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Johnny Aztec posted:Yes, but did you watch the "webisodes" that were put out after the cancellation? The biggest thing was that they were victim to lovely technology and video limitations. They could easily get a season or such on Netflix but back in 2000 they were stuck with dial-up friendly video clips and time limitations, and a very ill-advised attempt to write according to what they thought the Internet crowd was. Honestly, I'm not sure why they haven't tried getting a season on Netflix to see what happens. Most of the people are still around and Jay Sherman sure as hell hasn't gotten stale. Oh, and this is a Simpsons thread. Honestly, I can't even remember why I stopped watching. I've seen bits and pieces of the show but the whole thing is moving wallpaper at this point. It's going to be 30 years old at least before it's all said and done and I'm not even interested in it anymore. It's going to be what SNL and Weird Al are to comedy: great when you were first introduced to it, and not much after you get out of its orbit.
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Last Chance posted:I thought the movie really sucked, but the consensus is that it's okay-ish? I thought it was very humdrum, run-of-the-mill poo poo. It was, which is a huge improvement compared to the last 15 or so years.
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I remember reading an interview with Matt Groening a few years ago where he said that making the animation as stiff and stale as possible was something he personally started enforcing around seasons 9-11 and that it was 'really important to the integrity of the show' because he wanted the writing to stick in people's minds instead of the visuals, and that old Hanna-Barbara cartoons that reused animations and backgrounds all the time were basically the standard he wanted to get to, and I honestly couldn't tell whether or not he was just taking the piss.
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I remember when the movie came out I was still just barely clinging to my Simpsons obsession, and sitting through it was one of the most awkward moments I've ever had in a theater. The audience was laughing, but you could just feel that everyone was forcing laughter because they felt like they should be laughing. I've watched it only one time since then, it doesn't hold up, it's exactly as bad as any other random zombie Simpsons episode where they're just trying SO hard to cram jokes into every single line and moment but most of them are falling flat. This thread seems to pop up every few months in GBS and it's always interesting to see everyone's different interpretations of when and why it stopped being good, though a lot of them are incorrect talking points that always pop up on the internet and won't die, like: "It went to poo poo when the writers left for Futurama." - False, it was already declining by this point, it just so happened that Futurama premiered only shortly after the classic era of The Simpsons ended. See also "when it decided to start mimicking Family Guy" (which it never really did) "After Conan left the show." - Conan only wrote a few episodes and left before the decline. Yes the show was written as a committee but Conan was *edit - whoops* - just never really that major of a player in the show's success. "Armin Tanzarian episode" - whether you like or hate the episode, it just happened to fall right at the beginning of season 9. There's a drastic difference between season 8 and season 9 due to Mike Scully taking over as showrunner and feeling that the show should be edgier and that the rules the show had established for itself should be challenged. Also it's true that anyone who thinks the love of the old episodes is just out of nostalgia owes it to themselves to head over to SimpsonsWorld.com and just choose literally any episode from seasons 3-7. They're legit good and they hold up very well. Season 2 is also actually very good and has this kind of darker, depressing tone about it, but it isn't as funny as 3-7. Season 1 is laughably archaic, but amazing to see how drastically the show improved in just one year. Season 8 is mostly still great but you start to see tropes of the later seasons creeping in. SweetMercifulCrap! fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Feb 7, 2017 |
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Feb 7, 2017 20:20
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Conan was what? edit: oh, okay. PallasAthene fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Feb 7, 2017 |
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sweetmercifulcrap posted:"Armin Tanzarian episode" - whether you like or hate the episode, it just happened to fall right at the beginning of season 9. There's a drastic difference between season 8 and season 9 due to Mike Scully taking over as showrunner and feeling that the show should be edgier and that the rules the show had established for itself should be challenged. The Principal and The Pauper isn't even that bad by terrible episode standards. Yeah, it's a garbage concept for an episode and insults the viewer's intelligence, but pick out any random episode from, let's say, 2007 to the present, and Armin Tanzarian is a brilliant idea in contrast. At least there is a concept behind that episode vs. some run-of-the-mill zombie afterthought that came years later.
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Cough Drop The Beat posted:The Principal and The Pauper isn't even that bad by terrible episode standards. Yeah, it's a garbage concept for an episode and insults the viewer's intelligence, but pick out any random episode from, let's say, 2007 to the present, and Armin Tanzarian is a brilliant idea in contrast. At least there is a concept behind that episode vs. some run-of-the-mill zombie afterthought that came years later. This, and also I think the backlash it received only proves the point they were trying to make in the first place. It's honestly possibly the most interesting episode of The Simpsons in that regard. I think it "works" if you view it as a thought experiment and not entirely canonical. Earlier in the thread it was mentioned that the episode should have conveyed that to to the audience. A last minute reveal that this was Skinner writing a fictionalized autobiography of himself, or something of that nature could have fixed that, but also would dilute the concept.
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Another point I'd make against Principal and the Pauper is that Itchy, Scratchy, and Poochie had already made all the same points, but did in within the context of the show. It was also just funnier all around despite the super cringe-y scene where they use Bart as a proxy for their "not like you nerds could do any better" rant even though it makes no sense for Bart's character to hold such a position. The iconic scenes with the kids focus group and "Poochie died on the way back to his home planet" more than make up for that. To be clear, this is not to say "Principal and the Pauper" was the low point. I just see it as one of the first cracks in the dam.
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"allow me to respond with a question: why would a man whose shirt says 'genius at work' spend his time watching a children's cartoon?"
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sweetmercifulcrap posted:I remember when the movie came out I was still just barely clinging to my Simpsons obsession, and sitting through it was one of the most awkward moments I've ever had in a theater. The audience was laughing, but you could just feel that everyone was forcing laughter because they felt like they should be laughing. I've watched it only one time since then, it doesn't hold up, it's exactly as bad as any other random zombie Simpsons episode where they're just trying SO hard to cram jokes into every single line and moment but most of them are falling flat. The most memorable thing about the Simpsons movie was that the guy selling bootleg DVDs of it on the Philly subway was really attractive. I watched it once, was wholly unimpressed, and then lost it in a move some years later.
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I have to say I am shocked that this thread wasn't ten pages of "gently caress that episode with the racehorse and the jockey elves."
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I enjoyed the movie the one time I saw it (in theater) but me and my friend had drank and smoked a bunch in the parking lot before hand. I'm sure it wouldn't be great as a sober rewatch a decade later on
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I have to say I am shocked that this thread wasn't ten pages of "gently caress that episode with the racehorse and the jockey elves." I remember seeing that episode as a kid and liking it but as an adult it doesn't even feel like a simpsons episode. It's like something gravity falls or adventure time would do
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Aesop Poprock posted:I remember seeing that episode as a kid and liking it but as an adult it doesn't even feel like a simpsons episode. It's like something gravity falls or adventure time would do I think it's a good example of an episode that's actually pretty funny and well-animated, but gets ragged on relentlessly because it was jarringly unlike any episode prior to it.
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All I remember of the movie was Green Day and Lisa gettin' preachy <10 minutes in. Couldn't take more than that.
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Drunken Baker posted:Don't even think they showed the Critic here in England at the time, but it was still a great episode. They definitely didn't here in Australia so we had no loving idea who this Jay Sherman fella was but the episode was still amusing. The thing about the Armin episode to me is while the plot is bizarre there's still good jokes in it. Nowadays there's no good jokes to redeem anything
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spider pig might be the worst thing to come from the simpsons because despite being unequivocally terrible i remember hearing people singing that loving song constantly. like the simpsons movie was their last chance to recapture what made the show great and instead we got spider pig and the eskimo lady with the giant tits.
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Simpsons Movie is a movie feels like a project that shouldn't have even been taken on until a year or so after the series ended so you could just turn that into a series of movies, sort of like various Muppet films. The sort of problem is that you almost can't do a big screen romp given how much the show has already done without retreading already worn ground. Something like "Simpsons in Japan" or "Simpsons go to Europe" or "Homer in Space" could have probably been these big concepts milked for a 90 minute movie if you threw in some extra B storyline material for the family members to do, some big celebrity cameos or something.
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Feb 8, 2017 05:07
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Homer gets raped by SPACE pandas.
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PallasAthene posted:Did the Simpsons writers make up a conversation from Marge like they did with Barbara Bush, or was that a joke cover for an interview with Matt Groeining? I believe they did a fake interview with Marge. I know Matt Groening personally drew the other pictures in the issue, which you should not go googling for and when you invariably do, remember that Marge was based on his own mother.
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Aesop Poprock posted:but me and my friend had drank and smoked a bunch in the parking lot before hand. Classy
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The answer is simple. We kill the simpson.
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I think the episode where Rodney Dangerfield played Mr Burns' estranged son and his character got written out at the end was a worse episode than Principal and the Pauper. It had a similar "screw you, we're pretending this never happened" ending and It wasn't even a good use of a talented guest star.
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The only good joke in the Rodney Dangerfield episode was when he starts talking to himself and then realizes what he was doing.
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Episodes where the plot centers heavily around a new one-off character like that were rare in the good seasons but they went on to use it so often that it's basically a lazy sitcom writing trope now.
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super sweet best pal posted:I think the episode where Rodney Dangerfield played Mr Burns' estranged son and his character got written out at the end was a worse episode than Principal and the Pauper. It had a similar "screw you, we're pretending this never happened" ending and It wasn't even a good use of a talented guest star. The guy who wrote that episode is responsible for some of the worst poo poo eps that occurred while I was still watching it, including the NYC one, the tomacco one, the garbage man one, and the one where Maude dies. And the Marge getting implants one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Maxtone-Graham#Writing_credits Other writing credits include the infamous SNL "canteen boy" sketch that's either a joke about gay people or child molestation being funny, depending on how you look at it.
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Scudworth posted:The guy who wrote that episode is responsible for some of the worst poo poo eps that occurred while I was still watching it, including the NYC one, the tomacco one, the garbage man one, and the one where Maude dies. And the Marge getting implants one. Haha, he's won 6 Emmys and he's now an executive producer. He's been so handsomely rewarded for making GBS threads up the Simpsons.
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In the early 2000s, there was a Treehouse of Horror episode where one of the bits involved Springfield getting rid of all of its guns, which brought Billy the Kid, a different Wild West outlaw, and Kaiser Wilhelm II back from the dead. They proceed to terrorize the town, and after it's resolved, somebody (maybe it was Moe?) says something about "getting me a cavewoman hooker." That was a truly awful bit of Simpsons history. People here have talked about The Simpsons being "mean-spirited" lately, and I'll take their word for it. It's a shame, because while classic Simpsons was subversive and cynical about society, it always had love for its characters, especially the family. Sucks to see it fall into the same trap as Family Guy has.
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My favorite shockingly brutal Simpsons joke is the one in the Treehouse of Horror where Homer accidentally full on murders the president and his opponent by asphyxiation, on screen, naked in the silence of space. It's so gruesome lmao and the little "...oh, no." when he sees it never fails to crack me up.
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I really like Burns Baby Burns cos it introduced me to Rodney Dangerfield and Anyway You Want It.
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Cobweb Heart posted:My favorite shockingly brutal Simpsons joke is the one in the Treehouse of Horror where Homer accidentally full on murders the president and his opponent by asphyxiation, on screen, naked in the silence of space. It's so gruesome lmao and the little "...oh, no." when he sees it never fails to crack me up.
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The worst tree house of horror sketch is easily the kodos and Kang avatar ripoff. Either that or the one where Homer gets paralyzed by a spider.
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Scudworth posted:The guy who wrote that episode is responsible for some of the worst poo poo eps that occurred while I was still watching it, including the NYC one, the tomacco one, the garbage man one, and the one where Maude dies. And the Marge getting implants one. one of my least favourite Simpo writers. quote:According to the memoir of Jay Mohr, Ian Maxtone-Graham threatened to quit and sue the show during the 1993-1994 season after an altercation with Norm Macdonald. The lawsuit never came to fruition. Now I like Norm even more but Jay Mohr is a dickhead so who knows if that's true or not e: quote:In December, Ian Maxtone-Graham, a self-described anti-smoking zealot, complained about Norm MacDonald’s lighting up in the writers’ room. MacDonald shrugged it off. So Maxtone-Graham extinguished the cigarette by squirting MacDonald in the face with a water pistol. MacDonald punched Maxtone-Graham in the head, knocking him to the floor. Norm Macdonald is the best.
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luncheon meat posted:one of my least favourite Simpo writers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7dLlzUE2JY Now I wonder if this was based on Norm McDonald not putting up with that poo poo. PostNouveau fucked around with this message at 10:47 on Feb 8, 2017 |
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PostNouveau posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7dLlzUE2JY Maxtone-Graham is in the commentary for that episode  Knowing he's been punched in the face by an actual funny person makes me very happy.
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the early treehouse of horror episodes had some of the best gags too, the evil krusty doll sketch is just  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQznz_MJajs
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luncheon meat posted:They definitely didn't here in Australia so we had no loving idea who this Jay Sherman fella was but the episode was still amusing. They did show the Critic on pay tv. I saw it on Austar on the Arena or Comedy channel. This was ages ago when the music channel was called "Red".
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Pocket Billiards posted:They did show the Critic on pay tv. I saw it on Austar on the Arena or Comedy channel. This was ages ago when the music channel was called "Red". That's where I saw it first circa 1999 or so but at the time nobody in our school had foxtel, not even sure it was in WA at the time so it was pretty baffling until I got the scoop from my cousin with the internet
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I was pretty sad when I realized even the Halloween episodes were no longer good. Something about dolphins taking over and Ned running a biblical-themed haunted house that just had... no jokes.
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