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orange sky posted:Don't they have much more to lose than to win? If alien beings observed humanity, this would be their number one remark.
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orange sky posted:So uh are the dutch really thinking of going far right and if so and they leave the EU will people still use it as a tax haven? Don't they have much more to lose than to win? Based on my listening of a dutch complain about their political parties, they get to choose between neoliberals, labor party that after elections will strip off their skinsuit and reveal that they were neoliberals all along, and nazis. There's Dutch politics thread in C-Spam, they could probably tell more.
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throw to first drat IT posted:Based on my listening of a dutch complain about their political parties, they get to choose between neoliberals, labor party that after elections will strip off their skinsuit and reveal that they were neoliberals all along, and nazis. How many western democracies don't have this political paradigm?
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Feb 7, 2017 08:47
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:How many western democracies don't have this political paradigm? Spain and Portugal I guess
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The Netherlands isn't going to go far-right, the PVV (Geert Wilders's * I suppose you could call the FYGM senior citizens party a leftist party though; if you add support for that one, support for leftist parties is by and large at traditional levels, i.e. around 40% of the vote. Pluskut Tukker fucked around with this message at 09:33 on Feb 7, 2017 |
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Yeah Geert Wilders is going to be the 'big winner', but in relative terms, he is not actually going to get the largest number of votes. That prerogative is for the neoliberals. However depending on the parliament seat division we might end up with Geert Wilders in a coalition government with said neoliberals to make a neoliberal-nazi government. so yeah good times are upon us.
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in good news https://twitter.com/AFP/status/828887412231188480
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Holland's big three traditional parties consist of: - liberals that after being in power for 8 years claim that their policies are what got the nation out of a economic crisis that lasted just as long, while very publicly breaking election promises to get there. - labor that presided over the largest budget cuts in the nation's history, specifically targeting elderly healthcare and education, while slashing workers' rights. - christians in a country where most high school kids can't tell you why easter is a holiday. Wilder's party is currently leading the polls, but with a projected 20-25% still relatively small. The bigger problem is that to avoid giving him say in the government, there would have to be another left-right bridge, this time of the Frankenstein variety. The two times that was tried it turned out to be suicide for the left. Another option is getting in bed with christians so conservative they founded their party to repeal women's right to vote. Interesting times. you feelin fucky fucked around with this message at 10:55 on Feb 7, 2017 |
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Flowers For Algeria posted:*victory dance* Fillon, Sarko, they're dropping like flies!
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Kurtofan posted:Spain and Portugal I guess Oh no, trust me, we get the same bullshit "center left" as everyone else, the difference I think comes from the fact that in Spain and Portugal the last fascist dictatorship is still within living memory, but even that added resistance will be overcome if things don't change. Fortunately the last election that forced the "center left" party to ally with the communists has given Portugal a breather but this is a one time thing only made possible by a combination of austerity saturation with a weakened "socialist" party. MeLKoR fucked around with this message at 11:05 on Feb 7, 2017 |
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What happened to the idea of Portugal's Old Big Chief becoming the Khan of the EU?
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:What happened to the idea of Portugal's Old Big Chief becoming the Khan of the EU? What? MeLKoR posted:Oh no, trust me, we get the same bullshit "center left" as everyone else, the difference I think comes from the fact that in Spain and Portugal the last fascist dictatorship is still within living memory, but even that added resistance will be overcome if things don't change. Fortunately the last election that forced the "center left" party to ally with the communists has given Portugal a breather but this is a one time thing only made possible by a combination of austerity saturation with a weakened "socialist" party. It was also made possible cause Costa was watching his political career come to a terminal end in that night, but he really wanted to be PM and send all those PS nutters like Assis and Beleza back to the gremlin caves they came from. The man worked his whole life to that moment, to become PM of Portugal, and he was not going to be denied by nonsense poo poo like "coming in second on election night" and a 40 year old grudge with the Communist Party.
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Electronico6 posted:What? KoldPT posted a few pages back that _Portuguese_political_man_whose_name_I_can't_remember_ would be a perfect replacement for Barroso, in a perfect way so perfect it cannot be allowed to happen by the liberal elites. I can't even google that poo poo, senility is a bitch.
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Sarkozy's good friends in the Judiciary will surely go easy on him  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/07/nicolas-sarkozy-to-face-trial-over-2012-campaign-financing?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:KoldPT posted a few pages back that _Portuguese_political_man_whose_name_I_can't_remember_ would be a perfect replacement for Barroso, in a perfect way so perfect it cannot be allowed to happen by the liberal elites. Only guy that'd fit for me would be António Guterres, no one else comes to mind. But yeah he's already got other stuff on his mind like doing damage control on a man baby in the US. Pluskut Tukker posted:The Netherlands isn't going to go far-right, the PVV (Geert Wilders's In this day and age all it'd take to sweep up elections in most of the countries would be to run on full transparency, a la Sweden or Denmark. But then again to even be able to be heard you need 10 years of corruption and nepotism behind you so no one does this. My theory for not a lot of "good people" going forward with politics (and I'm purely projecting here) is that we've all got a past. If you're morally conscious, you are afraid of one or another thing you did in the past getting out. If you completely don't give a gently caress you go ahead. By not giving a gently caress, you are a bad politician. It's crazy. orange sky fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Feb 7, 2017 |
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orange sky posted:Only guy that'd fit for me would be António Guterres, no one else comes to mind. But yeah he's already got other stuff on his mind like doing damage control on a man baby in the US. Barroso aided the invasion of Iraq, and worst of all, abandoned Portugal and left it at the mercy of the human sleaze that is Santana Lopes. Whatever poo poo Guterres was up to in his time doesn't even begin to compare to the poo poo Zé Manel Barroso pulled.
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orange sky posted:In this day and age all it'd take to sweep up elections in most of the countries would be to run on full transparency, a la Sweden or Denmark.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Full transparency?? I mean, I get that the standards might be really low in some countries, but we have a serious issue here in Denmark with a lack of transparency in politics too. Why do I have the feeling that Denmark's lack of transparency ills are about maybe one cab bill paid for with public money while Portugal's are about millions of euros sailing off to offshore accounts? I may be wrong though.
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orange sky posted:Only guy that'd fit for me would be António Guterres, no one else comes to mind. But yeah he's already got other stuff on his mind like doing damage control on a man baby in the US. just a reminder that our pm is a 49 yo single man living with his mother
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you feelin fucky posted:just a reminder that our pm is a 49 yo single man living with his mother loving millennials man
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:Why do I have the feeling that Denmark's lack of transparency ills are about maybe one cab bill paid for with public money while Portugal's are about millions of euros sailing off to offshore accounts? Yeah one of our old PMs is accused of getting bribes in a total of like 30M €. So it's not like there's a problem with them having lunch all day at the Ritz on the expense of the taxpayer (they do), the problem is much more ingrained in our society. An example - when the leader of the main social institute (Santa Casa da Misericórdia) was asked "OK, you heard about illegalities in some contracts, favoring always the same companies. Did you report it to the compentent authorities?" he answered "Oh, I don't like doing that, I'm not a snitch." This is actually a headline, this happened. http://www.sabado.pt/portugal/detalhe/santana_lopes_nao_gosto_de_enviar_nada_para_o_diap_porque_nao_sou_bufo.html Guess what, no one gave a poo poo 'cause we're all so corrupt. Thing is, we're only corrupt because we can. If the laws change, culture changes. No one seems to understand that and we continue on with the whole "rich defense brigade" poo poo we always did because hey, we might be rich as well some day! Don't wanna gently caress it up for ourselves do we?
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orange sky posted:Yeah one of our old PMs is accused of getting bribes in a total of like 30M €. So it's not like there's a problem with them having lunch all day at the Ritz on the expense of the taxpayer (they do), the problem is much more ingrained in our society. Hey look at that Electronico6 posted:the human sleaze that is Santana Lopes. Santana is loving trash. Proper trash. He is also a former football club president which makes him an even bigger crook than the rest.(triple so, as that club was Sporting)
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:Why do I have the feeling that Denmark's lack of transparency ills are about maybe one cab bill paid for with public money while Portugal's are about millions of euros sailing off to offshore accounts?
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Electronico6 posted:It was also made possible cause Costa was watching his political career come to a terminal end in that night, but he really wanted to be PM and send all those PS nutters like Assis and Beleza back to the gremlin caves they came from. The man worked his whole life to that moment, to become PM of Portugal, and he was not going to be denied by nonsense poo poo like "coming in second on election night" and a 40 year old grudge with the Communist Party. And thank god for that. Mind you, I still think this government is poo poo, they aren't tackling any of the underlying issues that caused this poo poo. The only tiny step in doing something that matters - the 3% property tax on properties over €600k - they backed down. Still, just having a pause in the rear end loving to apply some salve and a new coating of lube is paradise compared with the alternative. But the fact remains, unless something is done to start tackling the oligarchy it's a matter of when not if people will start following the general trend and throwing up the game board in hope that however the pieces fall it won't be worse. orange sky posted:Only guy that'd fit for me would be António Guterres, no one else comes to mind. But yeah he's already got other stuff on his mind like doing damage control on a man baby in the US. MeLKoR fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Feb 7, 2017 |
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orange sky posted:This is actually a headline, this happened. By the way, this man tanked the capital economy in hundreds of millions of debt due to megalomaniac shady businesses while he was mayor and then did a few months as prime minister before being deposed because he was too terrible even for this shithole. He's like a poor man's Berlusconi wannabe without the money or media empire. And that doesn't prevent his name for being mentioned as a possible candidate for whatever once in a while.
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Working in a French administration can be grueling, but not today. Today, we had a leaving do for a colleague and it was just enjoyable. If they ever pass legislation banning social drinking at work, there'll be riots in the streets, let me tell you.
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Flowers For Algeria posted:If they ever pass legislation banning social drinking at work, there'll be riots in the streets, let me tell you. I mean it's banned at my work but since I work in public transport that is probably a good idea
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In other news FIllon's wife still didn't work but she got 45000€ as a severance package for her fake jobs, according to the canard enchainé.
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unpacked robinhood posted:In other news FIllon's wife still didn't work but she got 45000€ as a severance package for her fake jobs, according to the canard enchainé. In the immortal words of Pepe the frog: "topkek"
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unpacked robinhood posted:In other news FIllon's wife still didn't work but she got 45000€ as a severance package for her fake jobs, according to the canard enchainé. Why the gently caress would you do this stupid poo poo. Like is he poor outside politics or something? Is he paying blood money to a bunch of Corsican mobsters? Is he a gambling addict? How did he think this woild never be found out? Is there a secret French constitution that forces their politicians to engage in some really retarded scandals at a certain point of their career so there will never be another 18 Brumaire? DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Feb 7, 2017 |
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DarkCrawler posted:Why the gently caress would you do this stupid poo poo. Like is he poor outside politics or something? Is he paying blood money to a bunch of Corsican mobsters? Is he a gambling addict? How did he think this woild never be found out? Is there a secret French constitution that forces their politicians to engage in some really retarded scandals at a certain point of their career so there will never be another 18 Brumaire? According to documents he published today, he has a net worth of about 1 million € (~900k€ real estate, 100k€ in savings, plus various assets and debts) Which, you know, coincidentally,
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MeLKoR posted:And thank god for that. Mind you, I still think this government is poo poo, they aren't tackling any of the underlying issues that caused this poo poo. The only tiny step in doing something that matters - the 3% property tax on properties over €600k - they backed down. Holy poo poo the unholy offspring of Salazar Reagan and Thatcher would be perfect.im fairly certain that our current president will try it sometime in the future . Also Life is marginaly better in Portugal,manly because the main measures agreed between the goverment of ps and the communist Part and the left bloc where implemented.now that those are done the left k eeps pushing for more but ps is kicking the can down the Road.its a strategy that is blatantly transparent and s houldnt work but as i keep saying, Portugal is a spectacular country,except for the people living in it.were dumb as bricks.
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Kassad posted:He also lives in a literal castle: While true, the chateau isn't worth as much as you'd think and is ruinous to maintain. That said, his net worth strikes me as a bit low though no doubt the kids are probably sitting on quite a lot of his actual wealth.
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I had no idea Frexit sentiment was so high https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/829074944629800962
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julian assflange posted:While true, the chateau isn't worth as much as you'd think and is ruinous to maintain. That describes castles in general, they're cheap precisely because maintenance is such a burden.
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Pissflaps posted:I had no idea Frexit sentiment was so high I had no idea it was so low!
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