Taiwan Number 1

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Honky Dong Country: Feb 11, 2015

JaucheCharly posted:

Yea, that's a piece of poo poo that people like to hand around sometimes.

If you want something really neat, you can look at the trigger mechanisms of Qin crossbows.

This is extremely cool. Would you mind dropping by this thread and telling us more about what you know? https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3809089

I've seen you in the TFR archery thread and it seems like you know your poo poo.

Anyway, I won't distract from the thread anymore, just thought maybe that video would stir up some conversation.

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# ? May 14, 2024 07:23

Meme Poker Party: Sep 1, 2006; by Azathoth

The continuing saga of Chinese hurt feelings over lack of representation in upcoming video game "For Honor".

# ? Feb 8, 2017 04:43

hakimashou: Jul 15, 2002; Upset Trowel

Sheep-Goats posted:

Because he is a dumbshit and also redditor

# ? Feb 8, 2017 04:56

hakimashou: Jul 15, 2002; Upset Trowel

should march all expat redditors out into rice fields if you know what i mean

# ? Feb 8, 2017 04:57

7 RING SHRIMP: Oct 3, 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFT2tOxCSA0

# ? Feb 8, 2017 04:58

hakimashou: Jul 15, 2002; Upset Trowel

I almost wish there were redditors back when I lived in china so I could spread nasty rumors about them to Chinese people.

# ? Feb 8, 2017 05:01

Yorkshire Pudding: Nov 24, 2006

What does he think happened to India and Egypt?

# ? Feb 8, 2017 06:29

WarpedNaba: Feb 8, 2012; Being social makes me swell!

hakimashou posted:

I almost wish there were redditors back when I lived in china so I could spread nasty rumors about them to Chinese people.

Well, the ones with Trust funds are probably in China already, so it'd be a redundant effort.

# ? Feb 8, 2017 06:34

Pirate Radar: Apr 18, 2008; You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
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Yorkshire Pudding posted:

What does he think happened to India and Egypt?

Modern China is the successor state to all dynasties of ancient China, there have been no interruptions, please do not comment as you are not Chinese and you will hurt the feelings of the Chinese people.

# ? Feb 8, 2017 06:52

raton: Jul 28, 2003; by FactsAreUseless

Yorkshire Pudding posted:

What does he think happened to India and Egypt?

They're not the same as Ancient India and Ancient Egypt you see. China on the other hand was always a nominally communist state that was one continuous land from the Gobi to the Sea of Japan and from the northern steppes to the Southeast Asian Sea, and has always been Han, with Manadrin being by far the dominant language and Beijing the capital, 5000 years.

# ? Feb 8, 2017 06:59

Baronjutter: Dec 31, 2007; "Tiny Trains"

Yeah, they'll point out how every ancient civilization has been conquered or subjected to foreign rule or had it's culture subverted by outsiders. Not china, china has had a unified uninterrupted government and culture for 5,000 years. This makes them the most cultured civilization since culture works like "culture points" in Civ4 or something.

# ? Feb 8, 2017 07:00

Deceitful Penguin: Feb 16, 2011

no you see, everyone that took over china became chinese because they are the center of the universe from which flows all civilization, you never hear of Yuan dynasty???

Btw, my dream is that at some point China starts making territorial demands based on the mongol empire

# ? Feb 8, 2017 07:23

Pirate Radar: Apr 18, 2008; You're not my Ruthie!
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Deceitful Penguin posted:

Btw, my dream is that at some point China starts making territorial demands based on the mongol empire

The ROC actually claims that Mongolia is and always has been a rightful part of China.

# ? Feb 8, 2017 07:32

Yorkshire Pudding: Nov 24, 2006

Pirate Radar posted:

The ROC actually claims that Mongolia is and always has been a rightful part of China.

The RoC constitution says Mongolia belongs to China, but in like 2012 they came out and made some comments to the contrary. However, given the messy relations between PRC/RoC nothing every really changed. I think the constitution also claims some parts of Russia.

# ? Feb 8, 2017 07:48

raton: Jul 28, 2003; by FactsAreUseless

Deceitful Penguin posted:

no you see, everyone that took over china became chinese because they are the center of the universe from which flows all civilization, you never hear of Yuan dynasty???

Btw, my dream is that at some point China starts making territorial demands based on the mongol empire

Somewhere in the PRC archives is a yellowed long term plan stating something like "Reclaim sovereignty over Baghdad: 2055"

# ? Feb 8, 2017 08:01

Power Khan: Aug 20, 2011; by Fritz the Horse

Might be feasible, once they master the ballpen research line.

# ? Feb 8, 2017 08:05

Fojar38: Sep 2, 2011; Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia

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Yorkshire Pudding posted:

The RoC constitution says Mongolia belongs to China, but in like 2012 they came out and made some comments to the contrary. However, given the messy relations between PRC/RoC nothing every really changed. I think the constitution also claims some parts of Russia.

They have to claim all that poo poo because to not claim it would be a tacit acknowledgement that they are Not China and that would cause autistic screeching

# ? Feb 8, 2017 08:15

barbecue at the folks: Jul 20, 2007

Fojar38 posted:

They have to claim all that poo poo because to not claim it would be a tacit acknowledgement that they are Not China and that would cause autistic screeching

Yeah, any change to the status quo on Taiwan's part would be a signal to PRC that the ROC has declared de facto independence and Much Face Would Be Lost on both sides of the strait. Also, a desperate dash by the people's army across the strait would probably follow, leading to massive loss of life.

# ? Feb 8, 2017 09:48

mrbotus: Apr 7, 2009; Patron of the Pants

It's gotta be more than face. What benefit would the CCP get from gaining control over Taiwan? Isn't their economy kind of "meh" nowadays?

# ? Feb 8, 2017 10:20

Haier: Aug 10, 2007; by Lowtax

gently caress Mainland customs. Today I learned that a passport is not proper ID if you're foreign. It's the perfect example of no loving logic. They almost didn't let me back in today because "The man in the photo does not have hair, and you have hair." Yeah, no loving poo poo, the photo was taken five years ago.
"Do you have identification? Please say your name slowly." My USA Visa card with my photo on it wasn't enough, so I had to find my resident permit. She was totally skeptical of that too, despite it having a current photo of me, so then she made me use my hands to pull my 15cm hair back from my forehead and hold it while she looked at me for a long time and compared all three photos. I am sure next time my US driver's license (with hair) will still not be enough. I just feel it. The next time I want to go to HK for any purpose I am totally going to get put in a room and interrogated.

Devils Affricate posted:

I'm assuming there are a lot of good things that happen to him that he just doesn't share because they're not as funny as the bad things.

This is exactly it.

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Kharnifex: Sep 11, 2001; The Banter is better in AusGBS

I just said feiiiiii and they let me pass with my old passport

# ? Feb 8, 2017 11:57

LentThem: Aug 31, 2004; 90% Retractible

Haier posted:

gently caress Mainland customs. Today I learned that a passport is not proper ID if you're foreign. It's the perfect example of no loving logic. They almost didn't let me back in today because "The man in the photo does not have hair, and you have hair." Yeah, no loving poo poo, the photo was taken five years ago.
"Do you have identification? Please say your name slowly." My USA Visa card with my photo on it wasn't enough, so I had to find my resident permit. She was totally skeptical of that too, despite it having a current photo of me, so then she made me use my hands to pull my 15cm hair back from my forehead and hold it while she looked at me for a long time and compared all three photos. I am sure next time my US driver's license (with hair) will still not be enough. I just feel it. The next time I want to go to HK for any purpose I am totally going to get put in a room and interrogated.

This is exactly it.

have you considered trying to look whiter?

I actually had the same problem with my passport photo because I lost a ton of weight after I came to China and wasn't eating American poo poo, but work permit photos are always more recent so I take that too when I travel and now everything is fine every time

# ? Feb 8, 2017 12:29

Haier: Aug 10, 2007; by Lowtax

Kharnifex posted:

I just said feiiiiii and they let me pass with my old passport

China is the only place where I have had this happen (I've had suspicious customs agents here before, but not so blatant as today), and any Chinese friend that has seen my passport thinks it is not me for the simple reason of hair length. I guess I have stumped the entire country with this. In the photo I have a buzzed head, typical of Chinese males. In real life right now I have regular hair that is parted in a style. As far as I know, I still have the same face as before.

Does anyone know if customs agents can make notes on your profile? Like, do they have box they can check that says "Hassle this person next time they come through"? I went to HK today to look at buying a new laptop (before settling for Chinese New Egg), and I wonder if they can actually not allow me to come back into China if they are so drat concerned about a few inches of hair. When people get deported, I heard they give them like 24 hours to pack their stuff and go. I wonder if they wouldn't even let me back in and my poor boss would have to pack my entire house up for me (oh god, that box of condoms and lube..)

# ? Feb 8, 2017 12:31

mrbotus: Apr 7, 2009; Patron of the Pants

Haier posted:

China is the only place where I have had this happen (I've had suspicious customs agents here before, but not so blatant as today), and any Chinese friend that has seen my passport thinks it is not me for the simple reason of hair length. I guess I have stumped the entire country with this. In the photo I have a buzzed head, typical of Chinese males. In real life right now I have regular hair that is parted in a style. As far as I know, I still have the same face as before.

Don't you know? All you white boys look the same.

# ? Feb 8, 2017 14:50

Power Khan: Aug 20, 2011; by Fritz the Horse

Haier posted:

China is the only place where I have had this happen (I've had suspicious customs agents here before, but not so blatant as today), and any Chinese friend that has seen my passport thinks it is not me for the simple reason of hair length. I guess I have stumped the entire country with this. In the photo I have a buzzed head, typical of Chinese males. In real life right now I have regular hair that is parted in a style. As far as I know, I still have the same face as before.

Does anyone know if customs agents can make notes on your profile? Like, do they have box they can check that says "Hassle this person next time they come through"? I went to HK today to look at buying a new laptop (before settling for Chinese New Egg), and I wonder if they can actually not allow me to come back into China if they are so drat concerned about a few inches of hair. When people get deported, I heard they give them like 24 hours to pack their stuff and go. I wonder if they wouldn't even let me back in and my poor boss would have to pack my entire house up for me (oh god, that box of condoms and lube..)

That means you could commit a heinious crime and then have a haircut and a fake moustache and you're suddenly invisible and everybody wonders where you went?

# ? Feb 8, 2017 16:09

BCR: Jan 23, 2011

Yes.

I met a Chinese man who went to Switzerland for a conference and got his wallet stolen. After being giving a book with photos of minor wanted criminals to look through at the police station, he said he couldn't identify the person because 'all the people look the same'

#waiguorenarenotzhongguoren

# ? Feb 8, 2017 17:06

Blue Star Error: Jun 11, 2001; For this recipie you will need:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vINkysxHwo

China exploded again

# ? Feb 8, 2017 18:45

value-brand cereal: May 2, 2008

World war three starting out spectacularly underwhelming

# ? Feb 8, 2017 18:49

raton: Jul 28, 2003; by FactsAreUseless

BCR posted:

Yes.

I met a Chinese man who went to Switzerland for a conference and got his wallet stolen. After being giving a book with photos of minor wanted criminals to look through at the police station, he said he couldn't identify the person because 'all the people look the same'

#waiguorenarenotzhongguoren

Were they all pudgy 35 year old Chinamen with blob nose and buzzed hair

I bet they were

# ? Feb 8, 2017 18:50

big time bisexual: Oct 16, 2002; Cool Party

cool drone footage of recently scuttled shipyards on the yangtze

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D07DvrP9DXo

# ? Feb 8, 2017 21:17

big time bisexual: Oct 16, 2002; Cool Party

so much face lost :silent:

# ? Feb 8, 2017 21:22

Kaiju Cage Match: Nov 5, 2012

The Chinese factory that made Note 7 batteries caught on fire sort of.

# ? Feb 8, 2017 21:23

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

quote:

Medical journal to retract paper after concerns organs came from executed prisoners

Study published in Liver International examined the outcomes of 564 transplantations at Zhejiang University�s First Affiliated hospital in China

A prestigious medical journal will retract a scientific paper from Chinese surgeons about liver transplantation after serious concerns were raised that the organs used in the study had come from executed prisoners of conscience.

The study was published last year in Liver International. It examined the outcomes of 564 liver transplantations performed consecutively at Zhejiang University�s First Affiliated hospital between April 2010 and October 2014.

According to the study authors, �all organs were procured from donors after cardiac death and no allografts [organs and tissue] obtained from executed prisoners were used�.

Huang Jiefu, in charge of overhauling the Chinese transplant network, angers rights activists as Vatican trafficking talks begin

But Wendy Rogers, a professor of clinical ethics at Macquarie University in Sydney, said it was impossible for one hospital to have obtained so many useable livers in a four-year period from cardiac deaths alone.

Donors after cardiac death, or �DCD donors�, are those people with injuries so severe that it is futile to keep them alive, even though they are not braindead. A decision is made by doctors and family members to withdraw care, leading to cardiac death.

But livers from these patients are only viable for transplantation in a third of cases, because the time it takes to die once drugs and ventilation are withdrawn varies and can jeopardise the quality of the liver.

Livers are extremely sensitive and need to be removed quickly, and are often unsuitable for transplantation by the time the patient dies.

In a letter to Liver International�s editor, Prof Mario Mondelli, Rogers wrote that this was one of the reasons the numbers in the Chinese paper did not stack up. She called on him to retract the paper.

�International programs report relatively low rates of procurement of livers from DCD donors,� she wrote. �In the USA, rates of liver transplant from DCD donors in the years 2012-14 were 32%, 28% and 27% respectively. If retrieval rates are similar in China, this would require 1,880 DCD donors, assuming a retrieval rate of 30%, to transplant the 564 livers reported in this paper.

Huang Jiefu�s inclusion at summit risks conferring legitimacy on Beijing�s transplantation programme, say critics

�Given that there were only 2,326 reported voluntary donations in the whole of China during 2011�2014, it is implausible that this small pool could have resulted in 564 livers successfully retrieved � unless the surgeons there had exclusive access to at least 80% of all voluntary donors across the whole of China in this period.�

Rogers told the Guardian that China also lacked a coordinated nationwide system of transporting organs within the time frame required for successful liver transplantations.

The only plausible explanation was that the livers were coming from executed prisoners, she said. These were not just prisoners sentenced to death but people jailed for beliefs outlawed by the Chinese government, including Falun Gong practitioners. There is comprehensive evidence that prisoners of conscience are being killed on demand for their organs in China, with profits going to the government and military.

Mondelli told the Guardian: �The authors� institution was given until last Friday 3 February to provide evidence against allegations supported by data that organ procurement for liver transplantation was not from executed prisoners. However, there was no answer.�

Mondelli will issue a formal retraction notice and a full transcript of his interactions with the surgeons in the journal�s next edition, along with the letter from Rogers.

A report published last year found a large discrepancy between official transplant figures from the Chinese government and the number of transplants reported by hospitals. While the government says 10,000 transplants occur each year, hospital data shows between 60,000 to 100,000 organs are transplanted each year. The report provides evidence that this gap is being made up by executed prisoners of conscience.

In July the European parliament passed a declaration condemning organ harvesting from prisoners of conscience and called on Chinese officials to end it.

In an editorial published in the British Medical Journal on Tuesday, Rogers wrote that while China vowed to stop using organs from executed prisoners in 2015, no new law or regulation had been passed banning the practice. �Nor have existing regulations permitting the use of prisoners� organs been rescinded,� she wrote.

�Prisoners remain a legal source of organs if they are deemed to have consented before execution, thus permitting ongoing retrieval of organs from prisoners executed with or without due process.�

The transplant registries were not open to public scrutiny or independent verification, she said, and an �inexplicably high� volumes of transplantation continued to take place in China.

A former surgeon from the western Chinese region of Xinjiang, Enver Tothi, was instructed in 1995 to operate on a political prisoner who had just been shot. The prisoner was unconscious but not yet dead but Tothi was ordered to remove his organs regardless, without the use of anesthesia.

Tothi says that, technically, it was he and not the gunshot that killed the prisoner. He left China in 1999 and was granted political asylum in Britain but said that being a part of the system of killing political prisoners still haunted him. He is unable to return to China for fear of repercussions for speaking out about organ donation.

�I was ordered to do it, but guilt haunted me for a long time,� Tothi told the Guardian. �It is duty of the humanity to stop this tragedy getting worse.�

He called on people to stop travelling to China and buying organ transplants. Today he lobbies around the world for an end to organ harvesting.

Last year Rogers and her colleagues called for the retraction of another paper on Chinese organ donation published in the Journal of Medical Ethics. Rogers said the paper presented a sanitised account of organ procurement in China and failed to highlight that many organs were being harvested from prisoners of conscience. The journal subsequently published a lengthy correction.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/09/medical-journal-to-retract-paper-over-concerns-organs-came-from-executed-prisoners

# ? Feb 9, 2017 02:00

Blistex: Oct 30, 2003; Macho Business
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Also most Chinese people would rather die than donate organs, so the only way to get that many is from people have have not given their consent. Chinese people in Ontario actually drag the rates of organ donation down considerably.

http://tvo.org/article/current-affairs/shared-values/why-gta-cities-drag-down-ontarios-organ-donation-rates-

# ? Feb 9, 2017 04:28

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nickmeister posted:

It's gotta be more than face. What benefit would the CCP get from gaining control over Taiwan? Isn't their economy kind of "meh" nowadays?

Even if it wasn't, a war would destroy the productivity it seeks to capture. From a practical standpoint the CCP doesn't really gain anything from invading, if they ever do it will be purely for pride.

MagicBoots fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Feb 9, 2017

# ? Feb 9, 2017 04:47

Mr-Spain: Aug 27, 2003; Bullshit... you can be mine.

Blistex posted:

Also most Chinese people would rather die than donate organs, so the only way to get that many is from people have have not given their consent. Chinese people in Ontario actually drag the rates of organ donation down considerably.

http://tvo.org/article/current-affairs/shared-values/why-gta-cities-drag-down-ontarios-organ-donation-rates-

Weird choice of words there.

# ? Feb 9, 2017 04:58

Speleothing: May 6, 2008; Spare batteries are pretty key.

Blistex posted:

Also most Chinese people would rather die than donate organs, so the only way to get that many is from people have have not given their consent. Chinese people in Ontario actually drag the rates of organ donation down considerably.

http://tvo.org/article/current-affairs/shared-values/why-gta-cities-drag-down-ontarios-organ-donation-rates-

Donate organs? Like a criminal?

# ? Feb 9, 2017 05:07

Baronjutter: Dec 31, 2007; "Tiny Trains"

Organ donation should be opt out instead of opt in. Or, you don't get organs unless you're a donor.

Baronjutter fucked around with this message at 07:35 on Feb 9, 2017

# ? Feb 9, 2017 07:33

Blistex: Oct 30, 2003; Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Mr-Spain posted:

Weird choice of words there.

Chinese public opinion is very much against the idea of organ donation. Saying that you wish to donate organs is akin to asking for something bad to happen to you. Most of it comes down to superstition, but also a lot of "why should I help a stranger?" mentality factors into it as well. Last but not least, is the "squeamishness" that is pretty prevalent world-wide when talking about organ donations.

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Fojar38: Sep 2, 2011; Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia

also here's a stupid take
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I will admit that the thought of my non-penis organs inside someone else feels really weird

# ? Feb 9, 2017 07:42

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