like a week and a half

also it's been cracked so that just means that piracy is an order of magnitude worse than everyone thinks!!!!!!!

oooahHhHh!!!!!

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




story on google vs godzilla ddos on krebs https://arstechnica.com/security/2017/02/how-google-fought-back-against-a-crippling-iot-powered-botnet-and-won/

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






Capcom probably hosed up the implementation of the DRM and now denuvo is getting the bad press lol

crazysim
May 23, 2004
I AM SOOOOO GAY

spankmeister posted:

Capcom probably hosed up the implementation of the DRM and now denuvo is getting the bad press lol

i'm pretty sure these accessible backups of all emails is much, much worse bad press.

Crime on a Dime
Nov 28, 2006
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gRWlmxom7I

anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
van eck phreaking is cool, gangstalking less so

aardvaard
Mar 4, 2013

you belong in the bog of eternal stench

Angela Merkle Tree posted:

denuvo does actually work if integrated properly, by virtue of being a cryptographic virtual machine running essential parts of the game engine. just cause 3 still hasn't been cracked and that's a year old at this point

probably more because of the heavily integrated always online bullshit

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

my company's web site was hacked. I don't know the details, but I doubt that someone burned a zero-day on it. I also somewhat doubt that we have clean backups.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Subjunctive posted:

I also somewhat doubt that we have clean backups.

nice av/post combo there

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

24 hours to restore, including "malware scan"

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Pro-click.

pseudorandom name
May 6, 2007

CommunistPancake posted:

probably more because of the heavily integrated always online bullshit

how do you think they "heavily integrate" it, if not the "cryptographic virtual machine"

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

pseudorandom name posted:

how do you think they "heavily integrate" it, if not the "cryptographic virtual machine"

presumably the cryptographic virtual machine does not necessarily imply that it runs using heavily integrated always-online functions

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
denuvo isn't always online, but it does stop working if it can't get online for more than 5 days, presumably to get new keys.

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

spankmeister posted:

Capcom probably hosed up the implementation of the DRM and now denuvo is getting the bad press lol

all of the old denuvo games have been getting retroactively cracked, so it's likely that the cracking group just has it figured out at this point

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender
https://www.wired.com/2017/02/russians-engineer-brilliant-slot-machine-cheat-casinos-no-fix/

quote:

IN EARLY JUNE 2014, accountants at the Lumiere Place Casino in St. Louis noticed that several of their slot machines had—just for a couple of days—gone haywire. The government-approved software that powers such machines gives the house a fixed mathematical edge, so that casinos can be certain of how much they’ll earn over the long haul—say, 7.129 cents for every dollar played. But on June 2 and 3, a number of Lumiere’s machines had spit out far more money than they’d consumed, despite not awarding any major jackpots, an aberration known in industry parlance as a negative hold. Since code isn’t prone to sudden fits of madness, the only plausible explanation was that someone was cheating.

Casino security pulled up the surveillance tapes and eventually spotted the culprit, a black-haired man in his thirties who wore a Polo zip-up and carried a square brown purse. Unlike most slots cheats, he didn’t appear to tinker with any of the machines he targeted, all of which were older models manufactured by Aristocrat Leisure of Australia. Instead he’d simply play, pushing the buttons on a game like Star Drifter or Pelican Pete while furtively holding his iPhone close to the screen.

He’d walk away after a few minutes, then return a bit later to give the game a second chance. That’s when he’d get lucky. The man would parlay a $20 to $60 investment into as much as $1,300 before cashing out and moving on to another machine, where he’d start the cycle anew. Over the course of two days, his winnings tallied just over $21,000. The only odd thing about his behavior during his streaks was the way he’d hover his finger above the Spin button for long stretches before finally jabbing it in haste; typical slots players don’t pause between spins like that.

On June 9, Lumiere Place shared its findings with the Missouri Gaming Commission, which in turn issued a statewide alert. Several casinos soon discovered that they had been cheated the same way, though often by different men than the one who’d bilked Lumiere Place. In each instance, the perpetrator held a cell phone close to an Aristocrat Mark VI model slot machine shortly before a run of good fortune.

By examining rental-car records, Missouri authorities identified the Lumiere Place scammer as Murat Bliev, a 37-year-old Russian national. Bliev had flown back to Moscow on June 6, but the St. Petersburg–based organization he worked for, which employs dozens of operatives to manipulate slot machines around the world, quickly sent him back to the United States to join another cheating crew. The decision to redeploy Bliev to the US would prove to be a rare misstep for a venture that’s quietly making millions by cracking some of the gaming industry’s most treasured algorithms.

:rip:

read the rest too

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Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

The_Franz posted:

so it's likely that the cracking group just has it figured out at this point

either that or it has something to do with

https://twitter.com/alt_kia/status/818609521928998912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

if you have full debug access to your cpu, hahahaha drm? lol nope.

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