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my dad posted:Hey! Come merry dol! derry dol! Sassassin! 
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my dad posted:Hey! Come merry dol! derry dol! Sassassin!  this is art
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Feb 5, 2017 00:05
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elise the great posted:Counterpoint: elves are cool BECAUSE elves are bad. 
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Feb 5, 2017 00:44
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my dad posted:Hey! Come merry dol! derry dol! Sassassin! This is the best thing to ever happen in this forum.
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Feb 5, 2017 05:48
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my dad posted:Hey! Come merry dol! derry dol! Sassassin!
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Feb 5, 2017 07:22
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my dad posted:Hey! Come merry dol! derry dol! Sassassin! :jrrtears:
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Feb 5, 2017 10:20
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The LOTR movies are messy and as a whole vacuous because Jackson & co could never adapt the central thematic pivot of Tolkien's story, which is loss and decline, and instead crammed in spectacle for spectacle's sake. Media/fandom adulation made them cultural monuments.
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Feb 5, 2017 10:23
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I don't think it was a fait accompli, necessarily. LOTR could've easily gone the way of the Star Wars prequels (or the Hobbit trilogy, really). They aren't the greatest movies ever made, but they're about as good as could be reasonably expected I think. It could've been an awful lot worse.
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Feb 5, 2017 10:42
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webmeister posted:They aren't the greatest movies ever made, but they're about as good as could be reasonably expected I think. I'm not such a pessimist that a green cgi ghost tide is the most I believe the world is capable of. Desolation of Smaug is the second best PJ LotR movie.
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Feb 5, 2017 13:10
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I love Jackson's LOTR films for a lot of reasons. They have a lot of great atmosphere, art design, scenery, music, acting - it's hard to imagine Gandalf or Saruman differently now. The Balrog design is tremendous and I can't conceive of it ever being done better; the same goes for the Nazgûl. But there's also a lot in them that painfully doesn't work. Gollum tops my list - it was a great technical achievement but I think both Serkis and the character design missed the mark. I understand they were trying to make him more sympathetic but he didn't have the gravitas he should have. Anyone complaining about a tonal dissonance in the Hobbit movies should get whiplash from the non-original lines used in LOTR vs. Tolkien's writing. I was also disappointed with Treebeard and the Ents turning on a dime when they saw the devastated forest, and with Faramir's reaction to the ring. Galadriel's test might have worked without that stupid voice filter; as single moments go that's probably the most embarrassingly bad one in the trilogy. On balance though, there's a lot more good in them than bad. Every time I watch them, by the time they get to the Grey Havens I'm in tears along with all of the hobbits.
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Feb 6, 2017 05:27
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Galadriel's Mirror scene owned and is a legit fantastic moment. I'll agree it's probably not how a lot of people read that scene, but it's a totally valid interpretation if you come at it from the POV of Frodo seeing a glimpse of what Galadriel wielding the Ring would be like.
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Feb 6, 2017 05:53
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I don't think the CGI of the time was really up for that scene, the way she looks kind of ruins that moment for me. I mean, there are a lot of not great moments, but there's much more good than bad. So many of the actors really just owned their roles. I'm hard pressed to think of any moment where a member of the Fellowship had acting that pulled me out of the moment. (With the exception of 'they're taking the hobbits to Isengard', but I can blame the internet for that.)
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Feb 6, 2017 06:00
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webmeister posted:Galadriel's Mirror scene owned and is a legit fantastic moment. I'll agree it's probably not how a lot of people read that scene, but it's a totally valid interpretation if you come at it from the POV of Frodo seeing a glimpse of what Galadriel wielding the Ring would be like. Everything else about it is alright, it's that drat voice modulation I can't stand. It's just a specific thing that always sounds terrible to me and I don't know why anyone ever uses it.
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Feb 6, 2017 06:05
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it's terrible. it's one of the best scenes in the book and in the film it is offensive to every possible sensibility.
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Feb 6, 2017 06:08
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PMush Perfect posted:I don't think the CGI of the time was really up for that scene, the way she looks kind of ruins that moment for me. It wasn't the technology it was the direction. They layered too many goddam effects over her performance.
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Feb 6, 2017 06:13
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It was a brilliant performance utterly ruined by the effects. Those movies had some very good acting, and PJ should have trusted them more.
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Feb 6, 2017 07:21
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It's much less awful than making Ian McKellen act in an empty green screen room that he hated so much he started crying. That's kind of unforgivable.
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Feb 6, 2017 07:35
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Why were the Hobbit movies filmed in 3D anyways? Apart from it being the gimmick at the time. I can't think of any scene that benefited from being in 3D.
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Feb 6, 2017 11:41
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EvilTaytoMan posted:Why were the Hobbit movies filmed in 3D anyways? To charge $2-3 more per ticket
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Feb 6, 2017 13:10
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It was also shot in that fancy high FPS, which may have made the 3D more of a shoo-in.
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Feb 6, 2017 13:36
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3D was a gimmick back in the 50s meant to compete with TV and it's a gimmick now to compete with the internet. It's not meant to add anything to the film other than novelty and a few dollars to the ticket price.
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Feb 6, 2017 13:47
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Yeah I figured as much. It funny though because I can only remember two scenes where you even notice the 3D, one where it's snowing and another with bees. Seems like they didn't even get that gimmick right.
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Feb 6, 2017 16:22
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HFR was good, though, even if 3D isn't.
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Feb 6, 2017 16:39
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PMush Perfect posted:It's much less awful than making Ian McKellen act in an empty green screen room that he hated so much he started crying. That's kind of unforgivable. Link?
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Feb 6, 2017 16:47
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Ynglaur posted:Link? 
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Feb 6, 2017 20:59
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That is more the idiosyncratic nature of mckellern who was trained in a specific kind of stage acting than green screens being awful. It was specifically awful for him to do that. If you want background listen to Marc marons interview of mckellern .
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Feb 6, 2017 21:03
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euphronius posted:That is more the idiosyncratic nature of mckellern who was trained in a specific kind of stage acting than green screens being awful. It was specifically awful for him to do that.
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Feb 6, 2017 21:10
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PMush Perfect posted:Can't exactly blame him. I hear basically the same thing from anyone who does voice work for a video game, it's so completely different from actual acting because it's just line after line after line with no back-and-forth with the people you'd normally be acting or sharing a recording booth with. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2up8h1tMmck&t=96s Regarding voicework, it's an issue of how industrial the approach is, and what kind of a game it is, though. With a little fun and joy shared among the game creators, you can also have this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQykP9NHJXU
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Feb 6, 2017 21:18
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My goal in life is to have as much fun doing something as Jason Douglas had playing a purple kungfu catman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h48Ru0-RJII
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Feb 6, 2017 21:31
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Having re-watched the LotR movies and the Hobbits, the flaws (poor scriptwriting, lack of direction) show up in the LotR movies but the cast elevates the hell out of the material. Even Liv Tyler who does the best she can with the awful stuff she's given. Theoden's written completely incoherently, but Bernard Hill salvages and elevates the lovely and ill-timed lines he gets.
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Kemper Boyd posted:Having re-watched the LotR movies and the Hobbits, the flaws (poor scriptwriting, lack of direction) show up in the LotR movies but the cast elevates the hell out of the material. Even Liv Tyler who does the best she can with the awful stuff she's given. Theoden's written completely incoherently, but Bernard Hill salvages and elevates the lovely and ill-timed lines he gets. Theoden is a sad, grieving old man who is under the influence of at least one wizard's spell for most of his screentime. Talking incoherently is a feature, not a bug. "I've fought many wars in my time, I know how to defend my own keep" annoys me, though. What wars, Theoden? When he's dying he talks about having earned his place beside his forefathers, his inadequacy issues are kind-of important to his suicidal arc (but not as important as the wizards spells). PMush Perfect posted:I'm hard pressed to think of any moment where a member of the Fellowship had acting that pulled me out of the moment. (With the exception of 'they're taking the hobbits to Isengard', but I can blame the internet for that.) Merry chews his way through most of his lines ("Wh-at wa-as th-at???"), Aragorn's all-over-the-place accent, Legolas talking nonsense during the council.
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Feb 7, 2017 11:52
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Sassassin, did Peter Jackson kill your parents, or something?
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Feb 7, 2017 12:04
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sassassin posted:Theoden is a sad, grieving old man who is under the influence of at least one wizard's spell for most of his screentime. Talking incoherently is a feature, not a bug. I've always liked his "No father should have to bury his son" bit. It's new material that stands with one foot in the legendarium and one foot in other storytelling traditions and other modern movies, and it really somehow ties them together—brings LotR into the world of "mainstream entertainment"—in a way I wasn't expecting.
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Feb 7, 2017 12:53
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PMush Perfect posted:Sassassin, did Peter Jackson kill your parents, or something? No I think they just enjoy talking about the movies.
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Feb 7, 2017 12:55
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SHISHKABOB posted:No I think they just enjoy talking about the movies. A lot of people take any criticism (in the traditional meaning of the term) of media they enjoy personally, and so throw out insults and wild accusations of agendas/bias in return. It's a shame but what can you do? Data Graham posted:I've always liked his "No father should have to bury his son" bit. It's new material that stands with one foot in the legendarium and one foot in other storytelling traditions and other modern movies, and it really somehow ties them together—brings LotR into the world of "mainstream entertainment"—in a way I wasn't expecting. As has been said, Bernard Hill did very well with the material he was given. The line itself isn't anything special, it's elevated by how he delivers it. There aren't many moments in these films where characters feel genuinely human and vulnerable.
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Feb 7, 2017 17:22
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Most of them aren't even human !
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Feb 7, 2017 17:23
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Man I just don't get where this 30,000 year old immortal elf queen is coming from.
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Feb 7, 2017 17:24
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Can we get back to Steve Jackson and whether or not a big budget OGRE trilogy would be true to the source material?
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Feb 7, 2017 17:35
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TildeATH posted:Can we get back to Steve Jackson and whether or not a big budget OGRE trilogy would be true to the source material? I think it would not, but in a way independent of quality.
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euphronius posted:Man I just don't get where this 30,000 year old immortal elf queen is coming from. PJ's elves are nowhere near strange enough, or gay enough (in the way Sam would use the word, not the way it would be used to describe Sam). He cast all these actors-of-a-certain-age with gravitas, has them do low, slow, wooden delivery of lines... where does that even come from? His choice for Gil-Galad is a crime. I thought movie directors loved "casting" pretty teenage boys for parts?
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